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3 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2010 - 5:11PM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Limited Information, which goes live Tuesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2010 - 9:19PM
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I find it interesting that he omitted deathmark  in the last discussion. Is it somehow inferior to Combust  and Celestial Purge  ?
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3 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2010 - 9:20PM
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I disagree with your placement of Plummet in the sideboard compared to Celestial Purge or Combust in the main. If I'm playing or splashing green, I almost always mainboard my Plummets, because it is a rare deck in limited that doesn't have a couple of reasonable targets for plummet. Only green doesn't have a target at common. However, purge and combust both only target two colours. Hypothetically, that means that in any given match, they have a 2/3rds chance of having a relavant target (assuming the norm of a 2 colour limited deck). Plummet, however, will have a removable target at common in almost every matchup (apart from the rare mono-green or deck with no fliers). I've never been happy maindecking a colour hoser, while I've almost always been happy maindecking Plummet.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2010 - 9:59PM
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I have to agree with f_fivefiftyseven. It's to the point where I will actually (happily) hate on Plummets...and if I have enough, it's a great Sideboard option given a Terramorphic or something.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2010 - 10:40PM
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I find it interesting that he omitted deathmark in the last discussion. Is it somehow inferior to Combust and Celestial Purge ?
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Rarity = Common OR Uncommon Then they go through the list and give their off-the-cuff opinion on any that might get cast during a combat step. Done!
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3 years ago ::
Aug 10, 2010 - 12:23AM
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So let's talk about Diminish for a minute. It's posed some questions in some of my matches. I'm under the impression it only effects the power and toughness portion of the card. Meaning any static bonuses your creature gets such as from an enchantment or +1/+1 counters would stack upon the new power and toughness imposed by Diminish. Friends and opponents alike however have argued against me that it makes them a 1/1 regardless of any effects that do not resolve after Diminish has resolved. So say my Steel Overseer with 3 +1/+1 counters gets targeted by Diminish, is he now a 1/1 regardless, or is he still a 1/1 that has a constant +3/+3 bonus? A judge's input would be helpful, would like to finally put an end to any disputes in the final round of my drafts.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 10, 2010 - 12:44AM
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A 4/4. He's a 1/1, thanks to the spell, then the three counters give him +1/+1 a piece, thanks to the layers. Enchantments would also give him their +x/+x bonus, because they don't SET the power/toughness, just add/minus from it.
No discussion of the draft walkthrough yet? Next week then.
I don't like Combust or Celestial Purge in the main because if I haven't seen the right colours then I know I've got 2 blanks in game one against opponent X. Sure they have the colours it's great but risks consistency in game 1 for random awesome removal chances.
Plumet however I've heard many marvelous things about and is always with a target, though it's still probably not maindecked by me. Naturize never main, unless they bring out Crystal Ball, Triskelion, etc, esp Platinum Angel.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 10, 2010 - 2:44AM
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Well, what people seem to forget (and I don't know yet if it would change the math), is that if your opponent is playing with one of the colors that Combust/Celestial Purge can target, you probably have more targets in that game then Plummet can target. If you play 16 creatures, almost half of them are of one color. But a deck with 8 flyers seems rare to me.
So Plummet has more opposing decks with a target, but Combust/Celestial Purge has more targets in a deck with a specific color.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 10, 2010 - 3:13AM
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In numerous M11 games now I have only come across a handful where Plummet  would be a dead card whereas about 50% of the time a Combust or Celestial Purge would be a dead card. I will never main a colour specific card but will (now) maindeck Plummet.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 10, 2010 - 5:56AM
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I find it interesting that he omitted deathmark in the last discussion. Is it somehow inferior to Combust and Celestial Purge ?
yes, they are instants and deathmark is a sorcery, since the focus of this article is tricks and not removal, deathmark doesn't belong here.
And the poster above stating that only 50% of decks have blue or white for combust seems wrong.
There are 10 two colour combinations possible of these only RB, RG and BG have neither white nor blue, so 70% of decks should feature one of those colours, although this may be a little off as some combinations may be less desirable.
Although I'm not sure I would want to play a card that's dead in 30% of matches, it would have to be more than twice as good as the card it replaced which is never dead to be value. Purge probably is as it hits PWs and enchantments as well as creatures, but combust may not be.
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