Uh... yeah, that's the point. "Legacy". As in the tournament format. As in 'the format which, of those cards actually played, is mostly just missing a bit of Urza's and Masques block now'.
If you expected stuff that wasn't already available, you expected wrong.
You're talking about the Legacy online format. I expected the format to become more like paper Legacy.
Thinking about it now, that task could have hardly been accomplished by releasing a handful of precon decks. So you're right, I was wrong. Case rested.
You're talking about the Legacy online format. I expected the format to become more like paper Legacy.Thinking about it now, that task could have hardly been accomplished by releasing a handful of precon decks. So you're right, I was wrong. Case rest
As someone else mentioned it would be great if these were released in paper magic as well. They both look like good decks and would be a good starting point for someone getting into legacy. Plus nothing on the reserve list is in the decks. I hope the standard event decks are this good.
As someone else mentioned it would be great if these were released in paper magic as well. They both look like good decks and would be a good starting point for someone getting into legacy. Plus nothing on the reserve list is in the decks. I hope the
The thing is that, unless I missed something, NONE of the cards in these decks are on the reserved list. At least, none of the nescessary ones are. I still think it's a fabulous idea, and I hope they do this in paper magic too. It would halp me and many others I know get into legacy.
Same here. Especially with the white one. Just a single [c]Karakas[/c] is by itself about 30 $.[/quote]please please PLEASE start releasing them for paper magic. I would love to get into legacy, and this seems like a great way to do it.[/quote]It wou
seriously wizards, you put ready to go decks for legacy in a box for online folk, but we get comparative fail, this sux. like for example we get fire and lightning for about 1.3333 repeating the price of these, it has 1 of quite a few relevant cards in the burn decks, whereas for online folk, you get a playset of the same cards for cheaper? thats just being hypocritical and just wow, i call this not right and unfair....
O_O WTF! *warning nerd rage incomeing, warning nerd rage incomeingseriously wizards, you put ready to go decks for legacy in a box for online folk, but we get comparative fail, this sux. like for example we get fire and lightning for about 1.3333 r
seriously wizards, you put ready to go decks for legacy in a box for online folk, but we get comparative fail, this sux. like for example we get fire and lightning for about 1.3333 repeating the price of these, it has 1 of quite a few relevant cards in the burn decks, whereas for online folk, you get a playset of the same cards for cheaper? thats just being hypocritical and just wow, i call this not right and unfair....
Its not unfair... the "Fire and Lightning" deck isn't meant to put people into legacy. Its meant to be just a fun burn deck for casual players, much like the previous sliver overlord. its meant to appeal to people who like fun foily decks. These decks are designed to get people a foot hold in legacy. Fair enough to want a paper version but don't make it sound like fire and lightning is being released to increase the supply of legacy-quality cards.
Its not unfair... the "Fire and Lightning" deck isn't meant to put people into legacy. Its meant to be just a fun burn deck for casual players, much like the previous sliver overlord. its meant to appeal to people who like fun foily decks. These deck
seriously wizards, you put ready to go decks for legacy in a box for online folk, but we get comparative fail, this sux. like for example we get fire and lightning for about 1.3333 repeating the price of these, it has 1 of quite a few relevant cards in the burn decks, whereas for online folk, you get a playset of the same cards for cheaper? thats just being hypocritical and just wow, i call this not right and unfair....
Its not unfair... the "Fire and Lightning" deck isn't meant to put people into legacy. Its meant to be just a fun burn deck for casual players, much like the previous sliver overlord. its meant to appeal to people who like fun foily decks. These decks are designed to get people a foot hold in legacy. Fair enough to want a paper version but don't make it sound like fire and lightning is being released to increase the supply of legacy-quality cards.
Yes, but after releasing their Fire and Lightning decklist a few days earlier, this is like a slap in the face to paper magic players: "We can build good precons! But we won't do it for paper magic, because we want you to go hunt down $80 dual lands and tourney staples on the secondary market instead!"
I really do think they should make the older formats more accessible, and simply making less sets legal in Extended isn't the answer. Now we have this huge disparity between Extended and Legacy, in terms of money you need to get started. There should be some auxiliary way to reprint the older legacy staples (through means such as Duel Decks, From the Vault, Planechase/Archenemy, Precons), which would sell like hotcakes and also shouldn't majorly devalue existing print runs.
Its not unfair... the "Fire and Lightning" deck isn't meant to put people into legacy. Its meant to be just a fun burn deck for casual players, much like the previous sliver overlord. its meant to appeal to people who like fun foily decks. These deck
seriously wizards, you put ready to go decks for legacy in a box for online folk, but we get comparative fail, this sux. like for example we get fire and lightning for about 1.3333 repeating the price of these, it has 1 of quite a few relevant cards in the burn decks, whereas for online folk, you get a playset of the same cards for cheaper? thats just being hypocritical and just wow, i call this not right and unfair....
Its not unfair... the "Fire and Lightning" deck isn't meant to put people into legacy. Its meant to be just a fun burn deck for casual players, much like the previous sliver overlord. its meant to appeal to people who like fun foily decks. These decks are designed to get people a foot hold in legacy. Fair enough to want a paper version but don't make it sound like fire and lightning is being released to increase the supply of legacy-quality cards.
Yes, but after releasing their Fire and Lightning decklist a few days earlier, this is like a slap in the face to paper magic players: "We can build good precons! But we won't do it for paper magic, because we want you to go hunt down $80 dual lands and tourney staples on the secondary market instead!"
I really do think they should make the older formats more accessible, and simply making less sets legal in Extended isn't the answer. Now we have this huge disparity between Extended and Legacy, in terms of money you need to get started. There should be some auxiliary way to reprint the older legacy staples (through means such as Duel Decks, From the Vault, Planechase/Archenemy, Precons), which would sell like hotcakes and also shouldn't majorly devalue existing print runs.
THIS!!!!11!!! times 10000000
Its not unfair... the "Fire and Lightning" deck isn't meant to put people into legacy. Its meant to be just a fun burn deck for casual players, much like the previous sliver overlord. its meant to appeal to people who like fun foily decks. These deck
I've said it over and over and I'll say it again; Wizards should start selling singles. It would open up older formats without handing over a lot of business to the secondary markets. They can't reprint the reserve cards, but still it would kae sense for them to rerelease older cards.
They should do Masters Edition in paper. They won't have the reserve cards, so they won't have all the super money rares in them unlike MTGO Masters Edition, but they'll still sell ALOT. It would also ease pressure on the secondary market as well as giving them a new supply of singles to sell.
Let's face it, a lot of card prices in legacy aren't dictated by power, except a select few, but by rarity, by which I mean availability of the card. If they increased the singles out there(and they will get the money for doing that) it will encourage people to play older sets, which will increase demand for wizards to run(and make money on) pro legacy tourneys.
I've said it over and over and I'll say it again; Wizards should start selling singles. It would open up older formats without handing over a lot of business to the secondary markets. They can't reprint the reserve cards, but still it would kae sense
Frankenstein's Monster combines two things that no longer happen on Magic cards: direct references to the real world and combining different kinds of counters. What a weird card.
Someone at WotC must have a very different definition of "the real world" from mine.
Someone at WotC must have a very different definition of "the real world" from mine.
Yes, but after releasing their Fire and Lightning decklist a few days earlier, this is like a slap in the face to paper magic players: "We can build good precons! But we won't do it for paper magic, because we want you to go hunt down $80 dual lands and tourney staples on the secondary market instead!"
There are no reserved cards in the decklists. You can easily cobble together either deck if you want to in paper. Or online, for that matter. But even if these had any of those cards in it, there's nothing they can do for paper because of the reserved list. They have no choice but to abandon Legacy in paper, but they can support it online for people who still want to play it.
