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2 years ago ::
Jan 06, 2011 - 9:38AM
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Based on the results presented here, the shaman deck beats faeries and wargate. For some reason, the budget decks described here always beat the tournament staples. Looks like misleading results to me; either the opponents have little skill, or the results shown are not representative. Also, take a look at Mike Flores article today on extended decks. See a shaman deck? See any decks that don't cost a fortune? 'Nuf said on that.
Eldrazi green typically includes multiple copies of Vengevine - a single copy of which pushes a deck out of budget range, as they go for about $30 each online.
he did one three-round match against faeries and Wargate, which hardly is proof for or against. Also, remember that he DID win a pro tour, so playskill probably factored in during ramdom MODO events.
Mike Flores wasn't talking about every deck in Extended, just the ones from an online PTQ.
I ws talking about Eldrazi Green from around Zendikar, the one with Elves and Eldrazi monument, the one that actually did well before people started trying to cram other interactins into it.
I would have killed, literally ended someones life, to NOT have Arrogant Bloodlord  riding a giant ant... Good times: Spoiler:
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but where DID the other fork come from?
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Lord_Zed:
I was at my friends house when this happened. He's married and his wife was an excellent baker. She had baked a homemade apple pie the night before.
I was hungry, and my friend convinced me to try those low carb monster drinks. Before this day, I had never triend energy drinks before.
Boy was I in for a treat.
When I tried that first monster, I really enjoyed the flavor, but the taste that it left in my mouth wasn't so good. What was my solution? Drink another!
before I could finish drinking that 2nd monster, I felt it already kicking in(these drinks were not very far apart, we're talking minutes here) my friend decided that it was a good idea to whip out that fresh pie his wife made the night before. I didn't know what to do, since I felt incredibly invigorated, and at the same time, freaked out by the rush I was feeling, but I was also hungry, and my friend have me an entire plate with a fork and said "help yourself." He extended his saucer to me, and I cut him a piece of the pie and handed it to him, then I looked at the pie, noticed that the pie was in an aluminum holder, and dumped the entire pie onto my plate and started eating it with 2 forks. I don't know where I found that other fork, it probably came from my friend. Anyhow, his wife wasn't happy, and I was already in magical christmas land. 2 days later, I was in my friends bed and I slept for 14 hours.
His wife outlawed my from having any of her baked goods for a while(which sucked because I could just show up at there house, steal some sweets, and leave) and said I couldn't have any energy drinks at her house, unless under close watch.
My friend, on the other hand, had to take me out to a steak dinner, because apparently I won a bet where I climbed a tree and didn't die.
The great land debate:
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Zendikar had fetchlands, and Worldwake had manlands. What are the new Scars duals called?
Explosive Peanut Lightning lands. Well, that's just what I call them.
i'm just trying to figure out what the point of saying this is. it's just really random.
And so the pot met the kettle.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 06, 2011 - 3:21PM
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I am currently testing this deck out right now and it works pretty nice. I have playtested this deck against popular choices about 10-15 matches per deck.
Against Faeries this deck wins 48% of the time. If you can get out Forgers quick, you can win turn 4-5 before SB. After SB, it's a little luck. Great Sable Stag helps plenty in this matchup. I also included Vexing Shusher in the SB which helped a little. When I came up with the SB, I really went for control hate since most extended decks are splashing blue for cryptic commands.
Against Wargate, this deck wins 45% of the time, with JVL's reasoning of needing luck to outrace wargate and pray that they don't cast scapeshift. So hard because by turn 3 they already have cryptic command mana out.
Against Control, this deck wins 51% of the time. IMHO, since there are no non-creature spells in this deck, it is hard for control to keep up with the constant pinging from the creatures. This is the only matchup besides Faeries where I SB'd in all the sparkmages.
Elves is 50%, and every time I played it was a race to see who can get out their creatures faster. Whenever I lost it was due to my opponent Primal Commanding and gaining 7 life and whatever choice he chooses.
Honestly, a lot of the wins were getting lucky and/or opponents misplays. I like this deck because it's unexpected, and it runs really smooth. This is truly a budget competitive deck because it is definitely a lot cheaper to build than most of the other decks, but can still hang with them. Kind of reminds me of Standard B/R Vampires except less consistent.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 07, 2011 - 3:26AM
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why not 4 ancient ziggurats?
it would help smooth the mana base
yeah it doesn't activate fauna shaman but that seems kinda irrelevant
also like someone else said vexing shusher seems better than guttural response and it's a creature and it's a shaman!
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2 years ago ::
Jan 07, 2011 - 11:39AM
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I've built this deck with Vengevine instead of the Wolf guy, Bloodbraid will single-handedly recur Vengevine and this deck wins fast. Is Summoning Trap a good SB?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 08, 2011 - 9:40AM
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@Absird: Summoning Trap IMO is weaker in extended, and if you do summoning trap, you're going to have a tough choice of deciding which of 7 creatures you're going to play. I don't think Summoning Trap is worth it in this deck, but I am also testing this deck with Great Sable Stag and Cloudthresher. I might also see about sideboarding Wall of Tanglecord since it has the ability to reach. And I agree, testing Vexing Shusher was way better than Guttural Response.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2011 - 4:32AM
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Master of the wild hunt is also a shaman and plays very nicely with wolf skull shaman. provides good defence against sweepers (as if you resolve it you don't need to cast anything else) and also provides card advantage in the agro match up. (assuming you trade off in the early stages.)
Like the vengevine idea, at least as sideboard tech v control. (+4 shusher, + 4 vengevine)?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 7:59AM
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@Absird: Summoning Trap IMO is weaker in extended, and if you do summoning trap, you're going to have a tough choice of deciding which of 7 creatures you're going to play. I don't think Summoning Trap is worth it in this deck, but I am also testing this deck with Great Sable Stag and Cloudthresher. I might also see about sideboarding Wall of Tanglecord since it has the ability to reach. And I agree, testing Vexing Shusher was way better than Guttural Response.
You're right, plus I prefer having a spell-less deck
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2 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2011 - 12:08PM
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Gavin spotlighted this deck concept a few weeks ago on SCG. Differences is this has fewer rares. Nice budgetizing.
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