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2 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2011 - 5:26PM #1
Garmichael
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Savor the Flavor, which goes live Wednesday on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2011 - 11:34PM #2
willpell
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"Enmagicalment"?  FCOL, Beyer, the word you need is "ensorcelment".  Means exactly the same thing as "enchantment", but isn't a game term.  It sounds similar to the word "sorcery", but you can think of that as meaning that a sorcery was cast on the item or creature long before you summoned it, and has had a lingering effect akin to a +1/+1 counter or a Magical Hack , except not constrained by the game rules to end when the object is outside the battlefield.

I despise cards with no flavor text, but I can live with them in the core set if some people like them.  I regard those people as fools, but they have a right to their brand of fun.  I just avoid buying products designed to cater to them.

And Koth is a truly pathetic example of a design mishmash.  The team utterly squandered an opportunity to make a planeswalker who forges artifacts in his day-to-day life, and lives on a plane which is all artifacts all the time, have even one ability which interacts in any way with artifacts.  Koth should have been able to do the kinds of things that Dwarven Weaponsmith and Forge Armor and Dismantle do.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2011 - 1:27AM #3
RecurringSearch
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Wow, I really enjoyed this article:-)

All the yellow that surrounds darksteel always made me think it had something cosmic going on.  DarkIron is VERY nice, however:-)

"I'm wondering whether there isn't a parallel to be drawn between what I do and what you do, and whether (and how) each could learn from the other."

What you're referring to I call "research."

My friend made fun of me when we were talking one day when he said, "Dude, to you.  EVERYTHING is research."

I think there are many parallels:-)

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2011 - 8:41AM #4
Fiber13
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Is darksteel finite?
It's a good question.




-Is the spell rare?
-Does it take weeks and life from you ala D&D's permanency spell from AD&D?
-Is it a finite raw material that makes it? Seems so as only 13 cards are made of darksteel and only one "makes it." And 5 colorless doesn't seem outrageously difficult?




Raw material vs. a spell to make said metal into darksteel?



Also, who fits these roles?

amateur biologist
geophysicist
classicist
linguist
astronomers
Dungeon Master
psychologist
metallurgist
cryptozoologist
ethnographer


literature - Jenna?
graphic design - Jeremy?
drama - Brady?
computer science - Doug?
journalism - Jenna?
fine arts - Richard?
philosophy - Doug?
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2011 - 1:00PM #5
jazzman20
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Re:  Darksteel

He was also a little "cavalier" in his approach to existing continuity.

I get that there are occasional reasons for a retcon.  "Couldn't be bothered to read" should not be one of them. 
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2011 - 4:51PM #6
willpell
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Jan 5, 2011 -- 1:00PM, jazzman20 wrote:

Re:  Darksteel

He was also a little "cavalier" in his approach to existing continuity.

I get that there are occasional reasons for a retcon.  "Couldn't be bothered to read" should not be one of them. 




You make it seem as if scrutinizing every STF article from the period and the entire Darksteel novel would take five minutes.  If he didn't know where to find the answer, he had every right to deem it a bad use of his time looking aimlessly through possible locations.  Which does reinforce that Wizards ought to have some sort of internal wiki or database or something containing all the officially established precedent, public or otherwise...but likely their budget hasn't allocated for the effort of creating such a thing.  Remember, lots of players are happy to buy cards by the hundreds while claiming that "Flavor Doesn't Matter" - until that changes, Creative will always be something of an afterthought to Wotco.  They can budget a ton of money for art because a picture is worth a thousand words (and in many cases doubles as an advertisement for Brand), but the writing isn't so important to them that they'd have a Continuity Manager the way they do at a place like DC Comics.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2011 - 7:26PM #7
Beyond.Malachi
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The Day of Judgement on the right for me, thanks. 

In fact, I even hated the Zendikar lands because they didn't have the aesthetically pleasing blank space of, for example, greeness with a single forest symbol in the background.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2011 - 7:34AM #8
Fiber13
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Jan 5, 2011 -- 4:51PM, willpell wrote:


You make it seem as if scrutinizing every STF article from the period and the entire Darksteel novel would take five minutes.  If he didn't know where to find the answer, he had every right to deem it a bad use of his time looking aimlessly through possible locations.  Which does reinforce that Wizards ought to have some sort of internal wiki or database or something containing all the officially established precedent, public or otherwise...but likely their budget hasn't allocated for the effort of creating such a thing.  Remember, lots of players are happy to buy cards by the hundreds while claiming that "Flavor Doesn't Matter" - until that changes, Creative will always be something of an afterthought to Wotc.  They can budget a ton of money for art because a picture is worth a thousand words (and in many cases doubles as an advertisement for Brand), but the writing isn't so important to them that they'd have a Continuity Manager the way they do at a place like DC Comics.





The better question Will, is why isn't the storyline more popular?

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2011 - 1:17PM #9
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Jan 5, 2011 -- 4:51PM, willpell wrote:


You make it seem as if scrutinizing every STF article from the period and the entire Darksteel novel would take five minutes.  If he didn't know where to find the answer, he had every right to deem it a bad use of his time looking aimlessly through possible locations.  




If you had a question about the substance, Darksteel, and you knew that there was a Magic expansion called "Darksteel", and knew that this expansion had a novel published at the time of its release that was tied to the set, and you knew that this novel had the word, "Darksteel" in its title, and this novel had a picture of Darksteel Colossus on its cover, why would this novel not be the first place you looked for the answer?

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What is good will be used to heal Wurm, or grow Wurm, or to fuel Wurm's path.  What is vile will be extruded, and we will be free of it forever."
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2011 - 7:59PM #10
willpell
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Jan 6, 2011 -- 1:17PM, jazzman20 wrote:

Jan 5, 2011 -- 4:51PM, willpell wrote:


You make it seem as if scrutinizing every STF article from the period and the entire Darksteel novel would take five minutes.  If he didn't know where to find the answer, he had every right to deem it a bad use of his time looking aimlessly through possible locations.  




If you had a question about the substance, Darksteel, and you knew that there was a Magic expansion called "Darksteel", and knew that this expansion had a novel published at the time of its release that was tied to the set, and you knew that this novel had the word, "Darksteel" in its title, and this novel had a picture of Darksteel Colossus on its cover, why would this novel not be the first place you looked for the answer?




But does Beyer have time to carefully read every page of that book until he finds the reference?

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