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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 1:14PM
#71
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why does the phyrexian card have no species type? is it a typo?
No, it's a conscious decision. This is not the first card to follow this model : look at Priests of Norn  . In flavor terms, what race are those things? Well, they're either born Phyrexian humanoids or humans turned Phyrexian, but they're no longer human. Since the Phyrexian creature type does not exist, they were given only a "class" type.
As Doug Beyer explained in one of his articles this fall, the possibility of creating the Phyrexian creature type was discussed, but ultimately rejected since it would have pushed them to give arbitrary errata to a ton of older cards. The first set to feature phyrexian cards was Antiquities, the second Magic expansion, released in 1994, and since then they've been in every block from Ice Age to Invasion, taking breaks and returning again after that.
 Magic The Gathering DCI Rules Advisor Don't hesitate to post rules question in the Rules Q&A forum for me and other competent advisors to answer : http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/view/75842/134778/Rules_Q38A
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 2:29PM
#72
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People are picking one set or the other when I am still convinced that we will get both. I believe that Monty was very careful with his words.
{Monty Ashley} "Before we get into that, a reminder. Action will be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia. Not both. And it's already decided. We're not telling you which it is because it's fun to pick a side without knowing who's going to win."
"Action" will obviously be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia, but that isn't to say that there isn't another code name for the other set.
-MT Head
I've actually been thinking about possible scenarios like that (like a Shadowmoor setup), but I honestly feel like it would be a bit of an anticlimax. It would also be problematic because they would not communicate who actually wins.
Artwork wise, I feel like most art from Mirrodin Pure that I've seen could also be used in New Phyrexia. On the other, stuff like the Praetor art could also be put in future sets featuring Phyrexia.
I think the main reason that the Phyrexians are going to win is a bit similar to what Dr. Sylvan said: they're kind of establishing a rogues' gallery for Magic, and to do so, the rogues have to win the first battles. Besides, it's far more elegant and fits better in a 80/20 - 50/50 - xx/xx series.
Also, the last part of Lord of the Rings should be about the way that the Shire is corrupted during Frodo's absence. That actually made the final part of the books meaningful.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 2:56PM
#73
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People are picking one set or the other when I am still convinced that we will get both. I believe that Monty was very careful with his words.
{Monty Ashley} "Before we get into that, a reminder. Action will be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia. Not both. And it's already decided. We're not telling you which it is because it's fun to pick a side without knowing who's going to win."
"Action" will obviously be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia, but that isn't to say that there isn't another code name for the other set.
-MT Head
I've actually been thinking about possible scenarios like that (like a Shadowmoor setup), but I honestly feel like it would be a bit of an anticlimax. It would also be problematic because they would not communicate who actually wins.
Artwork wise, I feel like most art from Mirrodin Pure that I've seen could also be used in New Phyrexia. On the other, stuff like the Praetor art could also be put in future sets featuring Phyrexia.
I think the main reason that the Phyrexians are going to win is a bit similar to what Dr. Sylvan said: they're kind of establishing a rogues' gallery for Magic, and to do so, the rogues have to win the first battles. Besides, it's far more elegant and fits better in a 80/20 - 50/50 - xx/xx series.
Also, the last part of Lord of the Rings should be about the way that the Shire is corrupted during Frodo's absence. That actually made the final part of the books meaningful.
It has nothing to do with winning and losing from a war perspective, and everything to do with winning and losing from the game's perspective. Face it, the game is going to want the Phyrexians around. They are the big bad boys of MTG's history and WoTC isn't going to waste a 7 year set-up just to do it again some other time. It is possible that some of the creatures that were returned to their native planes were infected with the oil, but I don't see the need to go through with the build-up again unless they wait for a while. Besides, the 5 colors within Phyrexia set-up a nice tension, and I could see some nice storylines from an inter-Phyrexian conflict. On the other side of things, Mirrodin has proved to be a popular plane, with unique history, and I don't see WoTC wanting to throw away the ability to return either.
To look at things more pragmatically within the game, what would a phyrexian set look like. This "white" card gives us a good idea in how black that kind of a set would look. It would warp standard and extended for quite a while if you didn't have something to counter-balance it. Now R&D has solved problems like that in the past, but why create problems that you don't need to?
