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Nice primer, BF.  After further testing, I feel that you were already on the right path before states, as the permission-heavy build feels more powerful to me than even my pet Mimic Vat list.  (I'm still not ready to convert to the dark side , but perhaps my resistance will break down in time. Yes, I have done some testing with it.)

On the turtle, I have never liked it that much, and it's at an awkward place in the curve.  I'd actually rather have the scry-like effect of Sea Gate Oracle at 3, or else drop Mimic Vat.  Against decks that represent massive early pressure (Goblin Guide or Elf decks), a barrage of Disfigure s, Doom Blade s, and Into the Roil s get you up to your sweeper of choice (Consume the Meek, or Ratchet Bomb), and then you just roll them.  (After sideboarding, of course.)

Oct 12, 2010 -- 10:12PM, Dreamclown wrote:

My take on this based off of what is available to me.

 Main Deck: 60
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----------36 non land cards---------
Creatures:7
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2 Sphinx of Jwar Isle
3  sea gate oracle (added draw power/early blocker)
2  Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon (slightly faster win con but slightly more vulnerable) 

Counters:8
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2 Cancel
4 Mana Leak
2 Mindbreak Trap

Removal:8
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4 Doom Blade
3 Contagion Clasp (-1/-1 takes care of a large amount of infect creatures, can't regenerate from  -1/-1 death and I can proliferate to either give them more posion counters or give JtMS more loyalty)
1 Contagion Engine (can wipe feilds, again ignores regneration effects, avoids shroud)

Disruption:8
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3 ratchet bomb
3 Into the Roil (Multipurpose card)
2 perish the thought

Draw power:3(need more?)
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3 Jace's Ingenuity

This sexy A--hole:2 (Need more.)

2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Lands:24
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2 creeping tar pit
3 Darkslick Shores
3 Drowned Catacomb
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Marsh flats
2  tectonic edge
6 Island
4 Swamp

Side board:
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2 wurmcoil engine
2 Mindbreak trap
2 Flashfreeze
3 Vampire Hexmage
3 Memoricide
3 Brittle Effigy

 
Thoughts? commentary? Questions on decisions? Adjustments based on a meta filled with heavy early game pressure?  

Preordains over ingenuity. Drop the contagion clasps and engires for real removal or utility like hexmage/mimic vat. Either go with Skittles, or don't. Half-assing it with 2 is just gonna hurt your topdecking chances.

Oct 12, 2010 -- 10:43PM, zpikduM wrote:

How does this look?
Land:
5 x Swamp
4 x Island
4 x Creeping Tar Pit
4 x Drowned Catacomb
4 x Tectonic Edge
3 x Darkslick Shores
1 x Jwar Isle Refuge

Creatures:
4 x Vampire Hexmage
4 x Sea Gate Oracle
3 x Skinrender
3 x Grave Titan

Spells:
4 x Duress
4 x Doom Blade
4 x Mana Leak
4 x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 x Mimic Vat2 Exsanguinate

Sideboard:
3 x Memoricide
4 x Leyline of the Void
3 x Consume the Meek
3 x Liliana's Specter
2 x Spell Pierce

looks pretty good other than the wannabe-fireball.  you can find a better option there.  i think the 4 leylines should really become 2 nihil spellbomb and 2 whatever.  negate or something.

Oct 12, 2010 -- 11:12PM, 4Tens wrote:

Oct 12, 2010 -- 7:58PM, Burning_Forest wrote:

also, i guess if someone wants to come up with a banner for the OP, that'd be cool.  I could do one, but the ones i've tried in the past all suck and i can't get them to look good.

Very nice...you should pop over to our Big Red thead, and throw one up for us to use their lol.

If anybody is interested, this list won New York States

3 Trinket Mage
3 Frost Titan
1 Grave Titan

4 Jace the Mind Sculptor
2 Jace beleren
4 Preordain
4 Mana Leak
1 Stoic Rebuttal
1 Negate
2 Into the Roil
3 Doom Blade
1 Disfigure
1 Consuming Vapors
1 Memoricide
1 Brittle Effigy
2 Everflowing Chalice
1 Elixir of Immortality

4 Creeping Tar pit
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Darkslick Shores
3 Swamp
6 Island
3 Tectonic Edge
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs

Sb

3 Flashfreeze
2 Negate
2 Spell pierce
1 Dispel
1 Jace Beleren
2 Memoricide
1 Doomblade
2 Disfigure
1 Nihil Spellbomb


Thats it...