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3 years ago  ::  Oct 31, 2010 - 2:06AM #31
NeoHuman
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(thank you, i didnt get the edit before posting this)
what im getting at is does each of the secondary abilitys of all 6 of the precursor golems trigger on each of the golems?

or if they were giant growth ed
granting each golem +3/+3 per precursor golem?

thus adding +18/+18 for each golem?

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 31, 2010 - 2:09AM #32
MrQuizzles
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Yes, each Precursor Golem that is in play would have its ability trigger.
If there were 6 precursor golems, then each other golem would get +18/+18. The one that was originally targeted would only get +3/+3 since no copies are made for it.
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3 years ago  ::  Oct 31, 2010 - 2:13AM #33
NeoHuman
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sweetness, thank you very much :-) i copied this and sent it to my FNM's host store owner, as we had a debate on this earlier today. thank you kindly for your time. this makes them epic to play aswell as needing opponent shroud.
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3 years ago  ::  Oct 31, 2010 - 2:15AM #34
Merestil_Haye
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Oct 31, 2010 -- 2:06AM, NeoHuman wrote:

what im getting at is does each of the secondary abilitys of all 6 of the precursor golems trigger on each of the golems?


The term "secondary ability" is confusing, because it implies that the spell-copying abiliuty is somehow less important to the card (when it's probably the other way around.) It's the second ability.

The answer is "Yes, all the Golems trigger, but that probably won't matter." You resolve one of the Precursor copy triggers, and then all the copies it creates, before moving on to the second trigger. Thus, after resolving three of the triggers, and the subsequent copies of the Infection, the only Golem on the battlefield is the one targeted by the original spell. Consequently the last three copy triggers produce no copies of the Instill Infection.

Finally the originally-targeted Golem gets a -1/-1 counter, making it 2/2.

or if they were giant growth ed
granting each golem +3/+3 per precursor golem?

thus adding +18/+18 for each golem?


Yes, each golem except the one originally targeted, which gets +3/+3.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 31, 2010 - 10:28AM #35
Fireball-Debate
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Oct 31, 2010 -- 2:09AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Yes, each Precursor Golem that is in play would have its ability trigger.
If there were 6 precursor golems, then each other golem would get +18/+18. The one that was originally targeted would only get +3/+3 since no copies are made for it.




Wouldn't the other precursor golems make copies for him, so The original would have one less copy made or something. I don't think you are correct here. I really don't know though.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 31, 2010 - 10:34AM #36
Merestil_Haye
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Oct 31, 2010 -- 10:28AM, Fireball-Debate wrote:

Oct 31, 2010 -- 2:09AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Yes, each Precursor Golem that is in play would have its ability trigger.
If there were 6 precursor golems, then each other golem would get +18/+18. The one that was originally targeted would only get +3/+3 since no copies are made for it.


Wouldn't the other precursor golems make copies for him, so The original would have one less copy made or something. I don't think you are correct here. I really don't know though.


No, the Precursors all treat the target of the original spell as not valid for a copy.

The ability says

Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single Golem, that player copies that spell for each other Golem that spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those Golems.


If there are 28 Golems on the battlefield, the spell will be replicated 27 times.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 31, 2010 - 10:37AM #37
Fireball-Debate
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Oct 31, 2010 -- 10:34AM, Merestil_Haye wrote:

Oct 31, 2010 -- 10:28AM, Fireball-Debate wrote:

Oct 31, 2010 -- 2:09AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Yes, each Precursor Golem that is in play would have its ability trigger.
If there were 6 precursor golems, then each other golem would get +18/+18. The one that was originally targeted would only get +3/+3 since no copies are made for it.


Wouldn't the other precursor golems make copies for him, so The original would have one less copy made or something. I don't think you are correct here. I really don't know though.


No, the Precursors all treat the target of the original spell as not valid for a copy.

The ability says

Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single Golem, that player copies that spell for each other Golem that spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those Golems.


If there are 28 Golems on the battlefield, the spell will be replicated 27 times.



cool, i get it.Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 11:59AM #38
White_Werewolf
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My question is on the thread is what if "rite of replication" was cast and targeting a "Precursor GolemImage.ashx?type=card&name=Precursor%20Golem"... 

Remember the wording is "a player casts" and not copied... isnt it just go and just go thru and make 20 total
Precursor GolemImage.ashx?type=card&name=Precursor%20Golems?
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 1:04PM #39
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Nov 2, 2010 -- 11:59AM, White_Werewolf wrote:

My question is on the thread is what if "rite of replication" was cast and targeting a Precursor Golem

Remember the wording is "a player casts" and not copied... isnt it just go and just go thru and make 20 total  Precursor Golem



What does the board state look like beforehand? And was it kicked? 

If there were a precursor golem and its two golem tokens and it was kicked, you'd end up with 20 more golem tokens and 5 more precursor golem tokens, for a total of 28 golems, 6 of which are precursors. 

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 1:49PM #40
White_Werewolf
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four Precursor GolemImage.ashx?type=card&name=Precursor%20Golems on the board and the Rite was kicked
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