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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 6:56PM
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We've got a subset of displaced Extended players (lke myself) that might give this a wave but if it were to be successful at all it would have to at least partially cannibalize Legacy.
If not reprinting the original duals is causing Legacy to die and fade away, then there must be displaced (potential) Legacy players out there.
Unless Legacy dying out is really a non-problem, despite what some people say.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 7:42PM
#32
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It's not a non-problem, but if there were really an audience for it then Extended would never have been sacrificed. Paper Legacy will die, we all know and expect that. And there's more on the reserved list than duals. The thing about Legacy is more than just the duals though. It's playing with all the "old stuff." There is no format that would recreate that short of making another Legacy with every reserved card banned. And that still would not be the same thing.
It's hard to say at what point they will be able to capture people who aren't playing now but would love to play an older format with the line somewhere between Alpha and Lorwyn. The Extended line didn't work; why would Masques work? Mirage? You can't manufacture that feeling of playing with "old stuff" without actually including the old stuff. So there have to be enough people for whom some other specific point was a proper beginning, that would also want to play in a competitive format again.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 8:27PM
#33
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Vintage and Legacy are kept alive entirely by the singles aftermarket, which makes Wizards no money.
Attempting to monetize Vintage and Legacy by reprinting power cards will piss off as much of the player base as it caters to, resulting in a net loss, or at best too slight a gain to be worth the overhead it would take to get the product out.
They have no motivation I can think of to prevent the older formats from dying a slow, miserable death.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 8:54PM
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They can capture those players online anyway.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 10:11PM
#35
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They can capture those players online anyway.
Too bad that simply isn't happening:
Wow, only 15% of readers have played with any Masters Editions sets.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 10:31PM
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They can capture those players online anyway.
Too bad that simply isn't happening:
Wow, only 15% of readers have played with any Masters Editions sets.
Maybe, just maybe, it's because the ridiculously overpowered cards they don't want to reprint are the only reason most people play older formats? NO THATS RIDICULOUS
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2 years ago ::
Jan 15, 2011 - 10:47PM
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Maybe, just maybe, it's because the ridiculously overpowered cards they don't want to reprint are the only reason most people play older formats? NO THATS RIDICULOUS
Well, that is the problem. Sort of.
The old cards people already have in their collections are another reason.
And there are ridiculously overpowered cards they can reprint. You can get a playset of Dark Ritual  so cheaply, there is hardly a point in reprinting it. And reprinting Channel  is unlikely to make its value drop either.
They can reprint Sol Ring  too, but here a suitable rarity would be important.
Making Sol Ring and Channel legal in the format, of course, would require something like the Archive Set I've suggested, or a broader definition than 6th Edition and Masques forward.
Coming up with weird ideas to make everyone happy since 2008! I have now started a blog as an appropriate place to put my crazy ideas.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 16, 2011 - 12:32PM
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Maybe its because legacy doesn't really look like its dying and paper legacy events have been posting record attendence in the past year.
There are a variety of other things that I'd attribute the "many people who read the wizards site and vote in polls don't play masters edition" thing too, other then the group of legacy players who are quiting the game because legacy "is dying." ME1 and 2 limited sucked, the wizards site readership seems to be very casual, the wizards site readership has a lot of paper only players, etc. I'm not sure if using a tangentially related wizards poll to justify a claim that players are switching to online for legacy or are quitting the game instead of switching to online is a very strong argument.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 16, 2011 - 1:14PM
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I'm sure there are many people who play MTGO, and who welcome the opportunity to play Legacy there.
A few people may have been persuaded to join MTGO because Legacy is possible there.
And there are also many people who aren't interested in online Magic, but only play paper Magic. It would seem to me that there are likely to be a large number of such people, even if there are also many people who do play MTGO.
Legacy may be popular even with paper cards, and the claim that it is "dying" may be an exaggeration. I would think that a "Legacy Lite" would have wide appeal, though, to people who find Legacy appealing but unaffordable. If anything, the reason Wizards might think this kind of a format is something not to be encouraged is that it might drain players away from Standard. People who can play Legacy won't prefer this format, although they might play it as well if it gives them more opportunities to find opponents.
Coming up with weird ideas to make everyone happy since 2008! I have now started a blog as an appropriate place to put my crazy ideas.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 16, 2011 - 1:35PM
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They can capture those players online anyway.
Too bad that simply isn't happening:
Wow, only 15% of readers have played with any Masters Editions sets.
Maybe, just maybe, it's because the ridiculously overpowered cards they don't want to reprint are the only reason most people play older formats? NO THATS RIDICULOUS
The power is not the only reason, no, but it does define those formats and it is vital to them. The eventual lack of it will make Legacy inaccessbile to too many people the way Vintage is now due to that power being inaccessible.
As for the number of people playing MTGO versus paper, yes we know that first number is lower. And even smaller subset of those players read mothership articles. But no, there isn't a mass exodus of players leaving paper for online play. (I doubt all the posters in the MTGO forums even read Tom's articles.) However, there are new sets being sold by WOTC for online Legacy play that people are most definitely buying, which was my point. They cannot do this in paper.
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