Magic Weekend will be held February 10-13, featuring both a Pro Tour and a Grand Prix.
The Saturday webcast for the Player of the Year is February 12 at 9 a.m. local time. Find the closest city to see when that is in your area:
The Sunday webcast for Pro Tour Paris is February 13 at 2:30 p.m. local time. The semifinals and finals will be streamed live, and the webcast will also feature highlights of the Player of the Year showdown and the Top 8 quarterfinals.
Find the closest city to see when that is in your area:
ben stark is an amazing guy. what he drafted looks like junk but he easily 3-0s. he is a limited master
guys at least make sure whoever writing these reports know how to play the game. look at this final paragraph. black casting zenith with clone shells revealing golems and spitter, but somehow he is losing (presumably to the grindclock) because he is extending his hand in defeat but then he is 2-1.
Black cast an emergency Black Sun's Zenith for three, but the flurry of activity that followed had both his Clone Shells opened to reveal the Fume Spitter and Precursor Golem underneath, and Black extended the hand in defeat.
Black 2, Yasooka 1
I still don't get why Wizards can't provide actual video coverage of PTs. If 3rd parties (read GGSlive) do it for free, why can't Wizards? You already fly people out to write coverage, why not put them on video, instead? Watching a match is a lot better than getting a 500 word summary of it.
where are the 8th round results? it has been over hours ago
i bet they think they are doing a good job. Set aside the lack of live coverage, the match reports are awful and mostly inaccurate. Scoreboard updates are way late, and they cant use brian and rich to full capacity. so sad.
It's true. They seriously need to rethink how they do everything regarding Pro Tours. But even the video coverage is bad. You can't see any of the cards well enough to make them out and the frame they use is almost always behind. The camera is often aimed at players while something significant is happening on the board. (I give them credit, however, for attempting to show more of the matches during the top 8 rather than have someone walk around and occasionally report that something much more interesting than the match you're watching just ended.)
On top of that, the archive is the same poor resolution as the live stream because they won't have at least one of their encoders capturing in HD. I see why that is not an option live as network limitations are out of WOTC's control. For on-demand, however, there is no excuse for this. I am going to miss the top 8 this weekend for sure and if I want to watch any replays I will be treated to a grainy 320x240 frame size.
What they need to do is have someone come in and rethink the overall coverage from scratch. And if they are doing this all in-house then they should seriously consider vendorizing.
It used to be a lot better, somewhat in the years 2000-2006 (plus / minus a few years)
I enjoy Rich, and I could listen to him commentate all day. Even play by play on podcasts were clear enough to know what was going on w/out the video. I think most of us are used to how pro sports are broadcast. MTG would have to be broadcast more like Golf flipping between the matches (like the Worlds T8 was) while providing the hand/table coverage of poker. The trick is that MTG has a much more complicated board state than poker, so you would actually have to show that while keeping a mockup of the players hands in the bottom frame.
The cost, however comes with a lot more videography. A lot more cameras and a production crew that can put it togeather on the fly. One of the things I HATE about ggslive is all the random BS between matches, but without a roaming camera allowing commentators to be followed around viewing the floor, discussing the standings et. There really isn't that much to talk about.
Day 2 Standard Penetration numbers (40%+ penetration highlighted with 4+ decks):
Thanks to Wizards for creating a forum thread for this event, and linking to it from the coverage pages! I appreciate being able to comment on the matches and see what other people are saying about the event. (Despite much of the discussion being complaints about the coverage. )
On the bright side, combo has been dethroned.
On the dark side, Stoneforge Mystic has officially replaced Elspeth as this year's board dominating win condition.
Argh Rich and Brian are demonstrating why I don't like limited as a webcast. This is the first block in years where I am not that familiar with the cards and can't see them anyway. and they sit there are babble on tangents, sometimes making only passing references to the game. I am losing huge chunks of the whats and the whys.
@zpikduM: I would make sure nothing non-essential is running, wired conenction, that's about all I could say. Hope that gets it corrected for you.
I'm aware of the sidebar, and not only does it not cover every card they talk about, they don't talk about every card anyway. I was watching them babble in the last limiited game and I could not see a card Guillome played but it killed something. They never actually circled back to the play. Rich should be calling every card that moves and periodically updating the game state.
Pat Chapin guested on a podcast last month where he was talking about one of his favorite subjects: making Magic be as universally accepted as Poker. And he complimented the way the design has moved, but said our approach to coverage is terrible. And he's right. In fact he named my pet peeve:
They make 0 effort to show us the players' hands.