And if the Event Decks are around this power level (relative to Standard), then they will be anything but a "slap in the face" to players.
There are no reserved cards in the decklists. You can easily cobble together either deck if you want to in paper. Or online, for that matter. But even if these had any of those cards in it, there's nothing they can do for paper because of the reserve
i'm in the same boat i live in the middle of nowhere and money is tight while i'd love to hop on M:tGO or even the duel game the cost seems a bit much especially since i already have decks i want to play just trying to find players.
i'm in the same boat i live in the middle of nowhere and money is tight while i'd love to hop on M:tGO or even the duel game the cost seems a bit much especially since i already have decks i want to play just trying to find players.
Yes, but after releasing their Fire and Lightning decklist a few days earlier, this is like a slap in the face to paper magic players: "We can build good precons! But we won't do it for paper magic, because we want you to go hunt down $80 dual lands and tourney staples on the secondary market instead!"
There are no reserved cards in the decklists. You can easily cobble together either deck if you want to in paper. Or online, for that matter. But even if these had any of those cards in it, there's nothing they can do for paper because of the reserved list. They have no choice but to abandon Legacy in paper, but they can support it online for people who still want to play it.
And if the Event Decks are around this power level (relative to Standard), then they will be anything but a "slap in the face" to players.
That's just the thing. Nobody(smart, anyways) is whining about the reserved list in paper magic. I would just like to see this level of support brought to paper magic. It is a fun, cheap way for people to try out Legacy without the huge investment. What happens if you invest in a $500+ deck, only to find out that you don't enjoy the format? compare that to investing in a $50-$100 deck(yes I admit they'll have to be more expensive for paper, as they're actually a real product for one) and finding out weather you like the format. It's what they're basically asking you to do for Standard.
There are no reserved cards in the decklists. You can easily cobble together either deck if you want to in paper. Or online, for that matter. But even if these had any of those cards in it, there's nothing they can do for paper because of the reserve
Yes, but after releasing their Fire and Lightning decklist a few days earlier, this is like a slap in the face to paper magic players: "We can build good precons! But we won't do it for paper magic, because we want you to go hunt down $80 dual lands and tourney staples on the secondary market instead!"
There are no reserved cards in the decklists. You can easily cobble together either deck if you want to in paper. Or online, for that matter. But even if these had any of those cards in it, there's nothing they can do for paper because of the reserved list. They have no choice but to abandon Legacy in paper, but they can support it online for people who still want to play it.
And if the Event Decks are around this power level (relative to Standard), then they will be anything but a "slap in the face" to players.
That's just the thing. Nobody(smart, anyways) is whining about the reserved list in paper magic. I would just like to see this level of support brought to paper magic. It is a fun, cheap way for people to try out Legacy without the huge investment. What happens if you invest in a $500+ deck, only to find out that you don't enjoy the format? compare that to investing in a $50-$100 deck(yes I admit they'll have to be more expensive for paper, as they're actually a real product for one) and finding out weather you like the format. It's what they're basically asking you to do for Standard.
I responded to a post which brought up $80 duals, none of which are here. They have no gain in promoting a soon-to-be-dead format that they cannot support. However, they can support Legacy online, so it makes sense for them to promote entry for online Legacy.
Bullshit, I been playing magic for over 10 years, and I'm expected to just forgoe my substantial collection, and start online? No, there is no legistical reason why they can't reprint these, after all none of those cards are on the reserved list. ****, I don't even get Wizards anymore........
Again, why would they open the door for players to enter a format that they cannot support?
People are going to have to get used to the fact that Legacy support is only possible in a medium without the contraints of the Reserved List. That should have been immediately obvious when the loophole in the policy was closed earlier this year (and in fact, has been discussed at length since that day). Would you prefer they did not support it at all? That's the only other option WOTC has.
I understand people do not necessarily want to play online. But the only other option to making Legacy readily available online is to not make it available for anyone.
There are no reserved cards in the decklists. You can easily cobble together either deck if you want to in paper. Or online, for that matter. But even if these had any of those cards in it, there's nothing they can do for paper because of the reserve
There is another loophole: since we can't have functional reprints, we can always give a near meaningless modification to the cards.
i.e. the original dual lands.
New Plateau Land - Plains Mountain When CARDNAME comes into play, you gain 1 life. At the end of the turn CARDGAME came into play, you lose 1 life.
or
New Taiga Land - Mountain Forest When CARDGAME comes into play, if it would come into play untapped, add R or G to your mana pool. When CARDGAME comes into play, if you don't pay (R/G), tap it.
Goes without saying they're pretty much the same as the original duals bar a few stifle/donate/semi dodging blood moon for one turn shenanigans which won't ever be worth the effort or cost.
Print them in a new "duel deck" or something to the sort and have it be only legacy legal, or even print it in a new set and just let standard eat it. Not like RAV duals hiked standard's power level by a dangerous lot or anything... And EXT is basically double standard now anyway.
Of course, most people would call this "defeating the point of the reserved list", but honestly, if they're really getting them as collectibles ("I'm so old school I own a real playset of all the original dual lands"), then the card functionality should be a nonissue.
Right now the reserved list is more "we'll help you preserve the secondary value of the cards by creating an artifical demand on people who just want to play legacy as opposed to actual collectors, even though if you're a true collector the card's monetary value shouldn't mean jack to you anyway since you probably won't ever sell it."
Never made much sense to me.
There is another loophole: since we can't have functional reprints, we can always give a near meaningless modification to the cards.i.e. the original dual lands.New PlateauLand - Plains MountainWhen CARDNAME comes into play, you gain 1 life.At the en
Why should wizards have to keep reissuing cards? To please you? To please people who want to start playing Legacy from day one at minimal cost to themselves? Yeah, that'd be nice, I suppose, but there's no reason on earth for Wizards to do that.
People have to realize that this is an expensive hobby and it costs a *lot* to start playing competatively. Handing out some dual lands isn't going to make you competative in Legacy. Heck, it wouldn't make you competative in Standard.
The only people you ever hear complaining about card availablility and prices are those people who want to play it competatively. That is, they want to win money and cards at Wizards' expense. People like me, who can count on 1 hand the number of times they play competatively in a year, aren't really that concerned about it. You can build plenty of casually competative and fun decks for mere dollars. No, they won't win tournaments, but that's not why I play. I realize that reality; my decks aren't going to be as good as some others because of the style I play. I don't wring my hands or say how unfair it is. If there's a card I really really want that's expensive, I save up and buy it because there's no time limit on me.
Again, this is an expensive hobby, like many other hobbies that people enjoy. Golf, for one. If you're looking to get into the game buying top-notch clothes, equipment, balls, and play the best courses, you better have a trust fund, because it's going to run you thousands of dollars if not tens of thousands. Same with stamp collecting, baseball card collecting, etc., etc. But that's the nature of the hobby and that's the nature of Magic as well.
Why don't you all try playing the game for the fun of it, instead of worrying about chasing rares and winning tournaments? You might find you like it and that it stresses you out way less.
Why should wizards have to keep reissuing cards? To please you? To please people who want to start playing Legacy from day one at minimal cost to themselves? Yeah, that'd be nice, I suppose, but there's no reason on earth for Wizards to do that.Peopl
Why should wizards have to keep reissuing cards? To please you? To please people who want to start playing Legacy from day one at minimal cost to themselves? Yeah, that'd be nice, I suppose, but there's no reason on earth for Wizards to do that.
People have to realize that this is an expensive hobby and it costs a *lot* to start playing competatively. Handing out some dual lands isn't going to make you competative in Legacy. Heck, it wouldn't make you competative in Standard.