So I am convinced that we are going to get both. The lowering of the numbers of released cards makes things like this possible every once in a while, and now is that time.
As from how it might happen from a story point of view, I can only speculate. Here is a guess though. Venser is good at transplantive magic, Koth is good at shaping metal, and Karn is presently a split personality artifact that shaped the entire plane. If the walkers can extract a pure Karn from the split mess, then the two Karns should be able to take care of the rest. Plus we would get two really cool Karn planeswalker cards.
Anyways, that is my 2 cents.
-MT Head
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 3:11PM
#74
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Date Joined:
Aug 25, 2003
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People are picking one set or the other when I am still convinced that we will get both. I believe that Monty was very careful with his words.
{Monty Ashley} "Before we get into that, a reminder. Action will be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia. Not both. And it's already decided. We're not telling you which it is because it's fun to pick a side without knowing who's going to win."
"Action" will obviously be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia, but that isn't to say that there isn't another code name for the other set.
-MT Head
I've actually been thinking about possible scenarios like that (like a Shadowmoor setup), but I honestly feel like it would be a bit of an anticlimax. It would also be problematic because they would not communicate who actually wins.
Artwork wise, I feel like most art from Mirrodin Pure that I've seen could also be used in New Phyrexia. On the other, stuff like the Praetor art could also be put in future sets featuring Phyrexia.
I think the main reason that the Phyrexians are going to win is a bit similar to what Dr. Sylvan said: they're kind of establishing a rogues' gallery for Magic, and to do so, the rogues have to win the first battles. Besides, it's far more elegant and fits better in a 80/20 - 50/50 - xx/xx series.
Also, the last part of Lord of the Rings should be about the way that the Shire is corrupted during Frodo's absence. That actually made the final part of the books meaningful.
It has nothing to do with winning and losing from a war perspective, and everything to do with winning and losing from the game's perspective. Face it, the game is going to want the Phyrexians around. They are the big bad boys of MTG's history and WoTC isn't going to waste a 7 year set-up just to do it again some other time. It is possible that some of the creatures that were returned to their native planes were infected with the oil, but I don't see the need to go through with the build-up again unless they wait for a while. Besides, the 5 colors within Phyrexia set-up a nice tension, and I could see some nice storylines from an inter-Phyrexian conflict. On the other side of things, Mirrodin has proved to be a popular plane, with unique history, and I don't see WoTC wanting to throw away the ability to return either.
To look at things more pragmatically within the game, what would a phyrexian set look like. This "white" card gives us a good idea in how black that kind of a set would look. It would warp standard and extended for quite a while if you didn't have something to counter-balance it. Now R&D has solved problems like that in the past, but why create problems that you don't need to?
So I am convinced that we are going to get both. The lowering of the numbers of released cards makes things like this possible every once in a while, and now is that time.
As from how it might happen from a story point of view, I can only speculate. Here is a guess though. Venser is good at transplantive magic, Koth is good at shaping metal, and Karn is presently a split personality artifact that shaped the entire plane. If the walkers can extract a pure Karn from the split mess, then the two Karns should be able to take care of the rest. Plus we would get two really cool Karn planeswalker cards.
Anyways, that is my 2 cents.
-MT Head
I totally agree with you, though I do think that they can still return to Mirrodin alter on if they want to, even if they just make New Phyrexia. Some Mirrans escaping on Venser's alleged inter-planar ship and later coming to reclaim the rest, the Vanished coming back, there are a lot of options. I do see the logistical options available and how it would solve some problems, but I do think it would be a bit of a let-down after setting up the war and making us pick sides.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 3:40PM
#75
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People are picking one set or the other when I am still convinced that we will get both. I believe that Monty was very careful with his words.
{Monty Ashley} "Before we get into that, a reminder. Action will be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia. Not both. And it's already decided. We're not telling you which it is because it's fun to pick a side without knowing who's going to win."
"Action" will obviously be either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia, but that isn't to say that there isn't another code name for the other set.
-MT Head
I've actually been thinking about possible scenarios like that (like a Shadowmoor setup), but I honestly feel like it would be a bit of an anticlimax. It would also be problematic because they would not communicate who actually wins.
