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2 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2011 - 7:34PM
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Not sure how to abuse Tariel yet. I guess exiling a player's graveyard and then destroying their Titan/Wurmcoil/other-nasty works as well for some thievary. Woo!
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2 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2011 - 7:44PM
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Grow up. Um, I mean, don't worry, the connection between the -el or -iel suffix and divine beings has long since entered the secular vocabulary in day-to-day use.
All well and good. Except: so has "wrath of god". So your, and WotC's, arguments remain full of holes. (And btw, I *did* point out I was being a very ranty Vorthos right then. You've no need to get catty when I've already stolen your thunder. :P)
If WotC wanted to justify cutting WoG by saying "we feel our customers would be happier with DoJ" or "we got sick of printing it" or even "we rolled a d10 and had to cut a card with ten letters in its name", those would all have been reasons, too. But they didn't choose those reasons. They chose to state the reason that "Wrath of God" tied the game too closely to the real world, and especially to real world religions.
Well, gander: meet sauce.
With the possible exception of Michael, I'm pretty sure the best-known fictional, angel-like character with a name like that is Kal-El. (And that character was created by Jewish writers itself, of course.) Now that you mention it, I'm kind of surprised this hasn't come up before, since almost all Angels in Magic: the Gathering seem to be female.
I think more people are familiar with fictional angels Gabriel, Raphael, and Lucifer than with Kal-El as well. (Talking world population now... I could be wrong when it comes to MtG's target audience! ^_^) As for the female angel thing, I think it's partially in homage to Serra Angel and partially in homage to the average MtG player's sexual preferences. If MtG was as thoroughly female dominated as it is (in real life) male dominated a game, I bet most of our angels would look like this. :P
I hope developers keep this kind of thing in mind just in case, but I doubt this card would cause this problem 99 times out of a hundred. How often does anyone play with Krovikan Horror these days?
LOL. Well, apropos to this discussion, my Karador deck will be running Krovikan Horror AND Nether Shadow  . ^_^
Wow, looks like I'm the only one here that actually loves the art. Yes, it's cheesy, yes, it's busy, but it's absolutely bad-ass in every imaginable fashion. The raven feathers of the wings, the red blindfold, the spiked armour, the skulls dangling on chains and the axe... Fantastic design.
As for the article - I really appreciate the inside look at the physical process of cardmaking. It's just great to know how the whole thing looks in reality and how much work is done by how many people to bring us the cards. I'll be forever linking to this article to all the ignorants that say that printing a Magic card costs 2 cents, so WotC is basically printing money.
Glad for you that you enjoy it - I'm not saying it's bad art! I *love* Wayne Reynolds. I just feel it's bad art at 1.5x2 inches. >_<;
And it's the first copy of a card that costs them thousands in labor hours to develop. All the other copies of that card, those are the 2 cent ones. :P
i feel bad for the people who work there. i bet the whole factory smells like a freshly opened pack of cards and they are now thoroughly used to (and possibly sick of!) it by now. i can think of no sadder fate than to lose the olfactory delight in opening packs.
It's the second best smell in the world.  The very best smell, of course, is the ink of a brand new book.
(Fresh-baking cookies beat new-car by miles and miles for #3. :P)
Whoever does the German translations needs a serious whacking. Epic fail again.
Really? how so? *curious*
I doubt anyone got fired over a goof that minor. Anyone can figure out Walking Atlas is an artifact; if it had been printed with the wrong card frame or with wrong rules text, THAT might have justified disciplinary action, but a goof like this is not much worse than forgetting to type the ^ over El-Hajjaj's name (they did something similar on some other card but I forget which one it was so I'm going with the one I can remember). Heck, even "rathi Berserker" was a worse goof than this.
Well, then, what standards ARE there? We're not talking about the Ernham Djinn where one of them every 500 sheets had a blue border or some such. Every single Walking Atlas ever printed was printed wrong! IIRC WotC had to post an Arcana update just to explain the gaffe and publicize the oracle errata. That sort of mistake is embarrassing and makes the company look incompetent. The only thing I can think of that would be *worse* than this would be if they screwed up the card *backs* somehow, because that would destroy one of the fundamental underpinnings of the game from a gameplay perspective.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2011 - 8:02PM
#33
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Grow up. Um, I mean, don't worry, the connection between the -el or -iel suffix and divine beings has long since entered the secular vocabulary in day-to-day use.