The only people you ever hear complaining about card availablility and prices are those people who want to play it competatively. That is, they want to win money and cards at Wizards' expense. People like me, who can count on 1 hand the number of times they play competatively in a year, aren't really that concerned about it. You can build plenty of casually competative and fun decks for mere dollars. No, they won't win tournaments, but that's not why I play. I realize that reality; my decks aren't going to be as good as some others because of the style I play. I don't wring my hands or say how unfair it is. If there's a card I really really want that's expensive, I save up and buy it because there's no time limit on me.
Again, this is an expensive hobby, like many other hobbies that people enjoy. Golf, for one. If you're looking to get into the game buying top-notch clothes, equipment, balls, and play the best courses, you better have a trust fund, because it's going to run you thousands of dollars if not tens of thousands. Same with stamp collecting, baseball card collecting, etc., etc. But that's the nature of the hobby and that's the nature of Magic as well.
Why don't you all try playing the game for the fun of it, instead of worrying about chasing rares and winning tournaments? You might find you like it and that it stresses you out way less.
A few things: It maks wizards ZERO dollars for a card to be traded exclusive on the secondary market, none. If they reissue dual lands and the like, it will earn them more money, because people will be paying them 30 dollars for a pack of cards that might cost them 4 bucks to print at best, even if it only contained one dual land, whether a reprint or a minorly fixed one.
It begs the question: why should wizards give up its profits so people who hoarded a piece of cardboard from 1993 could somehow now sell it for 100x its worth? If they reprint, they're making money, because every tourney-worthy staple is probably going to be worth their weight in gold, and they're doing this with regular cardboard and ink.
The only people who'd lose money are the collectors of the tournament staples on the reserved list, but again, the staples' values are artifically inflated by a ever-decreasing supply to demand. Cards that aren't tournament staples, such as Chaos Orb will not suffer any losses at all, because "owning an alpha chaos orb is -not- the same as owning a reprinted chaos orb. If you don't appreciate this difference, you can hardly call yourself a collector.
So a reprinting of the reserved list will achieve the following:
*It will earn wizards more money, especially true if people decide legacy is worth playing again. *Hoarders of Tournament Staples will lose money, but it's not like they haven't been shafted before, the shortening of EXT comes to mind, a lot of people bought RAV duals and saw them rapidly devalued once it was decided that RAV is gonna rotate out three years sooner than before. *Collectors won't lose anything. For them, the value is having that old card, with all its associated history, not its tournament power level. Again, things like Chaos Orb, Falling Star, Ante cards and whatnot will not and never lose any value because they were reprinted.
Quite frankly, I don't see a downside to this. Sure, staple hoarders will lose, but that's the nature of the futures market itself. By hoarding a commodity, you accept all of its gains and losses in the future.
This isn't a fair issue. This is a "do wizards want to support this format or do they want us just quit buying when our cards rotate out, now that most cards for most intents and purposes only have a shelf life of four years". Supporting Legacy is only going to be possible if they started reprinting staples, otherwise the amount of staples on the reserved list will go down overall (due to wear and tear) and eventually having the "best" legacy deck will only be in theory (or magic online).
If the answer is yes, I might invest more money into paper. If this is so, because I can see a future in playing this game because the card pool will be relatively stable, than having a quarter of them invalidated completely every year for EXT, and half invalidated for standard.
If the answer is no, then I will no longer care for the tournament scene, new cards, or any formats whatsoever. We'll stick with casual and whatever goes. Also, they can stop pretending eternal exists for paper, because their rules are worth about as much as my house rules on EDH if nobody can play it competitively in a few years.
tl;dr: A format cannot exist without proper support for it, and that means having all its cards readily available for those who wish to play, or allowing proxies.
Notice I'm not complaining about the pricing of cards, I'm complaining that without a proper source for cards to enter the pool as old cards gets worn down, eventually the availability of certain cards will reach zero. To use your golf terminology, I wouldn't mind paying tens or hundreds of grand for a good set of equipment, but it becomes a problem when I cannot find any good equipment for sale anywhere and am therefore unable to enter the game due to an artifical restraint on the production of such equipment being in place.
This is the real world, nothing lasts forever.
A few things: It maks wizards ZERO dollars for a card to be traded exclusive on the secondary market, none. If they reissue dual lands and the like, it will earn them more money, because people will be paying them 30 dollars for a pack of cards that
It begs the question: why should wizards give up its profits so people who hoarded a piece of cardboard from 1993 could somehow now sell it for 100x its worth? If they reprint, they're making money, because every tourney-worthy staple is probably going to be worth their weight in gold, and they're doing this with regular cardboard and ink.
Wizards doesn't care about the hoarders, collectors, or Eternal players at all. The true purpose of the Reprint Policy is to appease dealers and storefronts. If a store-owner sees that pile of Seas in the display case lose value, the fear on Wizards's part is that all the store-owners will mass-revolt and simply stop carrying new product.
Really, these decks being MTGO-only is freaking brilliant:
Ensure the impending death of paper Legacy, via an absolute Reprint Policy.
Sell "Legacy" decks in MTGO.
Entice the Legacy crowd into 'starting over' on MTGO, with promises of "easy Duals and Tabernacles and stuff - and Legacy precons!"
Profit!
Wizards doesn't care about the hoarders, collectors, or Eternal players at all. The true purpose of the Reprint Policy is to appease dealers and storefronts. If a store-owner sees that pile of Seas in the display case lose value, the fear on Wizard
It begs the question: why should wizards give up its profits so people who hoarded a piece of cardboard from 1993 could somehow now sell it for 100x its worth? If they reprint, they're making money, because every tourney-worthy staple is probably going to be worth their weight in gold, and they're doing this with regular cardboard and ink.
Wizards doesn't care about the hoarders, collectors, or Eternal players at all. The true purpose of the Reprint Policy is to appease dealers and storefronts. If a store-owner sees that pile of Seas in the display case lose value, the fear on Wizards's part is that all the store-owners will mass-revolt and simply stop carrying new product.
Really, these decks being MTGO-only is freaking brilliant:
Ensure the impending death of paper Legacy, via an absolute Reprint Policy.
Sell "Legacy" decks in MTGO.
Entice the Legacy crowd into 'starting over' on MTGO, with promises of "easy Duals and Tabernacles and stuff - and Legacy precons!"
Profit!
I grouped dealers and storefronts with hoarders actually, since they're also investing on the futures of the secondary market. I'd say they were more or less hit just as hard (if not harder) by that EXT shortening a while back. I mean, having to shoulder the risks of investment is even more true for businesses than personal investors, since more often than not they do this on a larger scale than individuals.
I mean, most big stores like Target and whatnot aren't even involved in the secondary market. I'm pretty sure most dealers would be hurt more than wizards if they stopped carrying magic products.
Heck, a search on starcity only yielded like 20 seas. The average storefront might have maybe 3 or 4 at most, and if wizards pulls a fire and lightning with the reprint (and keeps them at more or less 30 dollars a piece), that's a grand loss of... 30-50 dollars a card, and assuming they buy at half-price and just try to make money through differentials, it's gonna be at most a 10 dollar loss.
Whereas if they stopped carrying magic products... the last storefront i saw was a sixth magic, so they'd lose 1/6th of their revenue. I seriously doubt a one-time loss is gonna make people shed that much over it.
And if they really were hoarding it from 1994, they'd still make a good 15-20 dollars profit (inflation notwithstanding).
Which, again, illustrates this problem. It's not that we don't want to pay money for these, it's that often times even if we -do- have the money, tracking a playset down is gonna be a bigger problem.
Wizards doesn't care about the hoarders, collectors, or Eternal players at all. The true purpose of the Reprint Policy is to appease dealers and storefronts. If a store-owner sees that pile of Seas in the display case lose value, the fear on Wizard
What a shock ! They put 4 lightning bolt s in the Fire & Lightning deck. Is this an attempt to bring down the price of the ultimate everyone's-gotta-have-four-copies-of-it-common?