Artwork wise, I feel like most art from Mirrodin Pure that I've seen could also be used in New Phyrexia. On the other, stuff like the Praetor art could also be put in future sets featuring Phyrexia.
I think the main reason that the Phyrexians are going to win is a bit similar to what Dr. Sylvan said: they're kind of establishing a rogues' gallery for Magic, and to do so, the rogues have to win the first battles. Besides, it's far more elegant and fits better in a 80/20 - 50/50 - xx/xx series.
Also, the last part of Lord of the Rings should be about the way that the Shire is corrupted during Frodo's absence. That actually made the final part of the books meaningful.
It has nothing to do with winning and losing from a war perspective, and everything to do with winning and losing from the game's perspective. Face it, the game is going to want the Phyrexians around. They are the big bad boys of MTG's history and WoTC isn't going to waste a 7 year set-up just to do it again some other time. It is possible that some of the creatures that were returned to their native planes were infected with the oil, but I don't see the need to go through with the build-up again unless they wait for a while. Besides, the 5 colors within Phyrexia set-up a nice tension, and I could see some nice storylines from an inter-Phyrexian conflict. On the other side of things, Mirrodin has proved to be a popular plane, with unique history, and I don't see WoTC wanting to throw away the ability to return either.
To look at things more pragmatically within the game, what would a phyrexian set look like. This "white" card gives us a good idea in how black that kind of a set would look. It would warp standard and extended for quite a while if you didn't have something to counter-balance it. Now R&D has solved problems like that in the past, but why create problems that you don't need to?
So I am convinced that we are going to get both. The lowering of the numbers of released cards makes things like this possible every once in a while, and now is that time.
As from how it might happen from a story point of view, I can only speculate. Here is a guess though. Venser is good at transplantive magic, Koth is good at shaping metal, and Karn is presently a split personality artifact that shaped the entire plane. If the walkers can extract a pure Karn from the split mess, then the two Karns should be able to take care of the rest. Plus we would get two really cool Karn planeswalker cards.
Anyways, that is my 2 cents.
-MT Head
I totally agree with you, though I do think that they can still return to Mirrodin alter on if they want to, even if they just make New Phyrexia. Some Mirrans escaping on Venser's alleged inter-planar ship and later coming to reclaim the rest, the Vanished coming back, there are a lot of options. I do see the logistical options available and how it would solve some problems, but I do think it would be a bit of a let-down after setting up the war and making us pick sides.
Well, from the other side, if you have just a single set, then the side that lost doesn't get their set. If you have two sets, then both sides win even if neither side actually loses. I'm not sure if it is a net negative or positive.
Anyways, we probably shouldn't derail this thread into another of those classic Zindie/Gunn discussions.
-MT Head
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 4:09PM
#76
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Date Joined:
May 28, 2009
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Suture Priest's face is the Mask of Yawgmoth! Finally.
The first thought I had when I saw these cards was "they both have to fit into one set or the other, so which set could accomodate both?"
We obviously know now that the set has both Mirran and Phyrexian cards, but...Suture Priest seems a lot harder to fit into a set called Mirrodin Pure than the other card would be to fit into New Phyrexia. Of course, my assumption underlying this is that the losing side has been nearly eradicated. That doesn't seem to be the case.
Is it just me or does Pristine Talisman look a bit like a stylized Mask of Yawgmoth as well??
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 5:54PM
#77
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Pristine Talisman is awesome in Commander!
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 6:32PM
#78
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Date Joined:
Oct 10, 2009
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Is it just me or does Pristine Talisman look a bit like a stylized Mask of Yawgmoth as well??
*head explodes*
Pristine Talisman is awesome in Commander!
No, it's not.
http://magiccardswithgooglyeyes.tumblr.com/
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 9:09PM
#79
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Date Joined:
Jan 24, 2011
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Into the Breach seems really good for the cost. Infect & Defile doesn't seem as good, but over all isn't that bad.
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2 years ago ::
Feb 15, 2011 - 9:19PM
#80
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I generally try to buy most of these types of products to have ready for kitchen table play at home, but the high price tag (despite the plethora of good cards) is still making me hesitant. I'll certainly keep them in the back of my mind if I run into some extra cash.
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