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Switch to Forum Live View 01/03/2011 Feature: "Designing the Masters"
2 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2010 - 5:48PM #1
Garmichael
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Feature Article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago  ::  Dec 20, 2010 - 9:26PM #2
Hacimen
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In other news, this Thursday is January 3rd.

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 26, 2010 - 8:13PM #3
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Given that the article appears to be about designing the Masters' Edition for MTGO, this illustrates why it's unfortunate that the forums for MTGO are separated out from those of regular M:tG. It isn't as if there's a separate page with news and feature articles for MTGO which has a "forums" button that goes to the MTGO forums.
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2 years ago  ::  Dec 26, 2010 - 8:48PM #4
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The locals to MTGO seem to like the separation as far as I can tell. I see very few people from there anywhere else, and usually it is after some big announcement.

Of course it's got to be pretty darn easy to "design" a set with nothing but reprints. The only thing to talk about, quite honestly, is why a certain nine cards are not included. Perhaps this is about something else after all - but what, I would not know. MED IV comes out on the 10th so this article would be preetty timely.
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2 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2010 - 9:31PM #5
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Dec 26, 2010 -- 8:48PM, Hacimen wrote:

The only thing to talk about, quite honestly, is why a certain nine cards are not included.


A Wizards employee posted to one of the threads in the MTGO forums in which this was being discussed.

I understood what he posted to strongly imply the following: that those nine cards are coming to MTGO, but when they are brought to it, it will be in a more spectacular (and, presumably, pricey) vehicle.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 01, 2011 - 1:59PM #6
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Worth talks in those forums regularly, and often gives very good information. But in that case, he really didn't tell us a whole lot. In fact he didn't even fully commit to them ever being released there are all. He said the if and how are still being discussed which doesn't mean anything online. It means they aren't online yet, and don't ask me this for a while.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 01, 2011 - 2:45PM #7
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Jan 1, 2011 -- 1:59PM, Hacimen wrote:

Worth talks in those forums regularly, and often gives very good information. But in that case, he really didn't tell us a whole lot. In fact he didn't even fully commit to them ever being released there are all. He said the if and how are still being discussed which doesn't mean anything online. It means they aren't online yet, and don't ask me this for a while.


For those of you who don't frequent the Magic Online forums, the post, by Worth Wolpert, Brand Manager for MTGO, was this:

Nov 20, 2010 -- 12:35PM, WotC_WorthW wrote:

The last post I will make on the subject until its not...

Just because the p9 do not appear in MED4 does not mean they are never coming to MTGO.

They  aren't in MED4 because I want to be *very* careful about how they're  deployed, especially as a resource that means so much to so many people,  and bottom line was I didn't think MED4 was the right venue.

Many  folks internally are for and many are against. Ultimately, it's my  call. There are a lot of discussions happening all the time.

I  just wanted it to be clear that we haven't come to a decision we're  comfortable sharing right now, but just because that's the case, don't  take silence or omission in MED4 to mean anything more than it does.


Indeed, my memory did play tricks on me.

It is not saying the P9 are coming. But it does appear, at least to me, to be saying that a decision that they are not coming has not been made. They could become available in MTGO, if that is the agreement that is reached.

It's true that this perhaps isn't a reason to get one's hopes up. After all, the safest thing to do would be not to make them available, and the kind of "right venue" for something like the P9 is... unclear, since clearly an MTGO equivalent to FTV would be even more of a wrong venue than MED4 would have been.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 02, 2011 - 9:20PM #8
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Wood Elemental was probably a lot funnier in the WOTC offices than they will be for anyone who cracks one and isn't currently in a draft where he can pass it. I do hope there is that one person out there who is really excited to have access to it online. But there is a reason they no longer print a card if it is so bad you have to put it rare so as not to anger limited players. I actually think Farmstead would have been a better choice for a "bad" card. Some jokes aren't funny 17 years later, and not at $3.99.

I was very glad to see Leeches in the spoiler earlier, but much more so that it was given its own paragraph and was even described as making more sense now than it did in Homelands. Casual players who have been complaining about poison decks for precisely as long as poison has largely been ignored by competitive players now have something to combat it.

As an online player that no longer bothers with competitive play, I am looking forward to using bot credits and tickets to pick up quite a number of these cards. The set his the nostalgia nerve quite successfully and in many ways is what the original Master's Edition should have been.

However, I still feel like "Designing" is not the correct term here.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 02, 2011 - 9:36PM #9
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Dec 26, 2010 -- 8:48PM, Hacimen wrote:

Of course it's got to be pretty darn easy to "design" a set with nothing but reprints.



Jan 2, 2011 -- 9:20PM, Hacimen wrote:

The set his the nostalgia nerve quite successfully and in many ways is what the original Master's Edition should have been.



If it took them four tries to get it right, maybe it's not as easy as you think?

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 02, 2011 - 9:40PM #10
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They didn't design anything at all. That's pretty darn easy.

The things they got wrong had nothing whatsoever to do with design.
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