Figure of destiny is in there too. I've never made a deck with a hybrid mana card that ignores one of the types of its mana, for flavor reasons. Seems weird to me it'd be done in a precon.
What a [c]shock[/c]! They put 4 [c]lightning bolt[/c]s in the Fire & Lightning deck. Is this an attempt to bring down the price of the ultimate everyone's-gotta-have-four-copies-of-it-common?[c]Figure of destiny[/c] is in there too. I've never made a
Figure of destiny is in there too. I've never made a deck with a hybrid mana card that ignores one of the types of its mana, for flavor reasons. Seems weird to me it'd be done in a precon.
Looks like mono-red Mirran vs. Phyrexian bruise. I guess the former is probably connected somehow to PDS:F&L, unless it's a staggering coincidence. I hope though that Beseiged might manage to move red back toward the kind of engines Mirrodin red used eight years ago - things like Trash for Treasure and Forge Armor . There isn't much of that in Scars, at least not often enough or strong enough.
I wonder why the decks have seven rares instead of eight, since there's so much precedent for that number with Planechase, Archenemy and such. I also wonder why the mono-red deck features a card that looks very green.
@ Torleep: I very intentionally do the one-color hybrid thing on a regular basis just because ignoring half the card, ignoring the other half of the card, or playing both sides essentially turns it into three different cards for my purposes; I love trying all the different permutations out. Split cards function the same way - do I want to put Pain in a discard deck with Megrim , Suffering in a land-destruction deck with Countryside Crusher , or Pain//Suffering in a black-red deck where it offers two ways of stopping problem cards like Viashino Sandstalker or Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
Looks like mono-red Mirran vs. Phyrexian bruise. I guess the former is probably connected somehow to PDS:F&L, unless it's a staggering coincidence. I hope though that Beseiged might manage to move red back toward the kind of engines Mirrodin red us
The very point of hybrid is that the card can go in one deck or another. Seems strange to intentionally deny yourself those choices.
Of course in Shadowmoor limited, that would be the shortest route to defeat.
The very point of hybrid is that the card can go in one deck or another. Seems strange to intentionally deny yourself those choices. Of course in Shadowmoor limited, that would be the shortest route to defeat.
Heck, a search on starcity only yielded like 20 seas.
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It's not that we don't want to pay money for these, it's that often times even if we -do- have the money, tracking a playset down is gonna be a bigger problem.
Apparently you can just order them from Starcity? So it seems like it is about the money?
Apparently you can just order them from Starcity? So it seems like it is about the money?
Apparently you can just order them from Starcity? So it seems like it is about the money?
They have no more than 20 in stock, which is enough to only support five players, ten if they already had a few seas amongst then. And this is now, when the interest in legacy is quite frankly not that high. We're already at 1 storefront for 5 players (not to mention said storefront is a pretty major supplier as opposed ot an average one), a pathetically low ratio, can you imagine the supply squeeze if people actually started playing this format?
If legacy were to actually get enough interest as a format should have, you'd be lucky to find one copy anywhere, and these cards will be worn due to play and eventually they'll be out of circulation, what do you do then, pretend they don't exist and play watery grave?
Of course, their other option is to just ban the entire reserved list from legacy.
They have no more than 20 in stock, which is enough to only support five players, ten if they already had a few seas amongst then. And this is now, when the interest in legacy is quite frankly not that high. We're already at 1 storefront for 5 player
First off, I have some difficulty believing that a deck with seven rares is going to be very competitive. I suspect these are going to be the standard "good-but-not-great" quality decks we're used to from preconstructed products.
And if they do catch on, there are only two of them... so prepare to play a lot of games vs. the same two decks over and over?
Well, I'm much less excited for event decks now.First off, I have some difficulty believing that a deck with seven rares is going to be very competitive. I suspect these are going to be the standard "good-but-not-great" quality decks we're used to fr
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Well that depends. For most places FNM is a very caual place where you can bring a deck of your unique creation and not have to worry about loosing to the tier 1/2 tournament decks. The event decks will be nice for a place like this.
However for the FNM that is closest to me that is all Tier 1 and 2 decks theese event decks will be just as insignificant as Intro Packs.
I admit when I first heard about theese I thought they were retarded, but now they seem pretty intresting. If it gets more ppl in to MTG then what is there to complain about?
I also find it intresting that they come with Side Boards. I dont know how that will work because A SB has to be built to combat the current meta game. I would hope they provide SB building tips for the ppl who dont realize the significance of it.
I like how they say "Perfect for FNM".Well that depends. For most places FNM is a very caual place where you can bring a deck of your unique creation and not have to worry about loosing to the tier 1/2 tournament decks. The event decks will be nice f
The Red event deck's metallic guy with big hands makes me think of Thermal Navigator somehow.
Exactly my thought!
However, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw it was "Oh my, thermal navigator has gone Phyrexian!". But then I see that the other deck is clearly Phyrexian, so I don't know if both of them are Phyrexian, if the red one is Mirran, or if there's no disticntion between this in both packs and they both feature cards from both factions.
Exactly my thought!However, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw it was "Oh my, [c]thermal navigator[/c] has gone Phyrexian!". But then I see that the other deck is clearly Phyrexian, so I don't know if both of them are Phyrexian, if the r
I believe that they will be decently priced, will perform about as efficiently as the old 60-card pre-cons from, say, Time Spiral. They're going to put decklists together that are both balanced and fun, but will also make players want to customize the lists into their own personal creations.
My last opinion: There should be a minimum of 4 decks. 2 would result in a very "Rock, Paper, Scissors!" meta-game. That's something I personally don't want to have to deal with.
My honest opinion on these "Event Decks":I believe that they will be decently priced, will perform about as efficiently as the old 60-card pre-cons from, say, Time Spiral. They're going to put decklists together that are both balanced and fun, but wi
The Red event deck's metallic guy with big hands makes me think of Thermal Navigator somehow.
Exactly my thought!
However, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw it was "Oh my, thermal navigator has gone Phyrexian!". But then I see that the other deck is clearly Phyrexian, so I don't know if both of them are Phyrexian, if the red one is Mirran, or if there's no disticntion between this in both packs and they both feature cards from both factions.
I think the Red one is deffinately Mirran based on last set red was a all mirran affiliated. But that could change this set.
Exactly my thought!However, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw it was "Oh my, [c]thermal navigator[/c] has gone Phyrexian!". But then I see that the other deck is clearly Phyrexian, so I don't know if both of them are Phyrexian, if the r
I think the Red one is deffinately Mirran based on last set red was a all mirran affiliated. But that could change this set.
I also thought that, but the card in the front of the red deckbox looks really, really Phyrexian.
Yeah I been thinking that too...We'll know soon enough.
I also thought that, but the card in the front of the red deckbox looks really, really Phyrexian.[/quote]Yeah I been thinking that too...We'll know soon enough.
The only hoarders Wizards really care about are the ones who are also dealers.
The filp side for players is that prices are really good for non-hot singles. An "open" rare without play value should be slightly more than a retail pack or $4 because it's "open" so you don't have to buy more packs. The vast majority of rares on the big websites reflects more like $1-$3 meaning that the retailer/hoarder/speculator is subsidizing the rest of us trying to score big hitters. The game WotC is playing is to keep enough of the case buyers interested so they put in the big orders trying to score. What will happen is that the speculators/dealers will greatly reduce their purchases if they only sell "retail" and stop cracking packs. That will also make secondary prices for regular stuff go up, or impossible to find at any price for the target audience of kids that might spend $20 every few weeks at a game store.
