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Switch to Forum Live View 7/21/2010 BoaB: "Pyromancer Ascension"
3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 5:29PM #1
Garmichael
Date Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 9:16PM #2
PeterWiggin
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I like it
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 9:16PM #3
Kayril
Date Joined: Jul 5, 2010
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Uh..... unless Standard format change since i last stopped playing (2 years ago), its only the most recent Core set that's in it, making Time Warp not legal in that format.
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 9:16PM #4
cxeazn
Date Joined: Oct 21, 2007
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And Standard has changed since you last stopped playing!  M10 rotates out with Alara Block.
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 9:23PM #5
AH_Colonel_Coo
Date Joined: Jan 17, 2006
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Cutting most of the green was a deck idea I had posted on the old thread for this, but I had not gone all out to Blue-Red. 

I am not against it by any means, as one of our group has already cut the naya charm s and explore s in favor of call to mind and negate .  I think mana leak is a fine call, but seriously we don't have a problem going off between turn 5 and 7.  Turn 7 without explores allows an ascension to be cast with a Rebouding staggershock or survival cache while you could have 7 mana as early as turn 5 (unlikely).  negate was chosen because of turn count and mana available to your opponent over mana leak.  But to each his own.  You could easily set a PA out on turn 4 with protection of a counterspell. 

In our play I had one go out and off on turn 4 (5 mana) when by opponent trapped in a 9/9 terastadon knocking out my PA and my only plains and island.  3 turns later I was going infinite turns and won outright.
 
Against a lifegain deck I ended up dealing close to 100 points in 2 turns from returned bolts and staggershocks.  I think it was going to average to ~40pts per turn on each of my free turns.

I am still considering my sideboard options for this deck though.  The early version of this deck won every game 1 at a FNM (5 rounds), lost every game 2 and only won game 3 once.  (yes a 1-4 showing).  I am leaning to a transformer sideboard of some sort. 
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 10:06PM #6
Necr0mancer
Date Joined: Nov 14, 2002
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So, um, I see you taking infinite turns, and I see three opponents conceding to you but what I don't see is an actual win condition. Say I don't concede to you, what you lightning bolt me three times copied twice each? Cause I'm tempted to not actually concede and just let you deck yourself from the extra turns ...

What you need to do is move those Jace's into the main deck. You might dilute your instant/sorcery pool but then you're actually progressing your game with the extra turns, rather then just going around in circles.
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 10:07PM #7
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This deck seems to be rather strong and nice to play with. Too bad it will rotate after such a brief period of time.
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Jan 14, 2012 -- 5:42PM, Vektor480 wrote:

I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".


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Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:28PM, Qmark wrote:

Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:15PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.

Now, now.
1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".


Oct 11, 2011 -- 9:43PM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Oh, it's a brilliant plan.  You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat.  Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit.  He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee.  "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk.  He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy.  He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right.  Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms.
"THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!"

And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.


Feb 25, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Mown wrote:

Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.


Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:47PM, Qmark wrote:

Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:36PM, SleetFox wrote:

This thread has gotten creepy.  XP

Really?
Really?

The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?


Jun 26, 2011 -- 5:52AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:59AM, Mown wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:44AM, skeindubh wrote:


4 tropical island
4 savannah
4 bayou
4 taiga
4 savannah


Nice mana base.
Not really.



Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.


May 2, 2011 -- 8:18AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.


Apr 3, 2011 -- 1:39AM, DrWorm wrote:

Apr 3, 2011 -- 12:02AM, crazysamaritan wrote:

Of course, the best use [of tolaria west ] is transmuting for the real Tolaria.



Absolutely.  I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria , and I was finally able win my first game.


Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

WOAH

wait wait wait

Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated



OH MY GOD


Nov 22, 2011 -- 3:52PM, Pontiac wrote:

The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 8:55PM, Glasir wrote:

The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.


Jan 21, 2011 -- 7:11AM, Qmark wrote:


Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available.
"No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.


Jul 10, 2012 -- 11:28AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.



Aug 3, 2011 -- 6:46PM, ChaosLight wrote:

You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Oct 10, 2011 -- 5:53PM, Rubik wrote:

You just... Vektor it.


