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3 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2010 - 5:25PM #21
SternJudge
Date Joined: Feb 25, 2010
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Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.




I agree with you that this combo is pretty unlikely to see any (successful) tournament play, but I do have to take slight issue with your statement that combo decks never rely on creatures. Combo Elves won a Pro-Tour pretty recently...

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2010 - 8:57PM #22
bughferd
Date Joined: Jan 2, 2008
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Jul 2, 2010 -- 5:25PM, SternJudge wrote:

Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.




I agree with you that this combo is pretty unlikely to see any (successful) tournament play, but I do have to take slight issue with your statement that combo decks never rely on creatures. Combo Elves won a Pro-Tour pretty recently...





I'm sorry combo decks that can win on turn 2 are allowed to use creatures.

And it's said that youth's ,well only tragedy
Is being unoriginal


Sep 5, 2011 -- 5:45AM, catowner wrote:

niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK!

"ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day ..."
"MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2010 - 11:22PM #23
sacub13
Date Joined: Dec 16, 2008
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i agree with bughferd, this combo isnt going to be consistent enough to see much play at all. you give up consistency, speed, and alot of your power in the hopes that you will be able to get a turn 4 emrakul. 

that being said, ive been testing an elf deck that uses mosswort bridge to cheat out emrakul to some success, but the difference is that the entire deck is built to mana ramp up to that level. and even then, ive tested the same list using the slots saved for emrakul for other beatdown cards, and its much better.  
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 03, 2010 - 3:50AM #24
BeforeCalvin
Date Joined: Oct 27, 2008
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Heights+Procession is used in tight aggressive decks to get free card advantage/pour on more pressure through the cheating of various Anthem effects/Ajani Goldmane/Overrun (in the G/W lists).

This necessitates you having a very tight, aggressive LIST.

If you're diluting your deck with a bunch of combo pieces just so you can MAYBE put Emrakul under Windbrisk Heights and THEN try to swing with 3 Spectral tokens I would like to tell you that you're doing it wrong. You'll be spending all that time trying to set up the combo while all the Jund, Naya, and better tokens lists are going to run you right over. 

Then there's the issue of actually maintaining three creatures on the board. As soon as Windbrisk Heights comes down, people typically make it priority uno to keep you off three creatures.

It all seems very cute in theory, and I'm sure it's a fun deck to goldfish with, but when you're forced to Heights and you see Ponder, land, land, Preordain instead of Goldmane/Overrun, land land you're going to cry 
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 11, 2010 - 6:42AM #25
Sarge41
Date Joined: Jun 12, 2008
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Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:



If I really have to explain why building a deck idea off of multiple if situations like if I have 3 creatures if they live to to attack if I have a hideaway if I have a elderazi in the top 4 and if while you are doing all this which has no impact on the board almost you some how don't lose then congratualions you won.

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.





This. Quite simply, this deck is too slow and too many if statements. Your deck is fine for casual play but I seriously doubt ill be scared of heights flipping over emarkul.

P.S. Bughferd you play LoL?

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 11, 2010 - 9:08PM #26
bughferd
Date Joined: Jan 2, 2008
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Jul 11, 2010 -- 6:42AM, Sarge41 wrote:

Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:



If I really have to explain why building a deck idea off of multiple if situations like if I have 3 creatures if they live to to attack if I have a hideaway if I have a elderazi in the top 4 and if while you are doing all this which has no impact on the board almost you some how don't lose then congratualions you won.

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.





This. Quite simply, this deck is too slow and too many if statements. Your deck is fine for casual play but I seriously doubt ill be scared of heights flipping over emarkul.

P.S. Bughferd you play LoL?


Yes quiet a lot actually.




And it's said that youth's ,well only tragedy
Is being unoriginal


Sep 5, 2011 -- 5:45AM, catowner wrote:

niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK!

"ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day ..."
"MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 22, 2010 - 9:44PM #27
febbstalicious42
Date Joined: Sep 16, 2008
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Jul 11, 2010 -- 9:08PM, bughferd wrote:

Jul 11, 2010 -- 6:42AM, Sarge41 wrote:

Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:



If I really have to explain why building a deck idea off of multiple if situations like if I have 3 creatures if they live to to attack if I have a hideaway if I have a elderazi in the top 4 and if while you are doing all this which has no impact on the board almost you some how don't lose then congratualions you won.