Things like Fire&Lightning have always been "Legacy" products, as are the Dual Decks. This has been stated in articles for a while. They're something to perk the interest of kids in older cards. If you're old enough to have seen them the first time, you're not really the target audience because you already have them.
I would like to see WotC do something big for 20th coming up soon. I'd like to see a "legacy" reprint set. Basically a mega-sized block that includes everything they've reprinted in Precons recently (Premium Decks, Dual Decks, Archenemy, Planechase, etc) but recast into new core sets, kind of like a super-size Time Spiral. I agree the reprint policy is going to have to be dealt with at some point. As WotC felt the need to INCLUDE stuff from the Reserved list online, it makes sense they would do something to reprint or recast them at some point. The attempts to "almost" remake them just don't work. More than that, the current Standard game suffers because they can't make any NEW cards that break using the very old cards nobody playing Standard would have anyway, or simply reprint cards that would fit the current need better than trying to make something up.
The filp side for players is that prices are really good for non-hot singles. An "open" rare without play value should be slightly more than a retail pack or $4 because it's "open" so you don't have to buy more packs. The vast majority of rares on th
There is another loophole: since we can't have functional reprints, we can always give a near meaningless modification to the cards.
i.e. the original dual lands.
New Plateau Land - Plains Mountain When CARDNAME comes into play, you gain 1 life. At the end of the turn CARDGAME came into play, you lose 1 life.
or
New Taiga Land - Mountain Forest When CARDGAME comes into play, if it would come into play untapped, add R or G to your mana pool. When CARDGAME comes into play, if you don't pay (R/G), tap it.
Goes without saying they're pretty much the same as the original duals bar a few stifle/donate/semi dodging blood moon for one turn shenanigans which won't ever be worth the effort or cost.
Print them in a new "duel deck" or something to the sort and have it be only legacy legal, or even print it in a new set and just let standard eat it. Not like RAV duals hiked standard's power level by a dangerous lot or anything... And EXT is basically double standard now anyway.
Of course, most people would call this "defeating the point of the reserved list", but honestly, if they're really getting them as collectibles ("I'm so old school I own a real playset of all the original dual lands"), then the card functionality should be a nonissue.
Right now the reserved list is more "we'll help you preserve the secondary value of the cards by creating an artifical demand on people who just want to play legacy as opposed to actual collectors, even though if you're a true collector the card's monetary value shouldn't mean jack to you anyway since you probably won't ever sell it."
Never made much sense to me.
the RAV lands look just about right...they have just enough first turn damage you can't Channel+Fireball [etc] with them, and you have to weigh your opponent getting the non-pain version. They can be reprinted whenever, they really should be in a core set rotation by now. I would have liked to see true Tri-lands in Alara, perhaps with some gimmick relating to hybrid mana or multicolor.
Of course I'm a very casual player so I don't really care about competitive, balanced Magic at all. I want to see crazy new stuff like more Colors and new Card Types. In my opinion that's where something like Munchkin does really neat because you can play casually just by mixing up cards with different backs in a big pile but not make the "main game" unfun.
the RAV lands look just about right...they have just enough first turn damage you can't Channel+Fireball [etc] with them, and you have to weigh your opponent getting the non-pain version. They can be reprinted whenever, they really should be in a cor
I would like to see WotC do something big for 20th coming up soon. I'd like to see a "legacy" reprint set. Basically a mega-sized block that includes everything they've reprinted in Precons recently (Premium Decks, Dual Decks, Archenemy, Planechase, etc) but recast into new core sets, kind of like a super-size Time Spiral. I agree the reprint policy is going to have to be dealt with at some point. As WotC felt the need to INCLUDE stuff from the Reserved list online, it makes sense they would do something to reprint or recast them at some point. The attempts to "almost" remake them just don't work. More than that, the current Standard game suffers because they can't make any NEW cards that break using the very old cards nobody playing Standard would have anyway, or simply reprint cards that would fit the current need better than trying to make something up.
The reason WOTC included reserved cards online was so online players could use them. There is no reserved list there. They are filling a void that they themselves created, yes, but the fact that dual lands were sold in online-only packs doesn't mean that they are going to do the same thing in paper. That ship has sailed.
Earlier this year there appeared to be momentum for tearing up the policy while the game was healthy, but now, if it happens, it will be a hail mary to try and save a hurting game. This past year was the best time to abolish it without too much scrutiny, as the game had recently set sales records. With that window closed, there will be no other way to interpret the decision as anything but an admisison that the game was in bad shape.
The reason WOTC included reserved cards online was so online players could use them. There is no reserved list there. They are filling a void that they themselves created, yes, but the fact that dual lands were sold in online-only packs doesn't mean
Well that depends. For most places FNM is a very caual place where you can bring a deck of your unique creation and not have to worry about loosing to the tier 1/2 tournament decks. The event decks will be nice for a place like this.
However for the FNM that is closest to me that is all Tier 1 and 2 decks theese event decks will be just as insignificant as Intro Packs.
I admit when I first heard about theese I thought they were retarded, but now they seem pretty intresting. If it gets more ppl in to MTG then what is there to complain about?
I also find it intresting that they come with Side Boards. I dont know how that will work because A SB has to be built to combat the current meta game. I would hope they provide SB building tips for the ppl who dont realize the significance of it.
Maybe the point of these is to get people more focused on the Mirrodin Besieged theme. From all the recent arcana on the site, it looks like they're going to be pushing choosing sides starting from the pre-release with faction packs to stoke the flames. From a play point of view these look like the "seeds" to continue that line.
I also think 7 rares in a Block deck is pretty powerful stuff (especially while the block is "live"). It's not as good as the decks full of $60-$90 cards, but that's just not realistic to think WotC would even sell something like that. Frankly, the game is structured to put the stuff you need at common and uncommon, it just means you have to have better deck building working at that level. I think a big issue for casual players is that getting anything remotely powerful in even Standard is extremely expensive right now... and that kills the game.
As an aside, maybe they could tweak the "building on a budget" section to this kind of "pauper" format. Max 7 Rares and rate them on cost (price, #copies, etc) The big problem with most decklists on the MTG site is that they quickly turn into "$$$ fests" I want to use the other 230 cards in the set too. The issue is less about power and more about deck tuning.
It looks like the folded card boxes are back! [those display boxes are awful big for just 75 cards] I liked the one in the "Deckbuilder Toolkit" and was hoping we'd see that format again. Unlike the standard size 400 which almost stack nicely, the new folded boxes a) stood the cards on end so you can read them b) were folded, so ideally they could be sold separately (flat is cheaper shipping) c) match the size of the fat pack boxes almost perfectly for stacking purposes.
Maybe the point of these is to get people more focused on the Mirrodin Besieged theme. From all the recent arcana on the site, it looks like they're going to be pushing choosing sides starting from the pre-release with faction packs to stoke the flam
Those were the good old days... I think by the time revised came around (when I started playing BL was an "exorborant" $125, for a card!) the 60-card rule and 4-of rules were in place for "civil" play as well as the seeds of the ban & restricted lists. This would definately do the job. You'd just want to watch out for Force of Will.... and one little lightning bolt ..oh wait.
I doubt anybody could even afford this deck now, therefore it should be Legacy legal by default. (don't whine about it not being "fair", that's how the rest of the players feel about Vintage/Legacy) It's cost alone is worth as much as the purse for many Pro Tour events. Let alone finding 20 of those bad boys for sale at the same time (without tipping somebody off and getting gouged, not to mention the added cost of armed escorts with the hancuffed briefcases... good ole days....)
Hope you don't get some jerk that makes you play with no sleeves so they can shuffle excessively and dent the cards to make you lose one (and forfeit). I seem to get one of those in every group I play with and it makes the game decidely un-fun.