All well and good. Except: so has "wrath of god". So your, and WotC's, arguments remain full of holes. (And btw, I *did* point out I was being a very ranty Vorthos right then. You've no need to get catty when I've already stolen your thunder. :P)
If WotC wanted to justify cutting WoG by saying "we feel our customers would be happier with DoJ" or "we got sick of printing it" or even "we rolled a d10 and had to cut a card with ten letters in its name", those would all have been reasons, too. But they didn't choose those reasons. They chose to state the reason that "Wrath of God" tied the game too closely to the real world, and especially to real world religions.
Did they actually state this anywhere? I though DoJ replaced Wrath because they didn't want to keep the no regen clause (much like Doom Blade blade replacing Terror), because they wanted to back off from regeneration a bit (too complex for new players) and since regen would be less common, it could be made more powerful by not having the main removal cards automatically beat it.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 06, 2011 - 8:57PM
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Favorite spoiled general yet. She has the greastest art ever, and the flavor text is for the win. I think her ability isnt as good as sheoldred. Tariel also has dem titties.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 1:04AM
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Whoever does the German translations needs a serious whacking. Epic fail again.
Really? how so? *curious*
In this case they used a word ("Abwäger") that does neither really exist nor reflect the flavor of the original. If you translate it back to English you would get something like "weigher of souls". (Yes, it's that awful.)
German product translations have always been a pet peeve of mine. They are the main reason I would never go to a paper prerelease, and rather play online exclusively.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 11:46AM
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- Under your GLEEMAX!GLEEMAX!GLEEMAX!GLEEMAX!
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Am I the only one taken by the art? Generally I'm not a fan of Wayne Reynold's blocky style, but this card is a beauty in color and form. Very abstract.
Pity her card is so terrible.
You'll forget you ever read this the minute you look away. Veslfen's House of Bone-Dry Sarcasm
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there is nothing "epic" about a turn one victory. ever.
or really any magic game, for that matter.
So this one time, I wanted to play a game of Magic with my friend, but he was in another country and neither of us had Magic Online. I hitchhiked my way to the coast, barely fending off hungry wildlife when I couldn't get a ride, nearly dying of thirst crossing deserts, and posoning myself half to death foraging for food. At one point, I was taken hostage by a group of kidnappers, only managing to escape after a week of careful planning thanks to careful application of a rusty spoon.
Once I reached the coast, I had no money to buy a ticket across the ocean, so I built a boat using my own two hands, and spent months sailing across the waves, nearly losing my deck as I swam to the shore of a desert island in a storm after being capsized by an enormous wave. Nearly delusional after so long with no human contact (the notches I cut in the single tree to tell time had long since felled the thing) I was eventually rescued by a passing ship, where I was taken aboard as a crew member.
We sailed around the world, seeing many exotic places and having great adventures, before we finally arrived at my friend's country. Once more I stumbled across a desolate landscape, riding on train or car when I could, and going on foot when I could not. Eventually, weary to the bone, seven years after I started my journey, I arrived at my friend's house, clutching my well-worn and weathered deck to my chest. We shuffled up our decks, I won the roll. Gleefully, I laid down my cards.
Black Lotus  . My friend looked quizzically at me, wondering what I was about to do. After so long, he no longer knew what deck I had brought with me to this game.
Flash  . A knowing smile appears on my friend's face as the knowledge slowly returns to him.
Protean Hulk  .
My friend extends his hand, knowing the game is over before it even started. And finally, after so many trials, the sweet taste of victory is mine.
So no one else is upset with the stunt Wizards just pulled to drive sales?
Drive sales of what? Non-Jace, non-Mystic cards? I'm pretty sure people already own more than eight Magic cards. If you don't, I feel for you. Maybe you can trade those Stoneforge Mystics, which are still quite valuable, for some.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 8:32PM
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ProfN, here I was thinking all angels are asexual, but looked it up after reading your post and found that while they are considered asexual all their names are masculine. I learned something today. Also, Mana Enema would be the best selling Magic set of all time. I imagine it would have to be the story of how Nicol Bolas finally gets his comeuppance. Assuming dragons are biologically equipped as such. Do I smell a Savor the Flavor column in that?
