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Switch to Forum Live View 9/20/2010 Feature: "September 20 2010 DCI Banned & Restricted List Announcement"
3 years ago  ::  Sep 17, 2010 - 2:20PM #1
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Feature Article, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 17, 2010 - 2:36PM #2
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Baseless Predictions!

Standard:
  • no changes
Extended:
  • a slight possibility of a card being banned because its obvious hoser was lost when the format was gutted.
  • another slight possibility of a card being unbanned because its obvious enabler was lost when the format was gutted.
  • a slightly less slight possiblity of a card being banned because something in Scars makes it awesome.
Legacy:
  • no changes
Vintage:
  • a generally weak blue library-manipulation card gets restricted for no obvious reason, most likely Preordain .
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 17, 2010 - 5:41PM #3
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Maybe Mystical Tutor will get unbanned in Legacy

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 11:39AM #4
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Sep 17, 2010 -- 2:36PM, Qmark wrote:

Extended:

  • a slight possibility of a card being banned because its obvious hoser was lost when the format was gutted.
  • another slight possibility of a card being unbanned because its obvious enabler was lost when the format was gutted.
  • a slightly less slight possiblity of a card being banned because something in Scars makes it awesome.


If you have any specific cards in mind for those slots, now's the time to put your predictions on record!

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 12:16PM #5
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Sep 18, 2010 -- 11:39AM, quadibloc wrote:

Sep 17, 2010 -- 2:36PM, Qmark wrote:

Extended:

  • a slight possibility of a card being banned because its obvious hoser was lost when the format was gutted.
  • another slight possibility of a card being unbanned because its obvious enabler was lost when the format was gutted.
  • a slightly less slight possiblity of a card being banned because something in Scars makes it awesome.


If you have any specific cards in mind for those slots, now's the time to put your predictions on record!




:P my bet is that some random faerie gets banned such as pestermite XD

legacy gets banned from offical tournaments, and vintage gets played more *shudders....

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 9:15PM #6
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Sep 18, 2010 -- 11:39AM, quadibloc wrote:

Sep 17, 2010 -- 2:36PM, Qmark wrote:

Extended:

  • a slight possibility of a card being banned because its obvious hoser was lost when the format was gutted.
  • another slight possibility of a card being unbanned because its obvious enabler was lost when the format was gutted.
  • a slightly less slight possiblity of a card being banned because something in Scars makes it awesome.


If you have any specific cards in mind for those slots, now's the time to put your predictions on record!


I'm not as familiar with the format as I should be.  #1 and #2 are just vague cynicism, and #3 is a blantant jab at Tinker getting axed just before DSC appeared.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 18, 2010 - 9:47PM #7
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On the predictions.

Sep 17, 2010 -- 2:36PM, Qmark wrote:

Baseless Predictions!

Standard:

  • no changes




Obviously not now that the format is changing, but a month later, when Standard goes back to its tiny card pool and it becomes a 1 - deck format again, people will be wondering why they didn't ban anything and Wizards ultimate proof of nonbrokeness will be the Do you like Standard? poll at the end of the column.


Extended:

  • a slight possibility of a card being banned because its obvious hoser was lost when the format was gutted.
  • another slight possibility of a card being unbanned because its obvious enabler was lost when the format was gutted.
  • a slightly less slight possiblity of a card being banned because something in Scars makes it awesome.




This is really interesting because the banning of Sword of the Meek showed a change from their usual laissez faire policy and the banning of Hypergenesis, a lower tolerance to combo. If they stay true to this changes, then I really hope that Bitterblossom gets banned because no one really wants to get back to the state of 4 Stags, 4 Fallouts in the SB. There's nothing banned that survives the rotation, so option two is not valid (the most close card is Punishing Fire, but it actually underperformed in Berlin and loses Grove of the Burnwillows). About a preemptive banning, that's uncertain but the most likely case could be Etherium Sculptor


Legacy:

  • no changes
Vintage:
  • a generally weak blue library-manipulation card gets restricted for no obvious reason, most likely Preordain .




Imagine if Sensei's Divining Top got banned... it would be coherent with the Extended banning, yet it would infuriate the jaded Legacy farts even if at the end it weren't that big of a deal, which is what happened with Mystical tutor.

If Limited gets in the way of printing good Constructed cards...

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 6:43AM #8
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Sensei's Divining Top got banned in Extended because it slowed the format down too much (at least according to FTV Exiled).  Vintage and legacy are already full of cards that search through or manipulate the library so a ban of Sensei's Divining Top would be pointless for the reason it was banned in Extended.  That doesn't mean that it won't get banned/restricted for other reasons.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 12:05PM #9
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I don't know. Shahrazad is the one card not an ante card nor a dexterity card to get banned even in Vintage, not just Legacy. It seems to me that Sensei's Divining Top could arguably be considered a candidate for the same treatment.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 12:47PM #10
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Sep 19, 2010 -- 12:05PM, quadibloc wrote:

I don't know. Shahrazad is the one card not an ante card nor a dexterity card to get banned even in Vintage, not just Legacy. It seems to me that Sensei's Divining Top could arguably be considered a candidate for the same treatment.




Shahrazad  makes you play an entire GAME in order to resolve it.  Having to play an entire game to resolve a single card would take too long in most tournament settings.   Sensei's Divining Top
just has you manipulate the top three cards of your library every turn.  While the Top does slow things down, it wouldn't slow things down enough to warrant a banning in formats that are known to be relatively fast.

Also, SDT has been legal in Vintage and Legacy for years, why would they all of the sudden ban it?  I highly doubt that it has all of the sudden become a key piece of tech for some type of Vintage deck.  Although I could be wrong since I don't follow Vintage too closely.  This site doesn't seem to talk about Vintage very much and I don't know any other site that does. 

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