Todays Deck: [you can't touch this!]20 Black Lotus20 Channel20 FireballWOW!Those were the good old days... I think by the time revised came around (when I started playing BL was an "exorborant" $125, for a card!) the 60-card rule and 4-of rules were
I got all of them except for Burning Fields and Fire Tempest , since I don't think I've ever seen those before. Or at least if I have, they haven't stuck in my mind.
I got all of them except for [c]Burning Fields[/c] and [c]Fire Tempest[/c], since I don't think I've ever seen those before. Or at least if I have, they haven't stuck in my mind.
Event decks: If the price isn't too much, I'll pick them up for the kitchen table. I can always use more well constructed decks for immediate play at home.
The fireball old style deck: I've heard of this before, so my comment will have to be of a meta-issue. The fact that the entire deck fits in the "other" column of the deck table just really goes to show how badly we need another way to describe "other" spells. It's not the first time I've seen a deck with all of it's mana-producers in the "other" column, and I think it would help some folks get a better idea of how the deck works if things like that could be separated out better.
thanks
Event decks: If the price isn't too much, I'll pick them up for the kitchen table. I can always use more well constructed decks for immediate play at home. The fireball old style deck: I've heard of this before, so my comment will have to be of a me
There's really nothing stopping anyone from sub-dividing "other". Really, nobody bothered sticking creatures in a discrete category until around 2000 or so, when Wizards started doing it on the website. Decklists in Duelist tended to be one big pile, with lands either at the top or bottom of the list, with everything else mixed toghether.
There's really nothing stopping anyone from sub-dividing "other".Really, nobody bothered sticking creatures in a discrete category until around 2000 or so, when Wizards started doing it on the website. Decklists in Duelist tended to be one big pile,
I got all of them except for Burning Fields and Fire Tempest , since I don't think I've ever seen those before. Or at least if I have, they haven't stuck in my mind.
the RAV lands look just about right...they have just enough first turn damage you can't Channel+Fireball [etc] with them, and you have to weigh your opponent getting the non-pain version. They can be reprinted whenever, they really should be in a core set rotation by now. I would have liked to see true Tri-lands in Alara, perhaps with some gimmick relating to hybrid mana or multicolor.
Of course I'm a very casual player so I don't really care about competitive, balanced Magic at all. I want to see crazy new stuff like more Colors and new Card Types. In my opinion that's where something like Munchkin does really neat because you can play casually just by mixing up cards with different backs in a big pile but not make the "main game" unfun.
I quite agree that RAV duals are pretty on the money as far as how duals should be designed.
The problem here is that, most legacy decks depend on running four of a kind of at least one dual land, yet most of them don't run the RAV cards at all, and with the originals being on the reserved list and all, if legacy is to grow, then the only way to deal with the shrinking pool of alpha duals is by making something sickeningly similar to their power level so that it actually violates the spirit of the reserved list (like they did with foils), and thus something people would actually run in lieu of the alpha duals if they're competitively priced compared to original alpha duals.
And these won't be dual 9-12 or even 5-8. Not with the decks I've seen. Most of them don't care for the dual land of a kind past 3 or 4.
I quite agree that RAV duals are pretty on the money as far as how duals should be designed.The problem here is that, most legacy decks depend on running four of a kind of at least one dual land, yet most of them don't run the RAV cards at all, and w
0/1 vanilla for 0 just more or less reads "storm count abuse" now, maybe some shenanigans with null profusion or cloudstone curio .
Not sure why 0 for 1/1 was such a hard decision to arrive at. Personally I'd take a 0/2 flyer any day of the week, not to mention if you can already get a 2/2 flier for 1 (or before that, 2/2 legend for 1), 1/1 for 0 doesn't sound unreasonable at all.
After all, it still eats a card.
0/1 vanilla for 0 just more or less reads "storm count abuse" now, maybe some shenanigans with [c]null profusion[/c] or [c]cloudstone curio[/c].Not sure why 0 for 1/1 was such a hard decision to arrive at. Personally I'd take a 0/2 flyer any day of t
In 1994, sets were designed largely in parallel. This is why Ornithopter is "better" than Kobolds, and why Dark has reminder text for gold and awkward 'uniques' when the earlier Legends providing a better framework for both.
Kobolds are tribally relevant - even more so with Sarge, Tasky, and Overlord (and also Rohgahh, but Rohgahh is irredeemably terrible) updated to be Kobolds themselves.
Storm Combo cares more for quantity of 0-cost stuff than it does the individual quality of that stuff. Anything it can play for free and feed to Skullclamp is automatically good enough.
Yeah, they have combo potential, but what hinders me from using them is their "art".
Aesthetics don't matter.
Random Kobold blathering:In 1994, sets were designed largely in parallel. This is why Ornithopter is "better" than Kobolds, and why Dark has reminder text for gold and awkward 'uniques' when the earlier Legends providing a better framework for both.
0/1 vanilla for 0 just more or less reads "storm count abuse" now, maybe some shenanigans with null profusion ...
Back in the day, I had a Recycle deck with Spellbook , the full set of kobolds, ornithopters, shield spheres, and walkers. I think it ran 4x Lotus Petal , too. Recycle/Null Profusion gets insane once you get a second one out. It won off of Furious Assault or some pump spell that affects all your creatures (I can't remember which one). Half the time, even if it comboed out, it milled itself to death before it actually won. Stupid, but fun. That deck was long gone by the time the Storm keyword came about, though.
Back in the day, I had a [card]Recycle[/card] deck with [card]Spellbook[/card], the full set of kobolds, ornithopters, shield spheres, and walkers. I think it ran 4x [card]Lotus Petal[/card], too. Recycle/Null Profusion gets insane once you get a sec
I would like to see WotC do something big for 20th coming up soon. I'd like to see a "legacy" reprint set. Basically a mega-sized block that includes everything they've reprinted in Precons recently (Premium Decks, Dual Decks, Archenemy, Planechase, etc) but recast into new core sets, kind of like a super-size Time Spiral. I agree the reprint policy is going to have to be dealt with at some point. As WotC felt the need to INCLUDE stuff from the Reserved list online, it makes sense they would do something to reprint or recast them at some point. The attempts to "almost" remake them just don't work. More than that, the current Standard game suffers because they can't make any NEW cards that break using the very old cards nobody playing Standard would have anyway, or simply reprint cards that would fit the current need better than trying to make something up.
The reason WOTC included reserved cards online was so online players could use them. There is no reserved list there. They are filling a void that they themselves created, yes, but the fact that dual lands were sold in online-only packs doesn't mean that they are going to do the same thing in paper. That ship has sailed.
Earlier this year there appeared to be momentum for tearing up the policy while the game was healthy, but now, if it happens, it will be a hail mary to try and save a hurting game. This past year was the best time to abolish it without too much scrutiny, as the game had recently set sales records. With that window closed, there will be no other way to interpret the decision as anything but an admisison that the game was in bad shape.
Personally, I'm not after reprints of too much reserved list stuff. The majority of the stuff outside the top 50 cards or so has been redone to be more balanced or the game has evolved so those cards wouldn't really break something like a modern Standard anyway. If they would balance out the older environment better I'd be for it.
There is gobs of stuff in the early sets players in the last 10 years have never seen. It would be nice to see an attempt to "rebalance" a vintage format without the reserved list cards. Something like a mega "Masters" set. I want to see BIG... 4-5 full, balanced sets and 500+ cards in each one. It would be killer to evaluate all them, but it would help pull older cards out of people's collections, clean up rules, add more tokens for cards that never had them, add new rule tip cards for all the crazy rules, and of course new ART. Essentially remaking the history of the game for today's players. Just for fun, a Boxed Set might be fun too. I'd even settle for a set of posters from the uncut sheets of the new sets (so card values don't get nicked)
Done correctly, they would have a new base for a much bigger "History" (Vintage/Extended) format if they pulled a few thousand cards from the very old sets back into print. I think they could start before say, Kamigawa/Mirodin and work back because those packs aren't too hard to get. Mirrodin was still in Extended only a year or so back. Starting a new "History" format with the reprinted cards and Mirrodin forward would be really fun, and possible for most players to get cards. It would also be fun to see cards put together from sets that never would have been in Standard together... and playing sealed deck with them. Yes, the sets would be huge, but if you're a fan, you already have them. It would make the originals a little more valuable as very few newer players bother with Vintage or Legacy now. Once stuff falls off Extended it's basically useless to everybody. This would set up a year of Limited play, and that's where WotC has been making money by the bag full recently.
