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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 5:09PM #1
Garmichael
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Feature Article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 9:13PM #2
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Happy Melvin day, everybody!

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 9:41PM #3
SniffnoyNo2
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Changes you want to research, eh? Well, I've got my file of errors I've noticed right here waiting...

(Meanwhile, thank you for pointing out Rules Theory and Templating. Now in case I get something embarassingly wrong (like I did last time with Lobotomy ) I can ask them first rather than proposing it here.)

Potential problems I've noticed since last time:

Mogg Flunkies - Going by the original text, it should be able to attack or block so long as another creature you control attacked or blocked that *turn*, which is relevant if there are multiple combat phases that turn.  (Strictly speaking, going by the original text, it seems like it ought to be able to attack alone so long as you later play a card giving you an additional combat phase and attack again, but that's kind of ridiculous and also not really implementable.) Admittedly, this has been reprinted with the newer template in Premium Deck Series: Fire and Lightning, but seeing as how e.g. the Coldsnap theme decks were ignored when deciding which wording to use (look at Bounty of the Hunt ), I assume reprint sets like Duel Decks and Premium Deck Series are ignored in general.

Mercenary Informer , Rebel Informer - These cards' activated abilities should only be able to target nontoken permanents.

Phantasmal Sphere - OK, I mentioned this one last time, but at the very end, where chances are nobody noticed it.  As printed, the second ability targets, but the current Oracle wording doesn't.

Also, Kinshala still needs to be added to the list of planar types, since you don't have to appear to have made that change in this CR.  (I assume you did add Germ to the list of creature types but forgot to mention it, right?)

And... that's it, actually.  Meanwhile I await to see how your research affects such cards as Mercenaries , Floral Spuzzem , Brutal Suppression , etc...
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 10:10PM #4
ROBRAM89
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I'm about 90% sure that only the third is an actual issue and I would wager it's intentional.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 10:34PM #5
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Jan 26, 2011 -- 9:41PM, SniffnoyNo2 wrote:

(Meanwhile, thank you for pointing out Rules Theory and Templating. Now in case I get something embarassingly wrong (like I did last time with Lobotomy ) I can ask them first rather than proposing it here.)


Yeah, Rules T&T is where all the cool rules goobs hang out. When we're not busy resolving the oxymoron, anyway.

Oh, and Matt, it looks like you forgot to mention 'Germ' being added to the creature type list--hopefully that omission was just in the Update and not in the CR itself.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 10:42PM #6
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Great update, Matt & The Rules Team.  Thanks!!

(Sidenote: Matt & The Rules Team = next band name)

Threw my (lame and unhelpful) commentary in the RT&T thread.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 10:54PM #7
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Actually, one note while I'm thinking of it.

I do wish that when introducing a new rule to cover an unknown situation, that you'd always state what the outcome is going to be.  The rules jargon can wait until for the new draft of the Comp Rules, but it'd be more convenient if you gave us the summary with the update.

For example:

Rules Update wrote:

701.15e
This rule was created to handle the case where a nonempty set of  objects would be shuffled into a library but are instead moved to  another zone. This could happen with one of the Fifth Dawn Beacons or Mirrodin Besieged Zeniths cast with flashback. Subsequent rules were renumbered.


Okay, great.  New rule to handle a bizarre scenario.  But uh... what's it going to do?  You don't have to give us the exact rule, I understand it's going through review, editing, etc, etc.  But a little note saying "(The library is still [not] shuffled)" would be helpful.

You do exactly what I'm requesting just a little later for the Copy / CDA interaction, for example.  You explain the rule is changing, describe an affected scenario, and then give us a quick summary of what's to come: "Now, it'll still copy that ability (so Muraganda Petroglyphs doesn't mess anything up), but you won't consider it when determining the Doppelganger's characteristics."

And that's great!

Otherwise I have to remember to actually go and look up the rule when the Comp Rules hit.  And I'm laaaaazy

Just my .02

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2011 - 2:29AM #8
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So with the color identity change can I now use Memnarch in a blue EDH deck?
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2011 - 5:47AM #9
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So Greater Werewolf is now back to its printed wording?  That seems like call for celebration, except it makes me wonder why it was ever changed at all....
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2011 - 6:41AM #10
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Jan 27, 2011 -- 2:29AM, GreenBuster wrote:

So with the color identity change can I now use Memnarch in a blue EDH deck?




...you always could. Or do you mean "as the general?"

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