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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 1:21PM
#11
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Date Joined:
May 14, 2010
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Big mistake by choosing not to play nantuko shade  . He's one of the best black creature at the moment. You can play him early as a removal shield for your titan and if he stuck around he'd be a beast later on. Definitely move your needles to SB and mainboard the shades.
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 1:38PM
#12
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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Alright. I decided to stop trying to work Persecutor and Lich into decks at the moment. Instead, I focused on just playing stand alone powerful cards that require no effort to build around. Here's where I ended up: // Lands
2 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
23 [DDC] Swamp (3) // Creatures
4 [M11] Nantuko Shade
3 [M11] Grave Titan
4 [ZEN] Vampire Hexmage // Spells
1 [M11] Haunting Echoes
2 [M11] Liliana Vess
1 [ROE] Consume the Meek
4 [M10] Tendrils of Corruption
3 [M11] Corrupt
3 [M11] Brittle Effigy
2 [M11] Crystal Ball
4 [M11] Doom Blade
4 [M11] Sign in Blood // Sideboard
SB: 3 [M11] Duress
SB: 2 [ZEN] Marsh Casualties
SB: 3 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 [M11] Deathmark
SB: 3 [M10] Pithing Needle
Discuss in any way whatsoever.
This is built to attack planeswalkers and all the WGr or WGu colored aggro lists. Jund is pretty shaky, but I'm less and less worried. I don't even give them much of a nod in the sideboard, just Deathmarks to flip for Doom Blades.
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"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance." - Laurence J. Peter "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.” - Oliver Wendell Holmes
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 1:42PM
#13
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Date Joined:
Jul 21, 2010
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I was looking for some synergy with the new cards. Made a sort of decklist, with explanation next to the cards general idea is: play mid range aggro black with card advan how about: 20 swamp 4 fetchlands (if 2 expensive cards are on top with dark Tut in play. 2 Basilisk Collar for the lich4 Crystal Ball for the lich and the tutelage4 Dark Tutelage card adv.2 Tendrils of Corruption - draw-pay life - remove threat - gain life 3 mind sludge - on of most expensive card, be carefull in combination with dark tut.2 corrupt - possible finisher
2 doom blade 2 disfigure 2 Gatekeeper of Malakir- shroud big creatures
2 vampire hexmage - vs planeswalkers 2 black knight vs white 2 bloodghast 4 Nantuko Shade heavy hitter4 Phylactery Lich heavy hitter and stayer
SB 2xblack knight 4x leyline ot void 4x death mark 1xmarsh casualties 4x duress decklist is not complete (can't view my deck right now) your opinions please. regards Bohr
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 1:45PM
#14
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Date Joined:
May 14, 2010
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Alright. I decided to stop trying to work Persecutor and Lich into decks at the moment.
Instead, I focused on just playing stand alone powerful cards that require no effort to build around.
Here's where I ended up:
// Lands
2 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
23 [DDC] Swamp (3)
// Creatures
4 [M11] Nantuko Shade
3 [M11] Grave Titan
4 [ZEN] Vampire Hexmage
// Spells
1 [M11] Haunting Echoes
2 [M11] Liliana Vess
1 [ROE] Consume the Meek
4 [M10] Tendrils of Corruption
3 [M11] Corrupt
3 [M11] Brittle Effigy
2 [M11] Crystal Ball
4 [M11] Doom Blade
4 [M11] Sign in Blood
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [M11] Duress
SB: 2 [ZEN] Marsh Casualties
SB: 3 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 [M11] Deathmark
SB: 3 [M10] Pithing Needle
Discuss in any way whatsoever.
This is built to attack planeswalkers and all the WGr or WGu colored aggro lists. Jund is pretty shaky, but I'm less and less worried. I don't even give them much of a nod in the sideboard, just Deathmarks to flip for Doom Blades.
Looked like a strong MBC list but no gatekeeper? That's one of our strongest removal don't you think?
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 1:49PM
#15
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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What do we need the Gatekeeper for?
With Effigy, nothing. And against a few important matchups the Gatekeeper just eats a bird, or a thrinax, or a goblin token... or an eldrazi spawn. He's pretty feeble when decks aren't just running out bomb after bomb. Hell, imagine how bad he is vs. Grave Titan.
Boasts?
