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2 years ago ::
May 31, 2011 - 5:23PM
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Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago ::
May 31, 2011 - 10:28PM
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I've only taken this for a spin in the casual room so far, so I don't know what kind of game it has against the "real" decks, but so far it's been pretty successful. Neurok Commando has been the MVP in my experience.
Also, if anyone has any idea as to why one would run two each of Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse as opposed to four of one or the other, I would love to hear it.
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2 years ago ::
May 31, 2011 - 10:50PM
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Oct 27, 2007
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Highly unlikely pro: In the rare event someone tries to surgical extraction it.
Con: None.
It's not much, but meh.
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2 years ago ::
May 31, 2011 - 11:30PM
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Date Joined:
May 28, 2009
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Well I'm not much of a competitive player but concerning Batterskull  : how about running some bounce in the sideboard? you could bounce the germ token and then try and keep the board clear of creatures to equip the Batterskull on with your burn/counter spells and it might also work against Splinter Twin  by using it on the Deceiver Exarch  with Splinter Twin still on the stack? (although I don't know if that is viable against them since I don't know the rest of their list)
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2 years ago ::
May 31, 2011 - 11:50PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 17, 2005
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Also, if anyone has any idea as to why one would run two each of Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse as opposed to four of one or the other, I would love to hear it.
Probably because the original deck, the starting point, had three and two. So when he decided to trim one, it dropped to two and two. To change to 4 and 0 would be more work.
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2 years ago ::
May 31, 2011 - 11:52PM
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Oct 19, 2007
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It's a nice attempt, but making a budget deck that loses to batterskull  seems akin to admitting that budget decks can't compete in this metagame. Jace  and stoneforge  are simply too powerful and versatile to overcome without playing the best cards youself.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2011 - 12:14AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 17, 2005
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It's a nice attempt, but making a budget deck that loses to batterskull seems akin to admitting that budget decks can't compete in this metagame. Jace and stoneforge are simply too powerful and versatile to overcome without playing the best cards youself.
Jace is rough, especially if your opponent can protect them. Repeated card draw that is that easy to do has always caused problems.
For the equipment, it wasn't really the equipment that hosed him, but the black targeted discard. He had answers, just wasn't allowed to keep them. Those cards are a real pain, as it means when you have an outlier threat, the type of thing you normally wouldn't carry many answers for, it becomes really hard to deal with that threat, even post board. You'll only have a few answers and they get ripped. Though I do think the deck would benefit from having access to more vandals, either mainboard or sideboard.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2011 - 12:34AM
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Jul 10, 2008
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The plan of burning every stoneforge on sight (to "delay batterskull" as he said) is fundamentally flawed. Best case scenario: you kill stoneforge, they can't play their equipment until a few turns later. Worst case: they discard/counter your removal spell, or you don't draw it, or they draw a second stoneforge, and you instantly lose.
Batterskull is too absurd to even attempt beating it with budget cards, unfortunately.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2011 - 6:03AM
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Jun 28, 2010
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I think that the black discard didn't help, but it was spellskite that really messed him up and prevented him from doing anything effective.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2011 - 6:26AM
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It was probably both. Batterskull/Jace/Squadron Hawk/Mystic all form a very effective offensive force. Spellskite and Black discard both ensured that this offensive beating was not disrupted. JVLs UR deck looks like it can beat most simple, creature based, decks with all the draw and burn but probably cannot beat anything else really....neither combo or control. How many creature based decks are there in the format? Maybe 1/3 at most. Yeah...this doesn't seem to be a realistic way to win.
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