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.





This. Quite simply, this deck is too slow and too many if statements. Your deck is fine for casual play but I seriously doubt ill be scared of heights flipping over emarkul.

P.S. Bughferd you play LoL?


Yes quiet a lot actually.







ME TOO! I've been playing since public beta first opened up.

Real men hold shift.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 23, 2010 - 8:51PM #28
bughferd
Date Joined: Jan 2, 2008
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Jul 22, 2010 -- 9:44PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jul 11, 2010 -- 9:08PM, bughferd wrote:

Jul 11, 2010 -- 6:42AM, Sarge41 wrote:

Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:



If I really have to explain why building a deck idea off of multiple if situations like if I have 3 creatures if they live to to attack if I have a hideaway if I have a elderazi in the top 4 and if while you are doing all this which has no impact on the board almost you some how don't lose then congratualions you won.

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.





This. Quite simply, this deck is too slow and too many if statements. Your deck is fine for casual play but I seriously doubt ill be scared of heights flipping over emarkul.



P.S. Bughferd you play LoL?


Yes quiet a lot actually.







ME TOO! I've been playing since public beta first opened up.





Been playing a couple months season one really has me down through whats your username also?

And it's said that youth's ,well only tragedy
Is being unoriginal


Sep 5, 2011 -- 5:45AM, catowner wrote:

niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK!

"ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day ..."
"MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 24, 2010 - 11:00AM #29
febbstalicious42
Date Joined: Sep 16, 2008
Posts: 6,873

Jul 23, 2010 -- 8:51PM, bughferd wrote:

Jul 22, 2010 -- 9:44PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jul 11, 2010 -- 9:08PM, bughferd wrote:

Jul 11, 2010 -- 6:42AM, Sarge41 wrote:

Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:



If I really have to explain why building a deck idea off of multiple if situations like if I have 3 creatures if they live to to attack if I have a hideaway if I have a elderazi in the top 4 and if while you are doing all this which has no impact on the board almost you some how don't lose then congratualions you won.

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.





This. Quite simply, this deck is too slow and too many if statements. Your deck is fine for casual play but I seriously doubt ill be scared of heights flipping over emarkul.



P.S. Bughferd you play LoL?


Yes quiet a lot actually.







ME TOO! I've been playing since public beta first opened up.





Been playing a couple months season one really has me down through whats your username also?





lord kratos

Real men hold shift.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 24, 2010 - 12:20PM #30
bughferd
Date Joined: Jan 2, 2008
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Jul 24, 2010 -- 11:00AM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jul 23, 2010 -- 8:51PM, bughferd wrote:

Jul 22, 2010 -- 9:44PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jul 11, 2010 -- 9:08PM, bughferd wrote:

Jul 11, 2010 -- 6:42AM, Sarge41 wrote:

Jun 30, 2010 -- 2:39AM, bughferd wrote:



If I really have to explain why building a deck idea off of multiple if situations like if I have 3 creatures if they live to to attack if I have a hideaway if I have a elderazi in the top 4 and if while you are doing all this which has no impact on the board almost you some how don't lose then congratualions you won.

I'm sorry if I don't give some detailed explination about why you are wrong but just accept that you are wrong and look at combo decks of the past and realize that none of them never rely on creatures  and all usually can either win or lock the game by turn 5-6 reliably which this can not.





This. Quite simply, this deck is too slow and too many if statements. Your deck is fine for casual play but I seriously doubt ill be scared of heights flipping over emarkul.



P.S. Bughferd you play LoL?


Yes quiet a lot actually.







ME TOO! I've been playing since public beta first opened up.





Been playing a couple months season one really has me down through whats your username also?





lord kratos




So thats who you are you added me as a friend and I just thought you were someone I played the night before with.

And it's said that youth's ,well only tragedy
Is being unoriginal


Sep 5, 2011 -- 5:45AM, catowner wrote:

niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK!

"ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day ..."
"MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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