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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 10:06AM
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@Dragon_Nut: They've already mentioned that, and it's been reprinted many, many times. They will not be standard or extended legal, but they will be legal in Legacy and Vintage. They don't expect any of the new cards to be important in those formats, so that shouldn't even be an issue. And you wouldn't have to buy more than a single copy of a deck, plenty of stores will sell the singles, so you could buy the set once and then get the other 3 copies at starcitygames or another such website. Yes, the ones that are really good will become expensive, but the only logical conclusion to that is to never give us new cards because players like you are worried they might be too popular. If they made the cards to be standard and extended legal, there would be restrictions on them they don't have to make if they aren't. And since they're being made with standard not in mind, they probably won't be reprinted down the line.
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This was a nice post, but I need to know what the abilities of the commanders are before I consider which one to purchase, and I just can't tell right now. It would have been nice to know what they are, which would still leave the decklists plus all of the new cards as unknowns, but since this is how they approach announcing the intro packs, it shouldn't surprise me.
It looks like they're giving you a few choices of commander. That's based on today's arcana and the product information here.
The Magic: The Gathering Commander decks will each be three "wedge" colors with corresponding new commanders. "Wedge" is a term we use for three-color combinations consisting of an allied pair and their shared enemy. Examples of famous "wedge" cards are Lightning Angel  and Doran, the Siege Tower  . These combinations have been woefully short-supplied on legendary creatures, so each deck contains the corresponding Planar Chaos Dragon (such as Intet, the Dreamer  ) as well as two new legendary commanders in those colors, plus oversized foil versions of all three.
In each box we can see three legendary creatures in the "wedge" colors: a Planar Chaos dragon and two legends that I'm pretty sure are new. At least two of them are previewed there. So it seems you can choose which one you want to use as your commander: the Timmytastic dragon that's already out there or one of the two new people, who will probably be completely optimized for EDH games.
And as for the new cards being viable in Legacy/Vintage, I'm not too worried. Four (that I know of) have been previewed. The two legends look good, but the nonlegends look much, much better in a multiplayer format than one-on-one. They aren't necessarily bad, but they're made for diplomacy, choices by multiple players, etc.
Incidentally, I'm really hoping that the BGW one is all about thallids. If it's essentially a fungus-based deck, I'll definitely be buying that. I might even buy multiple.
I doubt it. We've seen two of the legends in that deck so far ( Teneb, the Harvester  , and the centaur in the preview, Karador, Ghost Chieftain  ), and they both have graveyard recursion themes, so that seems to be the way Wizards is going with that wedge. Although, hmmm, the third guy is "Legendary Creature - Fungus Shaman", so you could always buy it and make your own Thallid EDH deck...
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 12:11PM
#52
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Date Joined:
Aug 25, 2003
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Phyrexian Reaper's Oracle wording should to be modified back to its printed text. If my opponent activates its ability and reveals a card with converted mana cost 3, according to the printed text I could kill it by proliferating the +3/+3 counter. But the Oracle wording gives it 3 +1/+1 counters, so that won't work. Ditto for its interaction with Doubling Season.
Um... Phyrexian Reaper's Oracle wording IS the printed text. And it doesn't involve any card reveals or counters.
What card are you actually talking about?
He is talking about Phyrexian Devourer  .
Thank you for the correction/clarification.
Could anyone explain why its interaction with Doubling Season would be different, though? in both cases (oracle and original), the p/t increase would be doubled... I imagine I'm missing something.
It's not Doubling Season that matters but proliferate, because it would allow you to proliferate +3/+3 counters rather than one of the +1/+1 counters.
I'm honestly pretty psyched about this product, despite not really being a Commander player. I just think the decks will be pretty awesome in their own right.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 1:07PM
#53
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@cybishop: I already knew there were more than 1 commander per deck, not only because of the initial announcement but also because of the pictures you mentioned. I didn't specify one; I want to know what all of their abilities are before I make a decision on which box to buy. Specifically, I'm looking at either the BGW or the WRB decks, and it really depends on their abilities as to which one I get. I'd like one to be significantly different from the decks I already play so I can get a different experience there.
And about the BGW deck, it is called Counterpunch, and they do enjoy their puns; many fungi creatures add on spore counters to make saprolings, and Ghave enters the battlefield with four or five something, likely counters. It makes me think that the deck is more built around Ghave than Karador. I at least hope the decks are actually built around one of the commanders. But then it makes me wonder what the other one does in the deck, other than being just a new card you can take out and build a new deck around.
