Please read below the definition of Proliferate I am debating with another magic player if this ability will work on plainswalkers loyalty counters?
The text below is the explination of the power but it says (so far, poison counters are the only counters players can get) and then talks about charge counters on artifacts.
So does this ability work on plainswalkers or say fro instance as a card like captivating vampire that gives all vampires +1/+1 is that a counter on the vampires and can that be proliferated? If this is the case I think this ability will be the downfall of the game as it will be abused by every power gamer and it will be who ever gets this ability into play first will have a drastic advantage on there opponant it just seems too powerful.
To proliferate, choose any number of players and/or permanents that each have at least one counter of any type. Each player chosen gets a counter of a kind that player has (so far, poison counters are the only counters players can get). Put a counter on each permanent chosen this way of a kind that permanent already has.So if a creature already has one or more -1/-1 counters on it, you can put another one on it when you proliferate, accelerating the infection. If an artifact already has one or more charge counters on it, you can put another charge counter on it, but you can't put a charge counter on an artifact that doesn't have one already. You can even choose to put more -1/-1 counters on your opponents' creatures while leaving your own creatures with -1/-1 counters on them alone, or give your opponent a poison counter without giving yourself one.
However, Captivating Vampire gives all creatures +1/+1 as a static ability. This does not involve counters.
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[02:47:46] It doesn't merely "come out of suspend" - you take the last time counter off, and then suspend triggers and say "now cast that! CAST IT NOOOOOW!" [02:47:49] Because suspend has no indoors voice
[10:11:33] !opalescence [10:11:33] Opalescence {2WW} |Enchantment| Each other non-Aura enchantment is a creature with power and toughness each equal to its converted mana cost. It's still an enchantment. · Reserved,UD-R,Vin,Leg,Cla,USBC [10:11:51] *sigh* [10:12:10] Otecko: Do you have a question about Opalescence? [10:12:17] sure [10:12:23] $10 on humility interaction [10:12:25] :P [10:12:29] :D [10:12:47] humility + opalescence put into play by replenish
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There are things that prevent you from activating activated abilities, things that increase their cost, and things that counter them, but I don't think anything triggers from them specifically.
There are things that trigger from targeting, so that might be relevant, but I can't think of anything that triggers from targeting a player.
I'm almost positive there's nothing that triggers from damage being prevented.
(so far, poison counters are the only counters players can get)
Where is the problem? So far, there does not exist a way to put any kind of counters on players other than poison counters. Planeswalkers are not players, if that's the problem.
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2. You pay billions of dollars in cards to win. If you like wasting money just to win one game, while you could have saved it to lose a few and end up winning more in the future, then it is fine by me.
what?
do you ceremonially light your deck on fire after a win?
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[02:47:46] It doesn't merely "come out of suspend" - you take the last time counter off, and then suspend triggers and say "now cast that! CAST IT NOOOOOW!" [02:47:49] Because suspend has no indoors voice
[10:11:33] !opalescence [10:11:33] Opalescence {2WW} |Enchantment| Each other non-Aura enchantment is a creature with power and toughness each equal to its converted mana cost. It's still an enchantment. · Reserved,UD-R,Vin,Leg,Cla,USBC [10:11:51] *sigh* [10:12:10] Otecko: Do you have a question about Opalescence? [10:12:17] sure [10:12:23] $10 on humility interaction [10:12:25] :P [10:12:29] :D [10:12:47] humility + opalescence put into play by replenish
You are totally awesome. Thank you so much. I hope you are able to dine in Paradise without kicking the bucket to actually get there, and that every dollar you ever make magically becomes two more.
There are things that prevent you from activating activated abilities, things that increase their cost, and things that counter them, but I don't think anything triggers from them specifically.
There are things that trigger from targeting, so that might be relevant, but I can't think of anything that triggers from targeting a player.
I'm almost positive there's nothing that triggers from damage being prevented.
So just to get this straight any card that mentions counters can be Proliferated?
You can choose to use proliferate on any number of permanents or players. The only card (as far as I know) that mentions counters that does not interact with proliferate is Lightning Storm .
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2. You pay billions of dollars in cards to win. If you like wasting money just to win one game, while you could have saved it to lose a few and end up winning more in the future, then it is fine by me.
what?
do you ceremonially light your deck on fire after a win?
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[02:47:46] It doesn't merely "come out of suspend" - you take the last time counter off, and then suspend triggers and say "now cast that! CAST IT NOOOOOW!" [02:47:49] Because suspend has no indoors voice
[10:11:33] !opalescence [10:11:33] Opalescence {2WW} |Enchantment| Each other non-Aura enchantment is a creature with power and toughness each equal to its converted mana cost. It's still an enchantment. · Reserved,UD-R,Vin,Leg,Cla,USBC [10:11:51] *sigh* [10:12:10] Otecko: Do you have a question about Opalescence? [10:12:17] sure [10:12:23] $10 on humility interaction [10:12:25] :P [10:12:29] :D [10:12:47] humility + opalescence put into play by replenish
You are totally awesome. Thank you so much. I hope you are able to dine in Paradise without kicking the bucket to actually get there, and that every dollar you ever make magically becomes two more.
There are things that prevent you from activating activated abilities, things that increase their cost, and things that counter them, but I don't think anything triggers from them specifically.
There are things that trigger from targeting, so that might be relevant, but I can't think of anything that triggers from targeting a player.
I'm almost positive there's nothing that triggers from damage being prevented.
So just to get this straight any card that mentions counters can be Proliferated?
The permanents don't have to "mention" counters in their text, that's actually irrelevant as far as this is concerned. They just have to have a counter of some sort on them. So a Tundra Wolves with a +1/+1 counter on it can be chosen, and another +1/+1 counter may be put on it. A Vivid Crag with no charge counters on it cannot be chosen.
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So just to get this straight any card that mentions counters can be Proliferated?
You can choose to use proliferate on any number of permanents or players. The only card (as far as I know) that mentions counters that does not interact with proliferate is Lightning Storm .
Also anything with suspend. When they're in the exile zone, suspended cards aren't permanents. If they would a permanent on the battlefield, they're a permanent card in the exile zone.
This ability ruins the game for me then as it detracts from a card game and makes it into a game based on boosting things up with counters and this is a very broken rule spoils what was a dynamic fun game
I don't think you can say a mechanic is going to break the game open until you see how it interacts with said game. I'll tell you that right now, having tested it a bit, it is a very powerful mechanic, but at the same time, it's pretty expensively costed.
The cheapest proliferate cards right now are Thrummingbird and Throne of Geth. These cost 2 mana each. Thrummingbird can proliferate repeatedly, but needs to actually get through to do so. Throne of Geth can also do it repeatedly, but sacrifices are required. At 3 mana you get Steady Progress which is a fairly decent card - proliferate and a card draw - but it requires a deck slot, and would probably need some strong counter presence on the battlefield to have an impact.
The repeatable proliferates on things such as Contagion Clasp, Contagion Engine and Prototype Portal + Throne of Geth are a lot more expensive. 4 mana for proliferate (or double proliferate) for the contagion cards is pretty expensive and can slow you down, unless you manage to get an Everflowing Chalice or two out. The Throne of Geth combo requires you to get two cards out, and then 2 mana a turn.
It's definitely a strong mechanic that should see play in many a format. But I wouldn't say it changes the game as intensely as you're indicating it will.
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