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2 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2011 - 9:13PM
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My apologies but I believe your reply is incorrect. As X enters the battlefield shoudln't be a triggered ability. When, Whenever, or at, should be. This would make it similer to devour, which works on resolution of the spell.
Ahh my bad. I missed what you were getting at. Yes, that would work too 
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2 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2011 - 11:08PM
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Ugh. See what I mean? We have to be rules lawyers to do it right.
Not really, you just need basic logic and a cursory knowledge of the stack. If Illusions worked the other way, Sleeper Agent  would get a lot more useless. Unless "you" does mean the card's controller in Agent's case, but not in Illusions, but then what about - you see the problem here?
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InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game.
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?"
Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy."
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious. 
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2 years ago ::
Jan 31, 2011 - 1:44PM
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You know, I don't want to sound like a doomsayer, but it's little niggling rules like that that really turn me off of playing magic.
Worry not. I've been playing this game for years and still don't know what happens according to the rules for most things. A lot of these corner cases don't apply to me in a tournament setting, but even in Casual, you would think that after playing for years one would have it down.
I mean, I will probably never know a third of what goes on in the rules, because I simply can't. No one can know everything, that's why several people work together to get things like this sorted out. No one understands every single rule, and only like one person in the world fully and completely knows how to play Magic.
It's fun to know, and most of it won't come up, and them being there doesn't make the game any less fun until you realize that a combo your friend beat you with over the past two weeks doesn't work.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 31, 2011 - 2:04PM
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If you want to stop the Disenchant-in-response-to-the-ETB-trigger trick, use an ETB replacement effect for Illusions.
As ~ enters the battlefield, you gain 20 life.
that way you get the life before it could kill you if it was disenchanted.
Though personally I like the risk that Illusions has built into it.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:39PM
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So I just wanted to get this straight. If I play a Drill Skimmer or a creature with Hexproof, it CAN be countered by say an Unsummon or lightning bolt or Cancel? Just trying to understand.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:42PM
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You should probably start a new thread, this doesn't seem related to this one (and it is over a year old)
Unsommon--No
Lightning bolt--no
Cancel--Yes Hexproof only functions on the battlefield.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:44PM
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So I just wanted to get this straight. If I play a Drill Skimmer or a creature with Hexproof, it CAN be countered by say an Unsummon or lightning bolt or Cancel? Just trying to understand.
Cancel works, since it is targeting the spell on the stack, and Hexproof does not "work" on the stack.
Unsummon and Bolt both target the creature on the battlefield, so Hexproof will stop it.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:44PM
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Drill-Skimmer  Cancel  counters any spell. While on the stack, Drill-Skimmer is a creature spell, and not yet a creature permanent. While on the stack, its ability is not active. Lightning Bolt  and Unsummon  target creatures, as in, creature permanents. The Skimmer's ability will prevent it from being targeted, assuming you have another artifact.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:54PM
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Ugh. See what I mean? We have to be rules lawyers to do it right....I play for fun.
I'm new to the forum and I just realized this was last year because I saw January and sometimes during the new year I forget that it's actually the new year...but still I just wanted to say that there is absolutely nothing stopping you from playing your own variant of the game. In fact several variants made by players have become well known and even made official. Don't get discouraged by the learning curve and keep an open mind but if there is no logic then don't be afraid to ask questions about it. I myself am still learning as well and I just wanted other people learning to hear that cause I found this thread by the key words within the thread, not the title. Thanks for the quick response yall and I completely understand now. It's like before they are actually summoned they are spells...I picture a blob of black, green, blue, white, or red plasma or whatever forming and before they are completely formed, they have no power or toughness, no complex features because they are not finished yet. So that's why Unsummon and Bolt wouldn't work because if it is not finished yet, then it is not a creature. But Cancel works because it uses the blanket term "Spell". So thanks and I will try to keep from posting in unrelated topics in the future. I just seriously didn't realize this was Jan 2012 lol I always did that in school too writing the date of last year right after New Years.
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