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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 7:39PM
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overall you guys just don't get it, jace IS broken. it is enough to rn around in VINTAGE!!! and since that is where old really really powqerful caqrds go to die, typically if you can get away with playing something there of 4 cost, then yu know it has to be THAT awesome to be worth it. I know for a fact that people rarely even play 3 costing things in eternal formats because it isn't worth it, so why is it that jace is???? if it was ANY other card, it would normally be to expensive for what it does, however this is basically going out of the way to play a card that costs more. why do you ask: IT IS BECAUSE IT IS SO GOOD IT ACTUALLY IS WORTH WARPING TO FORMAT TO FIT IT IN!!!
now if jace is easily on par with all of the stuff in eternal formats, then it is DEFINITELY way strong in this one, because it is powerful enough to put up a very very good fight against the best cards EVER MADE!
Finally all anwsers to jace suck, end of discussion. the ONLY reason why black is even being played now is because of vampire hexmage, which is probably the best anwser to jace, as well as it kills titans off, with kill spells and the like. if jace gets reprinted in m12 then you may as well completely kiss goodbye to one of the colors of magic, because of the fact that the main reason why black is even being played is gone with nothing to replace that reason in that color.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 7:46PM
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I'm unsubscribing from this thread. Honestly, everyone here should go out and play some standard. There is a seriously overappreciation for Jace's power here and I think people are avoiding playing and getting better in fear of it. The idea that the only reason black is playable is because Hexmage beats Jace is totally ridiculous, for example. Take a deck without Jace and practice it until you're at PTQ grinder level and you'll appreciate just how beatable Jace is. Or on the flip side, play a deck with 4 Jace against high level players and you'll see the same thing. He's good, but you don't scoop when resolves, and if you do because you think you have no outs, you are bad at Magic: The Gathering.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 7:53PM
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Jace revolves the meta around him. If the recent T8s hasn't shown it yet, I don't know what will. A deck designed to use Jace to beat Kut and another that uses Cobra to use a better Jace are the best decks.
There's no other card in the format that is: Win condition on its own right, card advantage, card quality AND tempo. That's just too much going on for one card that's as cheap as Jace.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 7:56PM
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overall you guys just don't get it, jace IS broken. it is enough to rn around in VINTAGE!!! and since that is where old really really powqerful caqrds go to die, typically if you can get away with playing something there of 4 cost, then yu know it has to be THAT awesome to be worth it. I know for a fact that people rarely even play 3 costing things in eternal formats because it isn't worth it, so why is it that jace is???? if it was ANY other card, it would normally be to expensive for what it does, however this is basically going out of the way to play a card that costs more. why do you ask: IT IS BECAUSE IT IS SO GOOD IT ACTUALLY IS WORTH WARPING TO FORMAT TO FIT IT IN!!!
now if jace is easily on par with all of the stuff in eternal formats, then it is DEFINITELY way strong in this one, because it is powerful enough to put up a very very good fight against the best cards EVER MADE!
Finally all anwsers to jace suck, end of discussion. the ONLY reason why black is even being played now is because of vampire hexmage, which is probably the best anwser to jace, as well as it kills titans off, with kill spells and the like. if jace gets reprinted in m12 then you may as well completely kiss goodbye to one of the colors of magic, because of the fact that the main reason why black is even being played is gone with nothing to replace that reason in that color.
I feel like there is an awful lot of hyperbole and malice in this post. My local store has three people that run JTMS and our local meta has adapted to defeat him. Two players now run kred/goblins, two run mbc. Both put up decent fights against him/crush him outright. Bad players will lose consistently to Jace because they don't bother to adapt/don't care enough/let the wow factor overwhelm them. Personally I've lost to him several times and yes, if he sticks and gets rolling he becomes a serious train...but there are legitimate resources available to defeat him, even if you feel the need to downplay their power.
Is he warping the current format? Yeah, kinda, maybe, perhaps. Is it as bad as skullclamp was? Absolutely not...I was at states/regionals(not sure which it was) during the hayday of skullclamp...you either played affinity rav or tooth and nail and both had sets of skullclamp. Our standard atm is nowhere near as narrow. And I'm gonna agree with Burning Forest, I'm getting sick of MaRo, can we replace him with someone with a clue already? The man makes me sigh. /end
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 8:03PM
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the ONLY reason why black is even being played now is because of vampire hexmage.
This is just blatantly wrong.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 9:28PM
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 10:29PM
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My reaction to this topic and the posts replying to it:
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Couldn't have put it better. Too many people equate absolute statements and emotional responses with being a constructive comment. Do people really think random strangers on the internet care about your emotional reaction to whether or not Jace gets banned?
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So here's the bottom line - the banning is being discussed, but we've already been spoiled some potential answers that are hitting constructed play in less than a month. The only relevant question left is this - Does leaving jace unbanned for a month have the potential to cause a mass exodus of players from competitive standard tournaments? The answer is likely no.
With that said, I'm going to be closely watching the results of the first major tourneys after NPH is released, as I'm sure R&D will be as well.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 10:50PM
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Yeah let's turn off the fire alarms, people. I said it was being discussed and thought it would be interesting to discuss the impact on the metagame. Let's lay off the raging about Jace or about R&D. In all likelihood, they're willing to let him sit for a month, if for no other reason than to avoid a major shake up immediately before regionals.
My gut says enough answers will be in NPH to make Jace easily able to be hated from the sideboard or just give us a strategy capable of going over the top.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 10:52PM
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Do people really think random strangers on the internet care about your emotional reaction to whether or not Jace gets banned?
Of course they do. Obviously. Its one of the fundamantal assumptions of the internet.
But mostly, don't encourage him.
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This whole thing is like a rumor that is sure to incite extreme responses in Magic players... being spread by Magic's head designer.
There are better ways to test the waters. I'm still looking for a way that it makes good sense.
Are you sure you want to go down this road?
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2 years ago ::
Apr 11, 2011 - 11:44PM
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Something else to consider:
Skullclamp was an uncommon. A very good uncommon, but I don't think it ever got above 5$ when it was in standard. People shell out almost 400$ for playsets of Jaces, you have to tread a little more carefully when you have a large ammount of pretty serious investors who would be very angry if Jace's values would significantly drop.
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