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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 5:52PM
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Date Joined:
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Feature Article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 9:36PM
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Date Joined:
May 18, 2002
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So are "public" and "private" codified now? Had it already been?
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 9:49PM
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Thank you for fixing Winter Orb and Master of Arms. I am pleased to see that someone is willing to get his hands dirty and undo some well-meaning, but ultimately misguided errata. I just got called into some work so I cannot read the rest of this. But man...keep doing this and you will eventually get to all of it 
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 9:52PM
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Date Joined:
May 18, 2002
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I fail to see the significance in mana symbols being in the "wrong" order.
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 10:24PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 16, 2009
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New Revelation wording
Players play with their hands revealed. New Wandering Eye wording
Flying
Players play with the top card of their libraries revealed. This is not a non-functional change—the cards have swapped abilities!
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 10:31PM
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Date Joined:
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Thumbs down for the Winter Orb ruling. Does this remove the option to reprint it with the "if untapped" clause? I still play the card for the tap interaction in a colorless EDH deck, and while that format allows for some flexibility with house rules, I would hope that there are some other fans out there that could have pulled for a judge promo instead of singling this card out from Static Orb, Howling Mine, Storage Matrix and the like.
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 10:38PM
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Date Joined:
May 18, 2002
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Does this remove the option to reprint it with the "if untapped" clause?
Not if whoever authorized the changes on Flying Carpet  and Castle  (presumably Rosewater) is still in charge.
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 11:08PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2006
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Thumbs down for the Winter Orb ruling. Does this remove the option to reprint it with the "if untapped" clause? I still play the card for the tap interaction in a colorless EDH deck, and while that format allows for some flexibility with house rules, I would hope that there are some other fans out there that could have pulled for a judge promo instead of singling this card out from Static Orb, Howling Mine, Storage Matrix and the like.
The errata never should have happened in the first place. It was an olive branch to get ahead of players angry about the Sixth Edition changes. If there is no printed version of the card whatsoever with the "if untapped" text, then there is no reason for the ruling to exist. You can't keep holding the door open just in case such a card would get printed again - especially considering how unlikely it is we'll ever see the Orb again outside of an FTV.
Sometimes rules change and make cards suck. We could write a long list of cards every bit as "deserving" of the special treatment Winter Orb got that never were even considered.
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 11:27PM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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Yay for updates. And it's an honor to (again) be mentioned! It's great to see so many of the things I've reported getting fixed. I've already found several more issues, which I'll be reporting for next update. I fail to see the significance in mana symbols being in the "wrong" order.
One of the basic principles is that if cards work the same way, they should be worded the same way. This has a certain aesthetic appeal, it makes it easier to recognize identical abilities, and it makes it easier to search for cards with a certain ability. This is where a lot of the nonfunctional changes come from.
In Magic, there's a certain order in which colors are always presented: always go clockwise with the fewest skips, shared enemy first for "wedges", WUBRG for five colors. This order is always used, for mana costs, activation costs, references to multiple mana symbols, references to multiple colors, and references to multiple basic land types, and even for hybrid symbols. There were quite a few cases where this order wasn't followed (either because they didn't yet pay any attention to the order, or because they were using the "always WUBRG order" system at the time), but almost all of those have been fixed now, and the Skyshroud Forest  is one of the last.
In short, since all other cards say "Add  or  to your mana pool.", so should Skyshroud Forest .
(There's one problem card for this: Sword of Fire and Ice  . The correct order is normally "protection from blue and from red", but it's currently in the order that matches the name ("protection from red (fire) and from blue (ice)". I think that's the only case where the order doesn't have an effect on the function but where having an inconsistent order is "correct" in some sense.)
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2 years ago ::
May 03, 2011 - 11:34PM
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May 18, 2002
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and it makes it easier to search for cards with a certain ability
That's actually a damn good reason.
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