@willpell: Clearly it wasn't obviously a BWR commander, because as you pointed out, it isn't one. That was all speculation based on art, and the art doesn't give the card away. Articles have been written all over the place talking about how the art isn't comissioned to necessarily portray the colors of a creature. Since the box pictures don't show the 2-colored enemy-color generals, the guy could be a RW legendary creature still, which I would expect. But who is to say it's even a legendary creature, and isn't just a new card?
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 1:30PM
#54
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Date Joined:
Feb 22, 2005
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Perhaps I should elaborate more on my point: It's less an issue of price and more of quantity: Any card released in these niche decks (And only these decks) will have a limited print run compared to even mythics in large sets. I don't know how many of any given deck they usually make, but I doubt the numbers for any given deck is incredibly high. Without reprints, a few years down the line pulling together a playset of any given card is going to become difficult. I have no doubt that the availability of singles immediately upon release will be more than adequate. My question is more about what happens if these cards do end up being very useful in multiplayer formats. (Especially ones without 1-of limits) I realize that the prices will go up and the market will adjust etcetera, but it's still somewhat annoying.
Yes, this is just me complaining about something mostly irrelevant, you can move on.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 2:04PM
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Aug 25, 2003
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Perhaps I should elaborate more on my point: It's less an issue of price and more of quantity: Any card released in these niche decks (And only these decks) will have a limited print run compared to even mythics in large sets. I don't know how many of any given deck they usually make, but I doubt the numbers for any given deck is incredibly high. Without reprints, a few years down the line pulling together a playset of any given card is going to become difficult. I have no doubt that the availability of singles immediately upon release will be more than adequate. My question is more about what happens if these cards do end up being very useful in multiplayer formats. (Especially ones without 1-of limits) I realize that the prices will go up and the market will adjust etcetera, but it's still somewhat annoying.
Yes, this is just me complaining about something mostly irrelevant, you can move on.
They could hypothetically reprint those cards in future expansions. Even something that reads weirdly like Death by Dragons could be printed in a random expension.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 3:57PM
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A quick question for anyone at WotC who might be reading this (or just anyone who knows the answer): the box packaging shows and advertises "3 oversized commander cards". What happens if my general gets Condemn  ed or Bant Charm  ed? What do I put into my library? What if my general gets bounced and then I get poked by a Hypnotic Specter  or resolve a See Beyond  - won't it be sort of obvious which card is my general? Will the Commander deck products also include regular-sized versions of the commanders (or at least the newly-printed ones) so that they can be shuffled in or bounced without breaking the game? ...Or will we spend $30 on a cadillac casual-Magic product and then have no choice but to make proxies of the cards we already bought? :P Aside from that worry, looks like a great job of packaging and delivery! I only wish that the packaging didn't obscure the names of all the new generals, I want to know what they're called. ^_^ And P.S. whatsername the Greathearted is apparently a Minotaur but her head is more like the head of a Thomson's Gazelle. :P Please oh please tell me there isn't a Didgeridoo  in there...
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 4:17PM
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Oct 25, 2008
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I'm salivating heavily at the thought of all these new Legendary creatures. They all look so cool and the little tidbits of rules text that's visible really makes me hungry for more. Will the Commander deck products also include regular-sized versions of the commanders (or at least the newly-printed ones) so that they can be shuffled in or bounced without breaking the game?
Yep. The decks have regular sized black bordered cards that will be legal for tournament play in Vintage and Legacy.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 6:10PM
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Oct 10, 2010
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I know I plan on getting the UWR and RBW ones as soon as I can, and possibly the others further in the future.
I'm just looking forward to having more UWR generals. Numot's good and all, but I'm not so much of a fan of land destruction in EDH.
I'm pretty excited about this product...
...but if ANY of these decks ends up like the Dragons set of Knights vs. Dragons, I'll probably start foaming at the mouth and ranting angrily.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 7:09PM
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Will the Commander deck products also include regular-sized versions of the commanders (or at least the newly-printed ones) so that they can be shuffled in or bounced without breaking the game?
Yes, they will. The press release quoted above by cybishop says: "so each deck contains the corresponding Planar Chaos Dragon (such as Intet, the Dreamer ) as well as two new legendary commanders in those colors, plus oversized foil versions of all three."
And so people say to me, "How do I know if a word is real?" You know, anyone who's read a children's book knows that love makes things real. If you love a word, use it! That makes it real. Being in the dictionary is an artificial distinction; it doesn't make the word any more real than any other word. If you love a word, it becomes real.
--Erin McKean, Redefining the Dictionary
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2 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2011 - 10:56PM
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Dang, I REALLY don't like the new FNM card style. I don't mind the stamp on the picture, but I hate the giant shooting star watermark behind the text 
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