How much TV coverage would Poker get if they never showed the hole cards? As Chapin mentioned, poker coverage even gives expected win percentages as they go along. So even if you don't know how bad it is to draw to an inside straight against two pair, anyone can watch and see the guy sucked out and think "what a lucksack." You don't even need to understand poker to tell what's happening on each hand.
Meanwhile, for Magic coverage not only do you have to be an avid player but you really miss most of the actions unless you recognize 5px images of the card art when flashed at a 60% angle.
Getting this right wouldn't even take more man-hours:
It's really very simple. But considering how we don't even get quality replays of Magic Online events - which are inherently recorded - I have to think they just don't care.
Even having the players reveal the cards they draw is probably not enough. For that to actually work they would need to have a graphic that showed players' hands. In one of the deck techs Brian held a card up to the camera but didn't name it. I couldn't read it, so I had to go to a visual spoiler to find out it the art most closely matching the amorphous blob I saw was for Sylvok Lifestaff . I then went back to the video and listened to them both describe the card's use before determining that yes, they are talking about this card. Had I not been able to pause the video I would not have found that out in time to keep up with the rest of the conversation.
During Worlds my brother was actually watching some of the live action with me and was lost just about the entire time. The camera work is atrocious, the announcers can't stay focused enough and you can't see the cards. He gave up entirely after a while. Now this is someone who is not inimately familiar with the new sets but understands the game enough to be able to follow the action. These broadcasts are failing badly at bringing in those fringe players. He'll be up and on his computer at least during some of the Top 8. I doubt he'll even tune in even though it's a couple of mouse clicks away. It's too much effort on the viewer's part to gain an understanding of what is actually taking place.
Patrick's vision of it being accepted like Poker is not realistic, but to get as close as he would like to go it would take an entire rethinking. I don't expect that (although I do expect them to eventually pony up for a high-definition archive), and these days I just ask the announcers to live up to their potential. That correction would go a long way and if they ever did decide to actually do a good job of showing the game, would still be useful then.
I understand web etiquette. I am well aware of the effect of caps and I have never used them in an attempt to exaggerate and beg for attention on a message board or chat room. Caps are rude. They are misused 99% of the time and I cannot begin to tell you how sparingly I utilize them.
With that said:
IN WHAT UNIVERSE IS KAI BUDDE VS. SHUHEI NAKAMURA NOT A COVERED FEATURE MATCH? THERE WERE GUYS WHO GOT MULTIPLE FEATURES AGAINST DUDES THAT MOST IN THE MAGIC COMMUNITY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF. HOW WAS THIS MATCH COMPLETELY UNDERRUG SWEPT? SHAME ON WHATEVER PSYCHOTIC PANEL SELECTS THESE MATCHES. YOU ARE CERTIFIABLY WRONG AND INSANE.
Five Player of the Year titles between two guys and we get to read up on yet another overwhelming victory for John Pro over Jim Nobody. Unbelievable.
@Hacimen: I felt the exact same thing. Since I'm just getting back into Magic after a 10 year absence (and I currently live and work in South Korea, where there are very few game shops accessible, much less people I can speak with about how the game's changed), I find YouTube and this site, amongst others, to be invaluable, but also a bit frustrating.
I often have to have two or three windows open at once while I'm watching a match or even a Deck Tech. That moment with the Sylvok Lifestaff was par for the course. I had to try and track down what "surprise" card they were talking about, because I didn't recognize it nor make out the writing. During games, I see cards quickly flashing across the screen, but it's assumed that I know everything about them.
More often than not, no one bothers to comment on the combos being played (which would be really valuable for me) or what I think is sometimes even more important in Magic - the cards that people didn't play, as in "Well, why didn't he Mana Leak that?"
That's what I feel is most lacking from these videos. I want to learn WHY the pros are making the choices they make. I'm sure I could simply copy one of their decks, but I don't think I'd know when to play what.
Lastly, I'm really interested in the decks that appear different but still succeed.
That Nico Bohny deck has its share of expensive cards (Vengevines), but it's refreshing to see a deck with no Planeswalkers. Even if I get lucky in drawing a single Jace the Mind Sculptor out of the booster box that's waiting on me back in the US, it's easy to start feeling like you'll never be competitive without shelling out $500 for 8 to 12 planeswalkers. It seems like almost every Top 8 deck has them. If you're going to do a Deck Tech with someone, I feel like Nico's would be the most valuable for new players. Combos like that Glint Hawk/Memnite (and I'm sure there are a ton more) are super-cheap, but really interesting to me.
No quarterfinals live coverage?
And what exactly is the excuse for this epic failure?