Even more fun would be the follow up Core set that would be able to pull crazy mechanics to make cards that couldn't exist before. Adding Shadow and Shroud, Rampage and Devour, Affinity and Metalcraft (Kidding!)
The reason WOTC included reserved cards online was so online players could use them. There is no reserved list there. They are filling a void that they themselves created, yes, but the fact that dual lands were sold in online-only packs doesn't mean
There's really nothing stopping anyone from sub-dividing "other". Really, nobody bothered sticking creatures in a discrete category until around 2000 or so, when Wizards started doing it on the website. Decklists in Duelist tended to be one big pile, with lands either at the top or bottom of the list, with everything else mixed toghether.
But where do you put a deck with Dryad Arbor and Birds of Paradise and Copper Myrs? Are they creatures, artifacts or mana-producers? Magic:TG is so big it has it's own version of the platypus!
But where do you put a deck with Dryad Arbor and Birds of Paradise and Copper Myrs? Are they creatures, artifacts or mana-producers? Magic:TG is so big it has it's own version of the platypus!
I usually put Artifact Creatures with creatures and Dryad Arbor and the like with lands.
The reasoning is artifacts don't die to terminate, whereas artficat creatures will (most of the time).
And playing dryad arbor eats your land drop, thus being a land is more important than being a creature, (even though the argument for artfiact creatures could be used here).
I usually put Artifact Creatures with creatures and Dryad Arbor and the like with lands.The reasoning is artifacts don't die to terminate, whereas artficat creatures will (most of the time).And playing dryad arbor eats your land drop, thus being a la
Yeah, they have combo potential, but what hinders me from using them is their "art".
Aesthetics don't matter.
Well, it does for me, a lot. It surelly doesn't impact the game and I probably have decks that could be better if I didn't run one card or ran another one because of the art, but as a casual player, I don't want to play with a card that is blatantly ugly. It might not matter for your nor for the game progress in general, but it matters for me as a guy who plays only for fun and enjoyment.
Aestheticsdon'tmatter.[/quote]Well, it does for me, a lot. It surelly doesn't impact the game and I probably have decks that could be better if I didn't run one card or ran another one because of the art, but as a casual player, I don't want to play
Personally, I'm not after reprints of too much reserved list stuff. The majority of the stuff outside the top 50 cards or so has been redone to be more balanced or the game has evolved so those cards wouldn't really break something like a modern Standard anyway. If they would balance out the older environment better I'd be for it.
There is gobs of stuff in the early sets players in the last 10 years have never seen. It would be nice to see an attempt to "rebalance" a vintage format without the reserved list cards. Something like a mega "Masters" set. I want to see BIG... 4-5 full, balanced sets and 500+ cards in each one. It would be killer to evaluate all them, but it would help pull older cards out of people's collections, clean up rules, add more tokens for cards that never had them, add new rule tip cards for all the crazy rules, and of course new ART. Essentially remaking the history of the game for today's players. Just for fun, a Boxed Set might be fun too. I'd even settle for a set of posters from the uncut sheets of the new sets (so card values don't get nicked)
Done correctly, they would have a new base for a much bigger "History" (Vintage/Extended) format if they pulled a few thousand cards from the very old sets back into print. I think they could start before say, Kamigawa/Mirodin and work back because those packs aren't too hard to get. Mirrodin was still in Extended only a year or so back. Starting a new "History" format with the reprinted cards and Mirrodin forward would be really fun, and possible for most players to get cards. It would also be fun to see cards put together from sets that never would have been in Standard together... and playing sealed deck with them. Yes, the sets would be huge, but if you're a fan, you already have them. It would make the originals a little more valuable as very few newer players bother with Vintage or Legacy now. Once stuff falls off Extended it's basically useless to everybody. This would set up a year of Limited play, and that's where WotC has been making money by the bag full recently.
Even more fun would be the follow up Core set that would be able to pull crazy mechanics to make cards that couldn't exist before. Adding Shadow and Shroud, Rampage and Devour, Affinity and Metalcraft (Kidding!)
The problem is that those eternal formats are played specifically because of the cards they cannot reprint. Aside from that, if there was any momentum for a later starting point for a non-rotating format, Extended would not have had three years chopped off of it. It's unfortunate, but obviously they don't think it is worth supporting more than 3-4 years' worth of cards. They'll continue to give Legacy some support in tournaments until the supply of duals dwindles enough that TO's have to host unsanctioned proxy tournaments just to get people to show up. Maybe at that point they will consider another format. But as long as they feel people would go straight from Standard to Legacy rather than play in a seven-year Extended, they won't have any interest in doing anything for the players in no-mans land. There either aren't enough such players or their money is not good enough. And I say this as someone who got kicked out of Extended this year.
The problem is that those eternal formats are played specifically because of the cards they cannot reprint. Aside from that, if there was any momentum for a later starting point for a non-rotating format, Extended would not have had three years chopp
I dunno, EDH was more or less player-initiated and turned into a more or less sanctioned format. Maybe people can start an Overextended format themselves and hope something can come out of it? (Masques and up).
I dunno, EDH was more or less player-initiated and turned into a more or less sanctioned format. Maybe people can start an Overextended format themselves and hope something can come out of it? (Masques and up).
That is something I would definitely like to see. Yeah, the success of EDH is definitely inspiring. We would need to see enough people agree on the exact line.
That is something I would definitely like to see. Yeah, the success of EDH is definitely inspiring. We would need to see enough people agree on the exact line.
Re: Noland Control - I was disappointed to see so many lands in the deck list Oh well, at least it wasn't Noland Landstill.
I was also thinking that the deck didn't include any Land, but then I saw preordain in the image and got myself thinking how it could work.
Then I saw that the name of the guy was "Noland". Oh. Bummer.
I was also thinking that the deck didn't include any Land, but then I saw [c]preordain[/c] in the image and got myself thinking how it could work.Then I saw that the name of the guy was "Noland". Oh. Bummer.
Good news! Duels of the Planeswalkers is getting an update so you can freely build your own decks! It will be available on Tuesday, November 23, which is approximately zero days from today. In fact, it's probably available right now for every console!
As is, everyone with a PS3 and an interest in Magic already got the PC version.
RE: Duels of the Planeswalkers for PS3This isn't "good news". Good news would be:As is, everyone with a PS3 and an interest in Magic already got the PC version.
You know, I thought that whole, "It's probably available right now" thing was a joke.
But apparently probability was involved, because it's not up yet.
Re: Duels for PS3:You know, I thought that whole, "It's probably available right now" thing was a joke. But apparently probability was involved, because it's not up yet.
As of now (now being 3:50 p.m. central time) the game is still not availble on the PS3. I wish they would just hold off with announcing something like this unless it is actually available, not just propably. The whole thing about not being able to build you deck seems pretty bad too. I don't know if it will justify my need for that sweet Lilliana. You can propably get her on the second market for like 5$ in a couple weeks.
As of now (now being 3:50 p.m. central time) the game is still not availble on the PS3. I wish they would just hold off with announcing something like this unless it is actually available, not just propably. The whole thing about not being able to bu
After moving through that screen, you can see it again at any time by going to "Help and Options," follwoed by "Redeem Card Code."