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Designer of Top 8 States finishing MBC decks in 2011, 2010, and 2009
Standard Forum - Iron Deck Builder Season One Champ
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance." - Laurence J. Peter "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.” - Oliver Wendell Holmes
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 1:56PM
#16
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Date Joined:
May 14, 2010
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What do we need the Gatekeeper for?
With Effigy, nothing. And against a few important matchups the Gatekeeper just eats a bird, or a thrinax, or a goblin token... or an eldrazi spawn. He's pretty feeble when decks aren't just running out bomb after bomb. Hell, imagine how bad he is vs. Grave Titan.
Well in my deck he clears the path for the shade on turn 3 but you're right late game he's only useful to get rid of persecutors. The good thing about him is that he's also a chump blocker though.
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 1:57PM
#17
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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What do we need the Gatekeeper for?
With Effigy, nothing. And against a few important matchups the Gatekeeper just eats a bird, or a thrinax, or a goblin token... or an eldrazi spawn. He's pretty feeble when decks aren't just running out bomb after bomb. Hell, imagine how bad he is vs. Grave Titan.
Well in my deck he clears the path for the shade on turn 3 but you're right late game he's only useful to get rid of persecutors. The good thing about him is that he's also a chump blocker though.
Or he just turns on BBE cascade into removal quite often. My favorite way to play Jund used to be play nothing until after they cast BBE on 4. =)
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Designer of Top 8 States finishing MBC decks in 2011, 2010, and 2009
Standard Forum - Iron Deck Builder Season One Champ
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance." - Laurence J. Peter "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.” - Oliver Wendell Holmes
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 2:02PM
#18
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Date Joined:
May 14, 2010
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What do we need the Gatekeeper for?
With Effigy, nothing. And against a few important matchups the Gatekeeper just eats a bird, or a thrinax, or a goblin token... or an eldrazi spawn. He's pretty feeble when decks aren't just running out bomb after bomb. Hell, imagine how bad he is vs. Grave Titan.
Well in my deck he clears the path for the shade on turn 3 but you're right late game he's only useful to get rid of persecutors. The good thing about him is that he's also a chump blocker though.
Or he just turns on BBE cascade into removal quite often. My favorite way to play Jund used to be play nothing until after they cast BBE on 4. =)
Speaking of jund I have to do more testing with effigy  . I'm going to use that play too against jund, make them waste their cascaded removal :p
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 3:24PM
#19
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Date Joined:
Jun 12, 2009
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I like the Haunting Echoes in your list Niche.
Sometimes I forget that card exists. Soooooooort of useful right now probably...
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3 years ago ::
Jul 21, 2010 - 4:05PM
#20
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Date Joined:
Nov 25, 2009
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Alright. I decided to stop trying to work Persecutor and Lich into decks at the moment.
Instead, I focused on just playing stand alone powerful cards that require no effort to build around.
Here's where I ended up:
// Lands
2 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
23 [DDC] Swamp (3)
// Creatures
4 [M11] Nantuko Shade
3 [M11] Grave Titan
4 [ZEN] Vampire Hexmage
// Spells
1 [M11] Haunting Echoes
2 [M11] Liliana Vess
1 [ROE] Consume the Meek
4 [M10] Tendrils of Corruption
3 [M11] Corrupt
3 [M11] Brittle Effigy
2 [M11] Crystal Ball
4 [M11] Doom Blade
4 [M11] Sign in Blood
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [M11] Duress
SB: 2 [ZEN] Marsh Casualties
SB: 3 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 [M11] Deathmark
SB: 3 [M10] Pithing Needle
Discuss in any way whatsoever.
This is built to attack planeswalkers and all the WGr or WGu colored aggro lists. Jund is pretty shaky, but I'm less and less worried. I don't even give them much of a nod in the sideboard, just Deathmarks to flip for Doom Blades.
Questions: how do you think this list would do against those destructive force lists that are starting to pop up? I'm anticipating that coming into my fnm meta for at least a couple weeks because a few have placed recently.
Also, should there be a 3rd tec edge? I thought 3 was the right number.
If you have no turn 2 play other than hexmage, and you don't know their deck yet, do you play it and risk losing the hexmage?
Finally, I really like the sideboard, but could we make room for underworld dreams for, as you roughly put it in another thread, hilariously neutering the most expensive card in standard.
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