Good catch, I must have glossed over that entirely a bunch of times. Apparently their solution to doing such a bad job juggling four tables is to not do it at all.
Aw man! I set my alarm early and everything to make sure i didn't miss Chapin's match and now they're not even going to show it?!
Have they explained why they did this?
I'm going to be optimistic about this and assume that they're not doing live quarters so they can do accurate edited coverage with prepared data and recaps of just the key plays, while skipping the shuffling, draw go, etc.
They just thought, hey screw the euros and what lies east! no American will get out of bed that early anyway so let's start with the semis guys lol.
I take it back: "Rietzl looked in trouble against Wurmcoil Engine, but he found a way to win."
Masterful coverage, just masterful. It's like I'm right there.
Again, the cameras are showing the players' faces while they're doing their moves, and Rich and BDM prattle on about something else so that we have no idea what's happening.
Why aren't they showing Lemoine VS Rietzl instead? The Boros on Boros matchup will probably be done before Stark and Nakada are done with their first game.
So not only do we not get any QF coverage (because of there not being enough room apparently, great planning!!) but there's tons of horizontal distortion lines whenever there's a lot of movement (which I'm guessing is cause they're broadcasting an interlaced signal). Nice.
Still way too much showing of faces as well. I don't care what their facial expression is, show the game!
Aside from the too much face time recently I've liked all the previous coverages (and I started playing during Antiquities so I have followed every PT coverage they've ever done) and this is by far the worst one. Not showing the quarterfinals is just a massive massive fail.
Argh, you just TOLD me game 2 of Boros on Boros is going on and you're showing me the SBing and shuffling of the most boring match of the two in the semis.
EDITED : Nevermind. I'm happy they're accomodating Paul's playing in the GP. Just as long as you're not making me miss games for no reason. This beats UpperDeck's old stance that registering in a second tournament automatically dropped you from the other one you're in.
No quarter final coverage is really bad.
If Richard or Brian have an explanation they could offer that would be much appreciated.
Also - could you pass on to the camera crew that not being able to see the hands when it shows a close up sort of defeats the point. I know this isn't just me - my friends watching this are experiencing the same "fuzzy-ness" on close ups of hands.
Other than that... keep up the good work!
Ps. Please don't have the quarters highlights covered by Evan Erwin. There is more to the highlights of a match than "he played a card, then he played a card *rinse repeat*... player a won because he beat player b"
Closest thing to an explanation for why no QF from Kelly Digges on the DailyMTG twitterfeed.
Thanks for that. If it's a physical limitation then that's not their fault and I support them doing the best they could. It's just that at this point WotC's unfortunate situations look indistinguishable from their intentional decisions.
I actually think the coverage is good now that we're on it, and 100% support them trying to work around Rietzl in the GP. There's a ton of room for improvement, but for what they do it's well-enough done.
Rietzl is a Beast. And he's contesting all the cliffs.
Is Rietz playing the semi's and his draft at the same time? How did he win game one and then play games 1 and 2 of the GrandPrix and then go back to the semi's for game two?
Am I missing someone? Please enlighten me.
It's not uncommon for them to pause one quarter/semi while they cover another so that both can get covered. I expect they're combining that attitude with the desire to keep Rietzl alive in the GP. They wouldn't hold up the whole show, but if a pause between games lets Rietzl go play while they still have Stark/Nakada to cover, then it's a win/win.
Not showing quarterfinals was really bad You could've at least played two QF matches at a time and then made the videos downloadable so we could watch them later. Saying "Rietzl was in trouble against Wurmcoil Engine but found a way to win", describing 5 games in one sentence and then interviewing one of the players feels insulting towards the people watching at home. Usually we see SEVEN matches, now we got only THREE. That's chopping more than 50% of them off. I'm pretty pissed off.
I think Rietzl overextended into Day of Judgment multiple times.
Could be though that if he didn't, Gideon might have done him in too.
Again, this just boggles my mind. Why are you not covering the GP top 8? You're already freaking there with cameras set up!
There is no excuse for how poor the coverage is, and in this case it's not even greedy players asking for more stuff for no reason! The Pro Tour is a marketing tool! They have the Pro Tour so that people want to buy their cards and qualify for it, and they run it at a loss for that reason. So instead of showing good video coverage of it, so that people can say "Oh, wow, look how cool that is, I really wish I was there" and then trudge off to go buy some cards or practice on MODO, they do nothing until the semifinals.
