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Garmichael
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September 8, 2010 5:54 PM PDT
This thread is for discussion of this week's Top Decks Article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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Pegaweb
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September 8, 2010 9:12 PM PDT
KOTH = King of the Hill...on a planeswalker that deals with mountains.Your pun has been decoded by Inspector Owl. `|:>
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Raedien
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September 8, 2010 9:15 PM PDT
YES!
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Ribos
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September 8, 2010 9:18 PM PDT
Well done, good sir.I've just gotta say this: [c]Valakut, The Molten Pinnacle[/c].Suddenly, Mountains.dec seems more viable. The emblem ability will give red decks all the late-game gas they need. What I particularly like about Koth, though, is that
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funkyfritter
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September 8, 2010 9:22 PM PDT
I guess wizards got tired of having a top tier archetype without any chase mythics in it. They really pumped up the power level on this guy.
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PlatinumPersecutor
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September 8, 2010 9:28 PM PDT
He's really underwhelming. Like Sarkhan, he'll do great as long as your deck has multiples. But if you only have one, he's not going to work too well. Also, as it's been stated, he really needs to be in a mono-red/artifact deck to work extremely well
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DragonMudd
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September 8, 2010 9:42 PM PDT
Let's try that again:-5: [c]Hecatomb[/c] for mountains. (Without the cost and can't be disenchanted.)Seriously, when the effect has already been put on a card, why try to contort a different card? Just because you feel the need to call out a card
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RPGsr4me
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September 8, 2010 10:15 PM PDT
Wow. Ironically he fits right into a deck I was just making.
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ZursApprentice
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September 8, 2010 10:24 PM PDT
I think some of you might be high . . . this guy is ridiculous. I think he is the 2nd best PW (next to Jace). First of all, the plus ability is insane. Play him on turn 4, untap a mountain and swing, essentially with a 4/4 haste guy. 4/4 haste in
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wormmaster
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September 8, 2010 10:43 PM PDT
Red is by far me least favorite color in magic. Out of all of my standard, legacy, and edh decks (19) i have 3 decks with red in it, and one is pauper and the other is my dragon tribal deck.This guy gets my wheels turning for a mono red deck. Obvious
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Radio_Oasis
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September 8, 2010 11:37 PM PDT
hmm, I like him as an alternate win condition in scapeshift.
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godspeedyoublackelf
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September 8, 2010 11:47 PM PDT
My reaction to Koth: www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0MaZ1rdwwUReally, I doubt he's going to actually be that great in standard (more than willing to eat my words here), but I absolutely love the guy. Fantastic art, very flavorful abilities, badass name, an
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Qmark
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September 9, 2010 12:01 AM PDT
Possibly, but this guy needs to boot Chandra out of M12.
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LeafWheels
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September 9, 2010 1:21 AM PDT
So are emblems the new ultimate for Planeswalkers? I have to say, those kind of effects seem awfully annoying. There's no way to get rid of them, which makes their ultimate ability even more of a concession. I'm curious where the proposed line is dra
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Highwayman
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September 9, 2010 1:28 AM PDT
I often criticize Mike's thread for stepping around the mythification of standard and how each deck he drools over seems to run the same ridiculously expensive and hard to get mythics, and usually someone points out that RDW is a budget deck and runs
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Drecon84
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September 9, 2010 1:52 AM PDT
He doesn't have an ability to defend himself. This is the main weakness. Koth is one agressive dude. Usually you will play him mainly as a 4/4 haste dude in a very agressive deck. The third ability does almost always win the game. No doubt about that
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Falcon_Uk
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September 9, 2010 2:07 AM PDT
I agree with the others that if he gets his ultimate off the opponent probably only has about two turns to live. Fantastic card, I think will see plenty of play.
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alextfish
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September 9, 2010 3:12 AM PDT
(Congrats, forum admins, you've managed to break the forums on Chrome... AGAIN. One of these days I'll get tired of switching to Firefox and just give up visiting the forums at all. In case anyone cares, the error message is "Server Error in '/' Appl
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Warrior57
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September 9, 2010 3:32 AM PDT
Koth is inredible powerful, of course you need a mono-red deck, that should help keeping him balanced (and *maybe* not to expensive ).But on terms of powerlevel I hardly see any disadvantages. "He doesn´t defend himself" - really no problem for rd
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ninetailedfox
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September 9, 2010 5:42 AM PDT
This guy is kinda lackluster with [c]ball lightning[/c] and [c]hell's thunder[/c] variants out when alara rotates. I guess wizards wants to push big red instead of red burn.
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mellojoe
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September 9, 2010 8:02 AM PDT
The part I am excited about?Tap 4: Play him. +1: Swing at opponent's planeswalker for 4.Next turn. -2: Play something ridiculously over-the-top. Turn 5, with 3 mountains in play (nonbasics or off-color splash for the others) means you have 5 +
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chucklezdaccc
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September 9, 2010 8:05 AM PDT
He looks like fun. Cant wait to not see him in drafts. @ninetailedfox that signature is friggin great!!!