Hope that helps
~ Tim
Re: DoTP PS3: there is a typo:After moving through that screen, you can see it again at any time by going to "Help and Options," follwoed by "Redeem Card Code."Hope that helps :)~ Tim
As of now (now being 3:50 p.m. central time) the game is still not availble on the PS3. I wish they would just hold off with announcing something like this unless it is actually available, not just propably. The whole thing about not being able to build you deck seems pretty bad too. I don't know if it will justify my need for that sweet Lilliana. You can propably get her on the second market for like 5$ in a couple weeks.
It's not really meant to be MTGO. Because, there already is an MTGO and they want people to play it. Admittedly the deck adjustments are not good, I think they could at least allow players to get their decks back to 60 cards when they win new cards. But in the end it is a cheap game and it gives every bit the value of a cheap game.
There is a forum where people talk about it should you want more information but be warned: its denizens largely exist in a fantasy world where they think they deserve to get more than they already have.
It's not really meant to be MTGO. Because, there already is an MTGO and they want people to play it. Admittedly the deck adjustments are not good, I think they could at least allow players to get their decks back to 60 cards when they win new cards.
I would like to be able to redeem my promo card, but entering my information and clicking submit is only leading me to an error screen. Unexpected Server Error.
I've tried from a Mac using Safari, a PC using Firefox, and from my PS3's web browser (which doesn't do anything at all when I click submit).
I would like to be able to redeem my promo card, but entering my information and clicking submit is only leading me to an error screen. Unexpected Server Error.www.wizards.com/Magic/Error.aspx?aspxerr...I've tried from a Mac using Safari, a PC using
So, any word on when this will appear outside of the US? I have been eagerly awaiting this game ever since a friend of mine had downloaded it for his xbox, and when it finally releases on the PS3, I still can't download it! Bit of a bummer really...
So, any word on when this will appear outside of the US? I have been eagerly awaiting this game ever since a friend of mine had downloaded it for his xbox, and when it finally releases on the PS3, I still can't download it! Bit of a bummer really...
Can anyone pick up the "tweaks" made to the Strata Scythe art between sketch and final? The two pics look the same to me (other than one is in color, obviously.)
Can anyone pick up the "tweaks" made to the Strata Scythe art between sketch and final? The two pics look the same to me (other than one is in color, obviously.)
I find it sad that their Sketches for Imprint Week shows a card which really doesn't need to have Imprint. What are the odds anyone is ever going to fetch a nonbasic land with Strata Scythe, or that they have to remove one land from their deck? They could have made this say "Choose a basic land type" and it would be essentially the same card.
Now, if it had grabbed a land from an opponent's deck, that would have played quite differently and made for a good imprint card.
I find it sad that their Sketches for Imprint Week shows a card which really doesn't need to have Imprint. What are the odds anyone is ever going to fetch a nonbasic land with Strata Scythe, or that they have to remove one land from their deck? The
Actually it does still remove one land from the deck and move it to exile. I can think of random uses for that aside from the obvious percentage change. It's not necessary for the card's primary use, though, sure.
Actually it does still remove one land from the deck and move it to exile. I can think of random uses for that aside from the obvious percentage change. It's not necessary for the card's primary use, though, sure.
How is the focus of the card's art on the scythe??!?
In my opinion, this piece could have been used for a plethora of cards - creature cards. It's certainly one of the worse in the whole set, and that's not necessarily Mr. Chou's fault, either. I think the whole description he was given was very drab and unimaginative. Looking at the final piece, it seems obvious he felt the same.
How is the focus of the card's art on the scythe??!?In my opinion, this piece could have been used for a plethora of cards - creature cards. It's certainly one of the worse in the whole set, and that's not necessarily Mr. Chou's fault, either. I thin
The blueprints in Urza's Blueprints are for the creation of the Skyship Weatherlight. When Urza had built it, he needed the perfect captain, so he started a long-term breeding plan that eventually produced Gerrard Capashen.
Gerrard never really was captain of the Weatherlight. The two captains the ship has had are Jhoira and Sisay . I know most people don't care, but if you're gonna use the storyline for your front page, I think it's worth it to try and tell it right.
Card of the Day : Gerrard never really was captain of the Weatherlight. The two captains the ship has had are [c=Jhoira of the Ghitu]Jhoira[/c] and [c=Captain Sisay]Sisay[/c]. I know most people don't care, but if you're gonna use the storyline for y
devil's advocate-bot says: technically that quote doesn't say that he ever actually captained the Weatherlight... it only says he was the result of a breeding program intended to produce the perfect captain for the Weatherlight. Both can still be true.
devil's advocate-bot says: technically that quote doesn't say that he ever actually captained the Weatherlight... it only says he was the result of a breeding program intended to produce the perfect captain for the Weatherlight. Both can still be tr
Once again Monty, you should really Do the Research before you print Arcana; it's just embarrasing how many things you get wrong. Goblin Warchief did NOT have to say "Goblin Creatures" when first printed in Scourge, because it wasn't until Lorwyn that the possibility of a noncreature Goblin existed.
And while this might not be an error but just a different card being cut from the file, there was indeed a Djinn in Guildpact - Djinn Illuminatus . It was rare and multicolored, so "RZ3" might well have been the correct code for it. Perhaps it had different stats, or perhaps there were two djinns, or perhaps Illuminatus wasn't originally a djinn. But perhaps you just goofed again here.
Very glad Armageddon Party didn't see print. Sure this was Time Spiral and throwbacks, but white land destruction was never a terribly sensible idea. What we need is a new fairly-costed red Armageddon (probably 3RR, to judge from [[Boom//Bust]]'s 5R half), not another way to make White Weenie more borked than it already is.
Once again Monty, you should really Do the Research before you print Arcana; it's just embarrasing how many things you get wrong. Goblin Warchief did NOT have to say "Goblin Creatures" when first printed in Scourge, because it wasn't until Lorwyn th
Armageddon Pact is a great counter to the other pacts, assuming you can get your opponent to play them before the EoT step.
Attack with my guy. Oh, you Slaughter Pact him? 2nd main, Armageddon Pact. Go.
Armageddon Pact is a great counter to the other pacts, assuming you can get your opponent to play them before the EoT step.Attack with my guy. Oh, you Slaughter Pact him? 2nd main, Armageddon Pact. Go.
Armageddon Pact would probably be the best one to use in the Hive Mind deck, as no matter what color they play, they can't pay for it. Also, it's obviously good with artifact/creature mana. I can imagine a pretty sick Elf list with that card.
Armageddon Pact would probably be the best one to use in the Hive Mind deck, as no matter what color they play, they can't pay for it. Also, it's obviously good with artifact/creature mana. I can imagine a pretty sick Elf list with that card.
Very glad Armageddon Party didn't see print. Sure this was Time Spiral and throwbacks, but white land destruction was never a terribly sensible idea. What we need is a new fairly-costed red Armageddon (probably 3RR, to judge from [[Boom//Bust]]'s 5R half), not another way to make White Weenie more borked than it already is.
I think its safe to say that Armageddon Pact probably wouldn't have seen play in white weenie.
I think its safe to say that Armageddon Pact probably wouldn't have seen play in white weenie.
I downloaded Magic: the gathering duels of the planeswalker and got a reedem code for this promo card and a deck, but if I go to the site, what i read in this article : www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a...
i wrote my code in the box and than he told me that the code is invalid try again but its 100% exact, what can i do to get my deck please I need some support please
btw i came from europe
I have a problem and hope you can help me ^^I downloaded Magic: the gathering duels of the planeswalker and got a reedem code for this promo card and a deck, but if I go to the site, what i read in this article : www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Articl