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2 years ago ::
Jun 07, 2011 - 9:07PM
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Did you know that the leader of the Decepticons was actually an angel? Yep, he changed one letter of his name in order to lead a group of living machines against mankind, and ended up fooling an entire population of barely sentient primates.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2011 - 2:30PM
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Great article. We see articles about the design part, or the development part. Rarely about editorial requirements and balance. The story of a card from Idea to Printed Product is great. I just wish there were dates shown (or at least dates on the pictures) to show a sense of temporal scale. The card is available Jun 17 2011 for people to play. When was that card blank scribbled on? When was that Dev "Shariel" version printed and editied with a pen? Dates would give us an idea of the length of the process as a whole and a sense of scale for how long each part of the process takes. As for the card. Tariel seems to be a fun, casual card. The randomness might make her non-tournament worthy but I don't think that's the point of the format or these pre-cons. It is to have fun, and this card looks like she will be fun to play without being as annoying as, say a legendary version of Puppeteer Clique  , would have been. Targeting the opponent means you will see less Withered Wretch  type silliness where they just remove the target of the reanimation, they won't know what creature is coming back until the ability resolves and once it resolves, it's too late. Although, if you fear Tariel being used against you, Elixir of Immortality  just got alot better. I mostly like the art, the blockiness doesn't bother me - but at card print sizes, all the armor becomes one large red chunk, so the best features of the art are lost at size, IMO. V/R HK
V/R
HK
"Treamayne"
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2 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2011 - 9:39AM
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Great article. We see articles about the design part, or the development part. Rarely about editorial requirements and balance. The story of a card from Idea to Printed Product is great. I just wish there were dates shown (or at least dates on the pictures) to show a sense of temporal scale. The card is available Jun 17 2011 for people to play. When was that card blank scribbled on? When was that Dev "Shariel" version printed and editied with a pen? Dates would give us an idea of the length of the process as a whole and a sense of scale for how long each part of the process takes.
V/R
HK
Agreed, would love to see a "diary of a set" article one day. Though I'm sure they'd come up with some part of the process deemed too "top secret" to be let known, and that would sink the whole point of the article to have it left out.
Am I the only one taken by the art? Generally I'm not a fan of Wayne Reynold's blocky style, but this card is a beauty in color and form. Very abstract.
Pity her card is so terrible.
I mostly like the art, the blockiness doesn't bother me - but at card print sizes, all the armor becomes one large red chunk, so the best features of the art are lost at size, IMO.
V/R
HK
Agreed, I have it as my computer desktop wallpaper and it looks much better, though the body position is still a little odd (her head looks like it was added as an afterthought after the artist was done drawing her breasts).
Did you know that the leader of the Decepticons was actually an angel? Yep, he changed one letter of his name in order to lead a group of living machines against mankind, and ended up fooling an entire population of barely sentient primates.
My religious instruction is such that I wouldn't know that if I hadn't watched Dogma.
ProfN, here I was thinking all angels are asexual, but looked it up after reading your post and found that while they are considered asexual all their names are masculine. I learned something today.
Tariel has a giant "V" over her crotch. I think that's self-explanatory.
Also, Mana Enema would be the best selling Magic set of all time. I imagine it would have to be the story of how Nicol Bolas finally gets his comeuppance. Assuming dragons are biologically equipped as such. Do I smell a Savor the Flavor column in that?
I don't want to smell nor Savor that particular Flavor whatsoever, no thank you.
Whoever does the German translations needs a serious whacking. Epic fail again.
Really? how so? *curious*
In this case they used a word ("Abwäger") that does neither really exist nor reflect the flavor of the original. If you translate it back to English you would get something like "weigher of souls". (Yes, it's that awful.)
German product translations have always been a pet peeve of mine. They are the main reason I would never go to a paper prerelease, and rather play online exclusively.
Again, not having much theological training, I may be missing something, but isn't there some old religious thing about the weight of one's soul determing your salvation status or something? Maybe it's not as bad of a translation as you think.
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