Also, cost is clearly not an issue. GGSLive gives full video coverage to events that have a TOTAL prize purse the size of about what 16th place at the PT gets. They operate off of freaking donations. If you are going to run a million dollar commercial, which is essentially what a Pro Tour is, it would make sense THAT YOU LET YOUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS SEE IT!!!!
Just wanted to say that Brian David Marshall's deck techs are unwatchable now that they he flashes the cards by the table. He should go back to showing the deck as a whole on the table.
Well you guys sure aren't making me sorry I had to sleep through the matches. In fact I am pretty sure I won't be watching the archives this time. Congratulations to the winner, whoever that was.
They're going to have to get this down sooner or later.
I don't understand how GGsLive can show up to an event at any location, and having feature coverage of every round, with no difficulty. And WotC goes and hosts an ENORMOUS event, and they can't figure out how to put some of the Quarterfinals in a different location. And then, when it's over, they can't figure how to put the damned videos on the website.
Every damn time.
Seriously, guys. This is not rocket science. The GGsLive guys pull it off with donations. You can't pull it off with full-time employees and a real damn budget. I mean, what the hell?
WotC's coverage has always been poor, but now we have something to compare it to, and it's just damn embarassing.
Half-assed web-content from wizards! What a surprise! Excuse me while I go use the awesome flash content on the main site, cool features of the wizards community "beta" like that error message you constantly get when you try to open the forums, and play in some leagues on magic online, facilitated by its excellent UI.
I just wanted to take a minute to thank eveyone who worked hard all weekend to bring us coverage of Magic Weekend. It really looked like an awesome event. I watched as much coverage as my bedtime would allow, and I enjoyed it. Yes, not everything was perfect, but it's clear a lot of people put a ton of effort into it, and I didn't want that to go unrecognized.
Also, if my life had internal running commentary by Rich Hagon, I think I'd be very happy.
I am sure that MattT is correct that a ton of effort went into organising the coverage, I am sure that is true and I also recognise it... but in a way that just makes it more disappointing.
For a while the coverage was telling me that Ben Stark won the Grand Prix for example, and the fact we only got to see 3 out of a total of 14 top 8 matches from the weekend really is a shame. Ok, we did get the POTY showdown but I don't think I'm in a minority when I say I'd rather have had the PT quarters and the GP top 8.
It is remarkable that the ggslive crew do seem to be more efficient despite being supposedly "amateur" (with great respect to those involved). Perhaps - and this is a serious suggestion - Wizards could outsource the organisation of the coverage to them?
Sadly, a lack of planning and foresight on the Pro Tour/Grand Prix circuit is not new. At GP Bochum last year Wizards seemed to be taken by surprise when the German authorities asked them not to give out cash prizes, causing an eleventh hour change to the prize structure, despite the exact same thing happening at the previous German GP only 18 months previously (and the fact that the German Nationals does not give out cash prizes either).
Come on Wizards, the Pts and GPs are your showcase, your chance to show the world that Magic is something close to a legitimate sport, porfessionally run and organised. I recognise that the economic climate is bad but you are often telling us how Magic is selling more than ever, and that it's Hasbro's most profitable brand etc, so how about we funnel just a little of those revenues into getting the coverage of your big showpiece occasions really tight, eh?
I'm watching Ben Stark's limited vid (www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a...) and I am disappointed. That he doesn't value Phyrexian Rager is silly, especially with a Flesheater Imp in his deck. Draw cards, provide a blocker and sac fuel for a later infect bomb and you DON'T take it? He did well, yes, and the Black didn't flow later but that could have changed if he hand't passed the Ragers.
Why are there no videos for the quarter finals!? perhaps the most interesting matches due to deck variance. Also I remember hearing several times that videos of the POTY gameswould be posted, what is these half-assed overview videos? Every pro tour in the past has had every moment of the top 8 up for view, why is this one differnt?
They said there wasn't enough room for four tables and all the cameras. So it was a logistics issue. As bad as the Top 4 coverage apparently was, I guess that in the end they saved themselves a few more rants than they would have had with an actual Top 8.
Not sure why they would not have the complete POTY coverage. I saw games 2-6 (was late getting to it) so I know the footage exists - bad footage, but footage nonetheless.
One thing that kinda bothered me about the PotY showdown was the limited portion of it.
The cardpools players received ended up heavily favoring Brad Nelson... duplicate sealed would have been a far better option.
Of course, Winston draft would have been even better.
Then, all of a sudden, the game came to a head. Mori calmly tapped five mana and dropped aContagion Engine onto the table. -1/-1 counters went everywhere, reducing Bulger's board to a 1/1 Paladium Myr.
WTF... since when did Engine cost 5. Mori is a hack!!!
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