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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 12:23PM
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How would a creature enchanted with an aura with totem armor work out against Planar Cleansing 
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 12:30PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 18, 2009
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How would a creature enchanted with an aura with totem armor work out against Planar Cleansing
Read Hyena Umbra  's rulings. 6/15/2010: If a spell or ability (such as Planar Cleansing) would destroy both an Aura with totem armor and the permanent it's enchanting at the same time, totem armor's effect will save the enchanted permanent from being destroyed. Instead, the spell or ability will destroy the Aura in two different ways at the same time, but the result is the same as destroying it once. Planar Cleansing tries to destroy, simultaneously, both the creature and the aura.
The Totem Armor ability substitutes the "destroy that creature" event with "destroy this aura". Then, the aura is destroyed (twice) and the creature survives.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 12:32PM
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Jan 19, 2003
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How would a creature enchanted with an aura with totem armor work out against Planar Cleansing
Totem armor replaces the destruction of the creature with destruction of the aura, so all nonland permanents other than the creature will be destroyed, with the aura will be destroyed twice simultaneously (which is pretty much indistinguishable from being destroyed once)
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 12:39PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 17, 2005
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How would a creature enchanted with an aura with totem armor work out against Planar Cleansing
Totem armor replaces the destruction of the creature with destruction of the aura, so all nonland permanents other than the creature will be destroyed, with the aura will be destroyed twice simultaneously (which is pretty much indistinguishable from being destroyed once)
If I had something to regenerate auras, would the aura need to regnerate twice in this scenerio? Or just once?
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 12:45PM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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Only once. A single regeneration shield is enough to replace any number of simultaneous destructions. A more common example of this would be lethal damage + deathtouch.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 12:52PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 17, 2005
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Only once. A single regeneration shield is enough to replace any number of simultaneous destructions. A more common example of this would be lethal damage + deathtouch.
Can you point me to the rule that says that?
I found the one that covers deathtouch and lethal damage but that only applies to state based actions. Planar Chaos destroying something and Totem Armor destroying something are not SBAs, right?
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 12:58PM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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Ah, right. Good point. That does only apply to SBAs. With the Planar Cleansing + totem armor, you would need to regenerate the Aura twice to save it from destruction. That is, normally, Planar Cleansing does destroy the enchanted creature and destroy the Aura (and also destroy any other nonland permanents). Totem armor changes this to destroy the Aura and destroy the Aura. Regeneration changes this to tap the Aura (it can't be in combat and can't have damage on it) and destroy the Aura. It would still end up destroyed, unless you get a second regeneration to also replace the other destruction.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 1:02PM
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Sep 17, 2005
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Thanks for the explanation.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 1:08PM
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Yep, it would need to regenerate twice, which is why i said it was "pretty much" indistinguishable from being destroyed once. It's not completely indistinguishable 
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3 years ago ::
Aug 27, 2010 - 1:15PM
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Since we're on the subject of regenerating twice: I know a Masticore  only has to regenerate once from Akroma's Vengeance  . What about Decimate  ? There's still only one verb, but if you target the masticore as the creature and the artifact, does it have to regenerate twice?
All Generalizations are Bad
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