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3 years ago ::
Aug 22, 2010 - 6:46PM
#51
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P TITZ will always at least be able to get a full complement of manlands/utility lands, which is powerful in its own right!
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3 years ago ::
Aug 22, 2010 - 6:48PM
#52
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P TITZ will always at least be able to get a full complement of manlands/utility lands, which is powerful in its own right!
yeah like without that I mean
hm utility, yeah ok that's always in a set, and sets aren't always like the current meta with creatures
I want everything
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3 years ago ::
Aug 22, 2010 - 6:51PM
#53
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Oct 14, 2007
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But powerful lands exist in almost every format.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 22, 2010 - 7:34PM
#54
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Jan 29, 2006
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yeah basically I too closely analyzed with a limited environment in mind, with blocks and formats in mind it's more likely that primeval titan's tutoring is meaningful.
also it's possible I'm rating inferno over black due to my prefference for burn, so I'm trusting glux's card analysis to the point that this is now what I'm saying:
card analysis
black>red>green>blue>white
meta analysis
green>blue>red>white/black
if you look at the metagame though, red isn't popular currently, so
current meta
green>blue>white>black>red
(this last one is observational, as opposed to strength analysis, of the card popularity)
I want everything
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3 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2010 - 2:01AM
#55
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...And this entire thread turned into a paint-chip eating contest. I'll say it again - tiering them is beyond futile. The biggest reason P titan is the most expensive? He's a required 4-of in all of the decsk that run him. Sun Titan would have come close in terms of price if he wasn't the gameday promo. All the other titans are singletons or 2-ofs, barring unpopular rogue decks.
They are all playable, and their power level is directly correlated to the decks they are run in. Furthermore, any price fluctuations from this point on is entirely going to depend on the meta, not some nebulous ranking of their power.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2010 - 11:19AM
#56
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Aug 28, 2009
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Sun Titan is house in the blue/white deck... Like really brutal when it's bringing back a wall and drawing a card, or bringing back a tec edge to start f-ing up your mana base... Of course it only gets to be good because the deck controls the game before dropping the fat dude....
In meta, I would go
G/U/B/W/R
Green is in valakut and Legendary Green
Frosty is better than Primeval in Destructive Force (surprising but true), and is in some turbo-land variants where it's solid
Grave is amazing in Jund and Esper Control
Sun is in blue/white lists, but Grave is in lists that can beat Sun... Sun is okay in Naya but it's one of the boardable toolbox cards
Inferno is only played in Valakut as a multiple and in some builds of Naya as a 1-of. It's boardable because it's only relevant in aggro races.
Raw Power
B/U/R/G/W
Grave just is so hard to kill without card disadvantage when O-ring and Path rotate
Frosty beats any other titan, and most other big dude races...
Inferno burns out tiny dudes and kills planeswalkers
Primeval at it's worst just thins your deck out...
Sun is a resurrection machine... Which is WAY less cool than it sounds. Anything that gets better when stuff dies, isn't very good unless it's a Lhurgoyf (Terravore, Tarmogoyf)
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3 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2010 - 1:55PM
#57
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Oct 16, 2007
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WHO CARES THAT FROST TITAN BEATS OTHER TITANS?
lol my 6 drop beats your 6 drop!!
okay, cool, but my Doom Blade also beats your 6 drop. at instant speed. Nice tap effect.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2010 - 8:46PM
#58
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Jul 13, 2010
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WHO CARES THAT FROST TITAN BEATS OTHER TITANS?
lol my 6 drop beats your 6 drop!!
okay, cool, but my Doom Blade also beats your 6 drop. at instant speed. Nice tap effect.
But for 4 mana instead of 2!!! :DDDDD
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3 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2010 - 11:23PM
#59
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Apr 15, 2001
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I hate blue as much as the next man but Jace is fine right now. Banning after rotation may need to be an option as BBE rotates along with other cards. U/W loses path to exile and oblivion ring and that card from Alara that lets ou take control of spells on the stack so Eldrazi deks can probably hate that out.
Its plugging Jace into various aggro decks (G/u/x Vegevine and/or Fauna Shaman) I think will break him, or if the Venser planeswalker is any good. Standard is really good right now except for the stupid price of some of the mythics, as I can only afford X4 Prmeval titans and not X4 Jace. Sucks for poorer players unless you' happy playing red and pyromancers ascension if you cant afford Vengevines, Jace/P.Titan.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 24, 2010 - 1:48AM
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Its a legitimate complaint, perhaps not brilliantly articulated but certainly there's no need for all of the childish "waah complain more" comments.
It's rather limiting that so many of the top standard decks, not necessarily blue-centric ones either, need to run three or so copies of Jace, the first $100 card in standard since Black Lotus and a card that is next to impossible to trade for, to be performing at their best.
It means that NOT have access to this card, which many won't, equates with running a suboptimum version of your deck.
It would not be so irritating if it were restricted to a couple of archetypes, but Jace seems to make a strong case for almost every blue deck and a surprising number of otherwise blue-less decks. Case in point: I used to play a casual BUDGET Polymorph deck that took a few tier one decks out on sheer rogue-surprise. Now Jace has arguably made that deck tourney viable, but at the price of (a) the element of surprise and answers, and (b) pricing out the deck as a budget option (unless of course you enjoy playing suboptimum versions of your deck).
When chase mythics become as ubiquitous as mana fixers and utility spells like lightning bolt something is wrong.
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