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Sep 13, 2010 - 11:46AM
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No ability or effect is overpowered, all that matters is whether it is costed correctly.
An argument could be made that it changes the flavour of the game however.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 11:50AM
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I have seen how Contagion Clasp in the Tez vs Elspeth deck made the artifact deck become IMO a joke that every turn counters were put on far too many card and was just a distraction and made me disintrested in following everything my opponent was doing.
I managed to win the game but it felt like I was playing a card game and my opponent was playing a game involving distributing lots of counters.
Due to this rule I have decided not to buy a single card from this expansion and also leaving the game for good as it ruins the dynamics of the plainswalkers as you can get them to ultamate a lot quicker while still boosting oher stuff on the way.
Contagion clasp would only not be broken in my opinion is if the creature that is is put on once it is destroyed the clasp also is removed from play.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 11:51AM
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No ability or effect is overpowered, all that matters is whether it is costed correctly.
Dredge cards are still insane even without a mana cost.
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So, how would I use a card that has a large  in the top half and "sui?l? -- pu?? ?is?q" across the middle?
Winning is not important if:
1. You win by a blowout.
2. You pay billions of dollars in cards to win. If you like wasting money just to win one game, while you could have saved it to lose a few and end up winning more in the future, then it is fine by me.
what?
do you ceremonially light your deck on fire after a win?
Or did no one notice Transmogrifying Licid  before. (And by not notice, I mean covered their ears and shouted LA LA LA LA  )
Hmmm...
I think the most awkward situation at the moment is simply the Myr Welder / Equipment / Licid / Aura craziness, but I'm pretty sure he's aware of it.
If the most awkward thing going on right now involves Licids, I declare victory.
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I don't think there are any cards like that.
There are things that prevent you from activating activated abilities, things that increase their cost, and things that counter them, but I don't think anything triggers from them specifically.
There are things that trigger from targeting, so that might be relevant, but I can't think of anything that triggers from targeting a player.
I'm almost positive there's nothing that triggers from damage being prevented.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 12:07PM
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No ability or effect is overpowered, all that matters is whether it is costed correctly.
Dredge cards are still insane even without a mana cost.
Would Stinkweed Imp  be played at   ? Maybe.
What if it only cost one card to dredge back? Unlikely.
Dredge may not technically have a cost in the rules sense, but there are other costs besides mana costs.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 12:07PM
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Sure, by cost I meant in the general sense, not just mana cost. I meant the overall difficulty of using the card/ability taking everything into account.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 12:21PM
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I have seen how Contagion Clasp in the Tez vs Elspeth deck made the artifact deck become IMO a joke that every turn counters were put on far too many card and was just a distraction and made me disintrested in following everything my opponent was doing.
I managed to win the game but it felt like I was playing a card game and my opponent was playing a game involving distributing lots of counters.
Due to this rule I have decided not to buy a single card from this expansion and also leaving the game for good as it ruins the dynamics of the plainswalkers as you can get them to ultamate a lot quicker while still boosting oher stuff on the way.
Contagion clasp would only not be broken in my opinion is if the creature that is is put on once it is destroyed the clasp also is removed from play.
And there you have it. Preconstructed decks are very casual, and are often imbalanced. I remember distinctly having an evening of games with a mate using the Chandra Vs Jace ones, and it was ridiculous how strong the Jace deck is compared to the Chandra one. That doesn't mean that any one card in that deck is overpowered or ridiculous; it just means that deck tends to run better than the other.
In my own testing, I've won about half my games using a UW control deck with 2 to 3 Contagion Engines, and the same with a red control deck using 2 Engines and Koth to Slaverlock. With just planeswalkers it isn't broken. Similarly, you'd need a lot of counters to make it broken with creatures (having said that, it'll be quite strong in artifact builds next to Steel Overseer  , or weenie builds next to Ajani Goldmane  ). Right now, the biggest impact I see it having is with poison, as it's definitely the hardest counter to get rid of ( Leeches  anyone?), and infect is going to make them much easier to apply in the first place.
Powerful? Yes. Broken? Probably not, but we'll see soon enough.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 12:24PM
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Please remember to keep posts on topic. This forum is for Rules Q&A. If you want to discuss power levels and flavor, take the discussion elsewhere.
Thanks.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 9:57AM
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As the other player, I must say it is nice to be vindicated. Although the answer was never really in question (it was just a case of "RTC"  ).
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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
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That makes no sense to me.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 1:05PM
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I have seen how Contagion Clasp in the Tez vs Elspeth deck made the artifact deck become IMO a joke that every turn counters were put on far too many card and was just a distraction and made me disintrested in following everything my opponent was doing.
I managed to win the game but it felt like I was playing a card game and my opponent was playing a game involving distributing lots of counters.
Due to this rule I have decided not to buy a single card from this expansion and also leaving the game for good as it ruins the dynamics of the plainswalkers as you can get them to ultamate a lot quicker while still boosting oher stuff on the way.
Contagion clasp would only not be broken in my opinion is if the creature that is is put on once it is destroyed the clasp also is removed from play.
That's abit rough man I do worry about how much stronger plainswalkers will be with it and favoring Blue/White plainswalker heavy decks....But you should atleast wait and see before leaving the game..
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