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3 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2010 - 11:05PM #51
Lobo1216
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2010
Posts: 78
Thanks for the reply. I borrowed the geopede from the other long thread, and he works well early. I dont know what to replace the oracle with. I like the Obstinate Baloth idea as it is two fold, but sadly I dont have any. Maybe I will buy some this week.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2010 - 12:37AM #52
Zesty
Date Joined: Aug 5, 2010
Posts: 48
I'd take out the Oracles and Harrow replace with 4 Geopede and 4 Obstinate Baloth. Geopedes are awesome early game, Obstinate Baloth is great against RDW and Jund but is also useful as a 4CMC creature and then Primeval Titan obviously makes this deck. I'm currently running the following creatures:

4 Plated Geopede
4 Obstinate Baloth
4 Rampaging Baloths (I'll put in Primeval Titan once I get  a playset)
3 Avenger of Zendikar

This may be a bit creature heavy but I've thought about maining Summoning Trap to make it worth it. I may even take out the 3 Avengers for Trap because I'll still have 12 creatures and the Baloths may be better considering I've seen a lot more decks playing Pyroclasm in the sideboard which may destory the plant tokens if used early.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2010 - 8:34AM #53
Lorrdian_Jedi
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2009
Posts: 732
11 mountain
3 teramorphic
3 evolving wilds
1 raging ravine
5 forest
4 valakut


2 mitotic slime
2 Seige gang
2 Avenger of Zendikar
4 Primeval Titan
2 Summoning Trap
2 Terrastodon
3 Harrow
3 Khalni Heart
4 Rampant Growth
4 Cultivate
1 Crystal Ball
4 Bloodbraid Elf



2-2 tonight. Dropped a Ravine for another tap fetch. seemed more consitent.

MD Dons and took out bolts. Added slimes. Don Locked up games when he landed. Slimes were good value, and caused white to ramp me.


Lost to an infinite mana deck. G1 he banefired me. G3 he martial couped for a 1000. I had so wished for a pyroclasm at that point. I wanted to punch him in the face. He ran around like an idiot yelling, I can't believe I 4-0'd with infinite mana! hahaha I'm awesome!

That loss, caused me to play Soul Sisters.

Pridegoyf getting to 7/7 before my titan even got out just made my cry inside, and regret moving LB to the board this week. I had been convinced that LB does what val does and should be in the board. Next week they'll be MD again
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2010 - 6:46AM #54
siregar
Date Joined: May 14, 2010
Posts: 1,258

Aug 28, 2010 -- 8:33PM, Lobo1216 wrote:

First time poster here. I ran with the following deck at FNM and took second. It was far too slow, and I am planning to make some changes this week.

4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
3 Terramorphic Expanse
4 Raging Ravine
12 Mountain
3 Forest
2 Evolving Wilds

4 Khalni Heart Expedition
4 Cultivate
4 Harrow
2 Comet Storm
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Primeval Titan (one didnt show in mail)
3 Inferno Titan
2 Plated Geopede
4 Oracle of Mul Daya
2 Terastodon

The first set was against mono green eldrazi ramp. I walked all over him game one. Game two I forgot to put counters on the expedition while playing harrow. The next turn he got me with a big eldrazi, I cant remember. Game three was close, but he got Emrakul and game over.

Set two was 3/0

Set three was a little elf deck. I lost game two because he Terastodon'd my forests. With no luck on Ravine's he used Garruk to massacre me. I built this as an October legal deck, but it didnt work as well as it should have. I am going to pull the Terastodons and find room for some Explore.

A few notes here:

Comet storm saved me on multiple occasions. I really dont want to give it up MD, but to make room I may have to. I could also look at replacing the bolts, but again they helped me take out a Primeval or two.

The Geopede ruled. I think I used him for 3 kills total. He always seemed to show up in my hand first few turns and was very useful. I am really struggling to pull him out. I am going to 5 forests and pulling out 2 Raging Ravines, they are just too slow.

Here is my new idea:
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
3 Terramorphic Expanse
2 Raging Ravine
12 Mountain
5 Forest
2 Evolving Wilds

4 Khalni Heart Expedition
4 Cultivate
4 Harrow
2 Comet Storm
3 Lightning Bolt
4 Primeval Titan (one didnt show in mail)
3 Inferno Titan
2 Plated Geopede
4 Oracle of Mul Daya
4 Explore

Any thoughts? I found Harrow really helpful, but I didnt like sacking the land every time. It won a game by Valakut x3, Harrow, 18 damage.




No to geopede and mul daya.

This is a combo deck, not an aggro deck and geopede will not make this deck better. This deck is played like a control deck. We're not looking for a 3rd-4th turn kill here but rather to stall until we set everything up and kill in one stroke.

What you should do:

-4 oracle +3 avenger of zendikar
-2 geopede +3 siege-gang commander

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2010 - 4:24PM #55
Paetheus
Date Joined: Jul 27, 2010
Posts: 21

I will preface my post with the fact that i have just started playing again about 2 1/2 months ago after quiting in 1999.

I am trying to run a budget version of this deck as i am not going to spend much money on cards other than the random 2-3 packs i buy per week but have most of the essential cards(3 primeval's). Generally speaking, i have a few cards that i need more of but still decided to run them(AoZ, KHE, rampant growth) as is. I am picking up the extra KHE's and rampants in a few days.

