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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 9:54AM #11
jazzman20
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I like to keep one on hand as a "graduation" gift after teaching people how to play Magic.

I've decided to charge $25 to teach a person how to play (so that they have a personal investment in their new hobby), then I give them the toolkit and two Time Spiral tournament packs when they're confident that they know the rules.
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 10:52AM #12
Jimmuh
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YAY!

Wizards, you're forgiven for ever printing Jace, TMS if you keep printing these guys.


Seriously, Wizards, please keep printing these. Nothing helps new players get into magic quite like these do.
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 5:13PM #13
G_X
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My only recommendation: rename it "Starter Set" or something, so it's clearer that it's meant for the newbiest of newbies. Maybe have some of the pseudo-random cards pre-arranged into little intro decks (I hate it when TCGs don't have two-player starter sets).
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 5:15PM #14
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They market it as an ancillary product for mid-experienced players, which it somewhat is but mostly isn't. They need to market it directly to people who have just learned the very basics and need to get playing.
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 5:27PM #15
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Also: according to CotD this week, both poison AND Phyrexia debuted in Legends.

I guess we know Mark's pet set. 
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 5:30PM #16
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Mar 1, 2011 -- 5:27PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Also: according to CotD this week, both poison AND Phyrexia debuted in Legends.

I guess we know Mark's pet set. 




Phyrexia debuted in Antiquities.

Although, to be fair, it seems that at that time it was concepted as more of a hell for artifacts, rather than a hell of artifacts. 

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What is good will be used to heal Wurm, or grow Wurm, or to fuel Wurm's path.  What is vile will be extruded, and we will be free of it forever."
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 5:37PM #17
ROBRAM89
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Mar 1, 2011 -- 5:30PM, jazzman20 wrote:

Mar 1, 2011 -- 5:27PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Also: according to CotD this week, both poison AND Phyrexia debuted in Legends.

I guess we know Mark's pet set. 



Phyrexia debuted in Antiquities.

Although, to be fair, it seems that at that time it was concepted as more of a hell for artifacts, rather than a hell of artifacts. 



Oh screw it, all those early sets are interchangeable.

I like the idea of Phyrexia as Robot Hell from Futurama. 

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 9:38PM #18
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Actually, Mark Rosewater showed Jeopardy to us on the 40th anniversary of the first manned Moon landing.

But it's kind of fitting to see our favorite Silver Golem as a contestant on Jeopardy! after Watson's victory on a special edition of that game show.
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2011 - 10:40PM #19
RecurringSearch
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Ha!  Good one quadibloc!

Honestly, I'm not too familiar with Unglued images, and that last one really caught me:-)



Regarding the toolkit?  Very nice.  That's something that'll bring people in.  $20 sounds pretty cool actually.

Now I'm thinking:  Would a new person jump onto the Core set more or a box like this more?

(Then again, having a box to carry all your stuff around in sounds pretty nice.)
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2011 - 12:39AM #20
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I love, love, love the Deckbuilder's Toolkits; I think they're one of the best new-player products Wizards has ever devised. However, I hate, hate, hate the horrible timing of their release.

Just over six months after this Toolkit is released, Standard will rotate, taking M11 out of the picture and leaving the Toolkit's contents high and dry. I do not want to be the person who has to tell Johnny New-Player, who made sure to pick up the most recent Toolkit available--not even seven months old--that the deck he built from it isn't Standard legal.

Toolkits should be released concurrent with (or shortly after) the release of each Core Set. This way, not only could packs of all three sets of the most recently completed block be included, but each Toolkit's contents would be guaranteed to be legal in Standard for a full year at the least, leaving no gap where there isn't a fully-Standard-legal Toolkit available.
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