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JaxsonBateman
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September 9, 2010 8:11 AM PDT
He'll definitely be good. In standard it remains to be seen if he'll fit in anything other than a mid-range red deck, as it remains to be seen if getting an extra 4/4 (instead of just flat out casting a 4/4 for 4) and 1 or 2 [c]Prodigal Pyromancer[/c
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schrecklich
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September 9, 2010 8:43 AM PDT
Huh? This guy is ridiculous. If you want to complain about him, complain about how much he is going to cost on the secondary market. The only upside in that respect is that he needs to be played in near monored so he won't be as ubiquitous as J
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MadMageQc
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September 9, 2010 8:51 AM PDT
Which is fine by me. We sure can take some change in how monored is played, and Inferno Titan needs a home! As others mentionned, with the over-the-top mana accel Koth provides, Comet Storm might become viable. I can't help but want to tinker up a li
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Hu.475
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September 9, 2010 9:41 AM PDT
Koth makes red much better. You run this guy with a playset of fireballs. Its amazing. Turn 5 add 5 mana fireball for 9.
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Puppeteer_Master
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September 9, 2010 10:18 AM PDT
G/R eldrazi ramp? I think so
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Warrior57
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September 9, 2010 11:02 AM PDT
I believe Venser is overrated. He´s unreliable and depends to much on other permanents (mostly creatures) to have any kind of effect.5 mana to trigger a cip effect, which in the case of Wall of Omens is a simple "draw a card" is not very impressive
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Xactiphyn
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September 9, 2010 12:00 PM PDT
In any other set, I'd think the dependency on Mountains would be his undoing. However, this set is artifact based. That makes it much easier to be "mono" colored and much more likely this guy will be important.
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alpaca
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September 9, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
The ultimate sounds like an interesting fit for [c]Quest for Pure Flame[/c] - although at that point it might just be a "win more" condition. It could be awesome with proliferate to set up the ultimate on turn 5, if there's a good enough red prolifer
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Amarsir
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September 9, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I'd say it's a little too soon to start making price calls. (And yet I'm about to.)Unlike the Jace situation, this is the first set of a 3-card block. So supply will keep coming for the entire year, and likely push prices down more and more until
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Torleep
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September 9, 2010 4:05 PM PDT
It's apparent this Hammer guy is gonna be a BOMB but I really disagree with the author on one point. [c]Sarkhan Vol[/c] is really not a bad card. I kinda like it. (his -2 with [c]Bazaar Trader[/c] is just hilarious!) It's purely opinion, of course, b
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quitequieter
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September 9, 2010 6:42 PM PDT
he's specifically referring to how the card has performed in standard. i like vol, too. he's been great in my cube!
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PlatinumPersecutor
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September 9, 2010 7:33 PM PDT
Huh? This guy is ridiculous. If you want to complain about him, complain about how much he is going to cost on the secondary market. The only upside in that respect is that he needs to be played in near monored so he won't be as ubiquitous as J
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greenmonk
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September 9, 2010 8:03 PM PDT
An important fact about Koth's Ultimate: since the mountains are dealing the damage, it's a colorless source and thus gets around alot of typical red hate. Having the Ultimate be an out to some of red's common weaknesses is a pretty nice perk. I c
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Hacimen
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September 9, 2010 8:48 PM PDT
Presales in the $40's, playsets going for $170. Best-case scenario is this buy not finding a deck for the same amount of time Lotus Cobra spent on the sidelines. Else, we got us a $50 card easily. Yeah, I won't be returning to Standard.Other than tha
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Ribos
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September 9, 2010 8:52 PM PDT
This is fairly irrelevant, but I just realized something silly:Koth Of The Hammer.KOTH. He acronyms his own name.
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Jankin
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September 11, 2010 11:50 AM PDT
+1 "Hey, more mana!" or "How do you feel about me playing a planeswalker, and hitting you in the face?"-2 "Hey, a lot more mana!" or "Hey, I just played a planeswalker, and I'm still going to hit you in the face."-5 "Hey, look what my mana can do!" o
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Hacimen
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September 11, 2010 1:00 PM PDT
So red can stil attack with its creatures while making sure nothing sticks around to block.
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jlowther
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September 11, 2010 1:02 PM PDT
So are they going to change [c]Chandra's Spitfire[/c] to Koth's Spitfire now or what?This guy is so sick. The -2 is a godsend for any number of burn spells. He already has a place in my Spitfire deck AND my [c]Fire Servant[/c] deck for either his man
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GreenBuster
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September 11, 2010 1:09 PM PDT
Actually, you can use the -5 ability to keep the field clear and attack for at least 4 every turn. All you have to watch out for are creatures with shroud, regenerators, high toughness creatures, or indestructible creatures.You could also splash g
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alpaca
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September 12, 2010 8:29 AM PDT
Which is especially sick because you can't use protection against red to protect from lands.
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Jneh
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September 13, 2010 3:31 AM PDT
GOAL