Creatures
2 Oracle of mul daya -I see some ppl dont like these but im still on the fence
4 Siege-gang commander
3 Primeval titan
1 Avenger of zendikar -I only own 1 so i went with the next two cards as replacements
1 Gaea's revenge -Decided on this b/c of heavy UW control playerbase in my FNM
1 Terastodon

Spells
4 Lightning bolt
2 comet storm
2 Rampant growth -going to pick another 2 of these up
4 Explore
3 Harrow -This scares me a shade with all of the UW control in my FNM
4 Cultivate

Enchantments
1 Khalni heart expedition -working on the other 3 of this playset

Lands
2 Terramorphic expanse
3 Evolving wilds
1 Raging ravine -only own 1
1 Rootbound crag
5 Forest
12 Mountain
4 Valakut, the molten pinnacle

Sideboard- work in progress
1 tectonic edge -anti tec edge, UW control. should i just use the slimes for this?
1 terastodon -superfriends
1 cunning sparkmage -i dont own basilisk collar but no mythic conscription at my FNM. Lots of green aggro, though.
1 naturalize
2 Back to nature
2 combust
2 acidic slime
2 Fog
3 Dragon's claw - several RDW's running around. I went with these over pellaka wurm and don't own any Obstinate baloth's.


I only play at FNM, i dont play magic online so i cant really playtest this like i want to. Alot of UW control where i play b/c a few ranked players that have playsets of every card(im looking at you mind sculptor, elspeth, gideon, sun titan, and baneslayer).

Suggestions on the gaea's revenge. I like him b/c he has super shroud but not sure b/c he would get first striked by a baneslayer. Probably will keep b/c hopefully between combust, valakut, and LB i can keep the angels at bay.

Top decks are normally UW control(with full playsets of everything), RDW, and green aggro. Other decks are superfriends, several vampire decks, white knights, allies, soul sisters, a steel overseer/lich deck, and turboland. Random appearances by other decks like Boros.

All help or suggestions appreciated. Thanks

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 01, 2010 - 9:22PM #56
Lobo1216
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2010
Posts: 78
Allright, here is my new idea. I won't have too much time to play before SoM so I made it an (almost) October legal deck. I found the Ravines slowed me way down and this build seems to work better. The Oracles are not missed at all in here. I really miss the comet storms so may replace the Rampant Growth s with 2 Comet Storm and 2 more Avengers. I am a little unsure of the Inferno Titan's. They are great when they come in and have won me games, but I am missing the 5cc Seige Gang I think. Hopefully something good comes in Scars.

The sideboard is not complete. I am still working on that.

2 Evolving Wilds
6 Forest
13 Mountain
2 Terramorphic Expanse
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Explore
4 Khalni Heart Expedition
4 Rampant Growth
4 Cultivate
4 Harrow
3 Inferno Titan
4 Primeval Titan
4 Rampaging Baloths
2 Avenger of Zendikar

#60

Sideboard:


3 Lightning Bolt
2 Comet Storm
2 Naturalize
4 Pyroclasm
4 Obstinate Baloth
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 02, 2010 - 3:40AM #57
CyrusBales
Date Joined: Aug 30, 2007
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My friend 4-0'd FNM last night again. Since P. Titan was released, I think his worst record was 3-1. I'll grab his list off him and post it here.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 02, 2010 - 5:22AM #58
Paetheus
Date Joined: Jul 27, 2010
Posts: 21

Sep 2, 2010 -- 3:40AM, CyrusBales wrote:


My friend 4-0'd FNM last night again. Since P. Titan was released, I think his worst record was 3-1. I'll grab his list off him and post it here.




Preface, my decklist is a few posts up.

My biggest concerns with this deck(with no real playtesting) are RDW and U/W control as both have a strong showing at my FNM's.

My worries about RDW is the sheer speed of their decks as in my own personal playtesting, i dont normally get my valakut combo going until at least turn 5 and several of my area RDW have the capability to kill me by then. My sideboard consists of 3 Dragon's claw b/c i dont have any Obstinate baloth s right now.

My other concern are the decks that normally win FNM at my area, UW control with full playsets of every card in print. Im worried that i wont be able to land a single titan or beater with all of their counter magic and i am worried about them using their Tectonic edge 's on my Valakuts before i am able to win. My sideboard is mostly set up for anti UW control as i have 2 combusts, 1 autumn's veil, 2 back to nature, 2 acidic slimes, and 1 tectonic edge(subject to changes).

Looking for some tips from the pros and people that get to playtest alot with Magic: online. 

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 02, 2010 - 7:12AM #59
Devell
Date Joined: Mar 8, 2010
Posts: 1,124
There are a few ways to beat UW  control. You can just sand bag your valakuts to save them from tec edge or just pithing needle naming tec edge. Wait til you've got to 4 mountains with a KHE or two fully loaded and ready to go, then drop titan (preferrably with a ricochet trap or autumns veil in hand) Search up two valakuts, play 3rd from your hand and pop KHE for 18 damage. He'll have to answer P. Titan and 3 valakuts before you play another mountain or a rampant growth or a cultivate (you don't really wanna be playing harrow in this match up) UW gives you plenty of time to set up against them. With practice I don't think you'll struggle much in this matchup. Pyro's Ascension is a much tougher game however, it really can go either way in this one. Ricochet trap again is invaluable here, use it to steal time warps or force important spells through.

Hope this helps.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 02, 2010 - 8:12AM #60
Lorrdian_Jedi
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2009
Posts: 732
Testing Magma Phoenix

Results so far, have been.....fun.
"My name is Cael and Sonat Hedo-Lina of Lorrd. You killed my father, prepare to die!"
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