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Switch to Forum Live View 6/30/2010 BoaB: "A Case for Combo"
3 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2010 - 11:49PM #11
morticianjohn
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First Boab article dedicated to extended in months. I guess when they give you a preview card that doesn't work well in standard this is what happens. Without storm a turn 1 Bop or llanowar elves is almost always going to be better than this for enabling combos. I guess desperate ritual , and pretty much every ritual printed to date were just too good so now we have the worst ritual in history.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 1:05AM #12
Cerelius
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Oh nice, a strictly worse Desperate Ritual.  Well, at least we know that the spells aren't having the same power creep as creatures.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 2:03AM #13
Newbunkle
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The art makes this strictly better than Desperate Ritual.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 4:59AM #14
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I'm happy to see another option for Extended and Classic, but this is going nowhere in Limited.

Jun 29, 2010 -- 9:59PM, Lina_Inverse wrote:

Or i could drop an elf or bird turn 1......




Acceleration that your opponent can counter with Lightning Bolt are not that great.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 5:02AM #15
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Jun 30, 2010 -- 4:59AM, lathspel wrote:

I'm happy to see another option for Extended and Classic, but this is going nowhere in Limited.

Jun 29, 2010 -- 9:59PM, Lina_Inverse wrote:

Or i could drop an elf or bird turn 1......





Acceleration that your opponent can counter with Lightning Bolt are not that great.




Acceleration that your opponent can counter with negate isn´t that great either..

you see, a moot point.

R is already running our of steam too fast in standard, with Firewalker, 4 toughness walls and Baneslayers turning the game around everywhere you go.

Unless we get some good 3-4 costed Red BOMBS for constructed, this will see NO PLAY.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 5:12AM #16
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Personaly, I find it quite natural that this card got printed. It really feels like the true fixed Dark Ritual , in the correct place in the color wheel and with the correct mana cost, without the rarely useful, unprintable-in-core-sets Arcane mechanic of Desperate Ritual. It's not very impressive, but I'm confident that it will find a place.

It kinda is a shame that Time Spiral block, which on its lonesome gives Pyretic Ritual so much usefulness, rotates so fast, but oh well. After that, the only remaining true combo deck I can think of will be Scapeshift , which is good and on the other hand not too hard to fight (especially for the Faerie Boogeyman), but some more variety in combo would have been nice. We'll see what comes next.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 6:38AM #17
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Jun 30, 2010 -- 5:12AM, MadMageQc wrote:

Personaly, I find it quite natural that this card got printed. It really feels like the true fixed Dark Ritual , in the correct place in the color wheel and with the correct mana cost, without the rarely useful, unprintable-in-core-sets Arcane mechanic of Desperate Ritual. It's not very impressive, but I'm confident that it will find a place.

It kinda is a shame that Time Spiral block, which on its lonesome gives Pyretic Ritual so much usefulness, rotates so fast, but oh well. After that, the only remaining true combo deck I can think of will be Scapeshift , which is good and on the other hand not too hard to fight (especially for the Faerie Boogeyman), but some more variety in combo would have been nice. We'll see what comes next.




It would not have overpowered this card to give it scry 1 since scry is in the current set. The fact that you could splice desperate ritual onto another one meant that you really didn't need any other arcane spells in the deck to give it that extra usefulness. In my version of the lava spike / izzet guildmage / desperate ritual deck I played a couple of blaze because there were many games where I just couldn't stick a creature and I could just cast the lava spike 's I drew and then when I hit 6 mana with 2-3 desperate ritual in hand I could usually blaze for the win.

If you're looking for a "fixed" dark ritual look no further than coldsnap's rite of flame . They are both 1 cmc. rite of flame was never overpowered. All in red is the deck that best utilized both rite of flame and desperate ritual and that deck was not overpowered. My conclusion is that pyretic ritual is too underpowered to be a "fixed" anything. This is a card that needs fixing.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 8:24AM #18
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you must really feel bad as you had to review that awful card. you try really hard but everybody knows the card is crap
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 9:53AM #19
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The obvious problems are that they apparently think we're idiots and forgot all about Desperate Ritual (wasn't Arcane/Splice supposed to imply a penalty?), and that this isn't even close to enough to get R&D's overt nudge towards 'big red' off the ground.

Seething Song would have been much better than a weak Kamigawa card made weaker.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 30, 2010 - 10:37AM #20
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My guess is they're trying to find the line where simple cheap fast mana spells are just barely playable--not good enough to be in most decks or warp the format in the way Dark Ritual did, but good enough to be used in the decks that get extra value out of ritual-type spells. Say, Kiln Fiend combo. Their first attempt was Seething Song , but that tended to be used in non-combo decks to accellerate into fat during its time in Standard; Desperate Ritual was another attempt, and wasn't really all that playable...until it found a deck that really wanted it in Extended. Jackpot!

So they're trying it again with a reprintable version, and if it works they can use it as a new baseline.
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