That's the answer to everything.


Jan 17, 2011 -- 6:16PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

Jan 17, 2011 -- 5:58PM, Ragnarokio wrote:


I think the problem is that you don't exist.


This would sound great out of context!


Dec 19, 2011 -- 9:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.


Aug 4, 2011 -- 2:15PM, Mown wrote:

Aug 4, 2011 -- 1:45PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:


I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.


You make it sound like that's still not the case.


Jan 4, 2011 -- 3:04AM, Niklor wrote:

Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.


Doug Beyer:

But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?


Mar 20, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Terti wrote:

Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :


Aug 15, 2011 -- 8:06PM, Veslfen wrote:

to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.


Aug 1, 2011 -- 12:35AM, Ragnarokio wrote:

when in rome RAPE AND PILLAGE


Jan 31, 2012 -- 11:23AM, TchainT wrote:

I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.


Dymecoar:

Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets.  You can do it...but why?


Omega137:

Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right."
Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"


Zigeif777:

Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.


Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:09AM, quadibloc wrote:

It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf , Darksteel Colossus , or Platinum Angel . It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus , Mox Sapphire , and Time Walk .


Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.


Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:11PM, Test-Subject_217601 wrote:

Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:06PM, NeoMint wrote:

I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...


They can when they're using lightsabers !


Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:59AM, Sebanovich wrote:

Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:54AM, Long_Con wrote:

My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days.  We named it Grixis, but it died. 


Unearth it!


Jan 15, 2011 -- 8:07PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

I'm a Da Vinci Neurok.





And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you?
Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now.
Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 10:30PM #8
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Jul 20, 2010 -- 10:06PM, Necr0mancer wrote:

So, um, I see you taking infinite turns, and I see three opponents conceding to you but what I don't see is an actual win condition. Say I don't concede to you, what you lightning bolt me three times copied twice each? Cause I'm tempted to not actually concede and just let you deck yourself from the extra turns ...

What you need to do is move those Jace's into the main deck. You might dilute your instant/sorcery pool but then you're actually progressing your game with the extra turns, rather then just going around in circles.



Once you get infinite turns, all you need is another Call to Mind or another active Ascencion. You can then return a Bolt and hit them for 6 every turn.

He mentioned needing a way to deal with Meddling Mage, and used a SB Burst Lightning as his solution. I noticed that this deck also doesn't have an answer to Leyline of Sanctity or Leyline of the Void once they're in play, which might be before you can counter them. I might recommend running one Into the Roil or something over the SB Burst since it too can deal with Meddling Mage in addition to dealing with Leylines. Other than that, I'd say it looks pretty solid. Maybe they'll reprint Time Warp in Scars.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 10:45PM #9
Me77oi
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2005
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any chance you could post a non budget version lol?
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 20, 2010 - 10:46PM #10
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Jul 20, 2010 -- 10:06PM, Necr0mancer wrote:

So, um, I see you taking infinite turns, and I see three opponents conceding to you but what I don't see is an actual win condition. Say I don't concede to you, what you lightning bolt me three times copied twice each? Cause I'm tempted to not actually concede and just let you deck yourself from the extra turns ...




The win is from Call to mind + lightning bolt + time warp all copied. 


The deck has 2 big problems.  The first one is that time warp is going.  The second one is with leyline of sanctity and leyline of the void.  I don't know if the black one is going to be played at all, but the white one will definitely.  Then it's an auto loss if they get it in their opening hand.  Seriously, they could sideboard in 4 and mulligan to one card if they have to and then automatically win as there is no answer here.  Your win condition becomes 4 lightning bolts to the face with the black one out and none with the white one.  Might I suggest making a one-of into the roil to deal with the problem?  Or maybe a 1 Emrakul?  15 mana isn't going to be a problem when you have infinite turns.  Take out a foresee

As always, add money to the deck by putting in Scalding Tarn.  I think it is a very fine deck though and has some real potential for the next few months.  Shame that Time Warp is gone, hope something says "extra turn" in Scars!  Otherwise, this deck loses nothing.

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