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Switch to Forum Live View 5/26/2010 BoaB: "Surreal Ascension"
3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 4:47PM #1
Garmichael
Date Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 6:12PM #2
Radio_Oasis
Date Joined: May 29, 2009
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Who wants to bet this is Surreal memoir + Pyromancer Ascension ? Maybe Vengeful Rebirth as a finsher?
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 9:07PM #3
XTerTriSTL
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2009
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How is Time Warp a budget card? There used to be a price breakdown of the expensive cards, what happened to that? If I was going to spend 12-15 on a card I'd get some malestrom pulses and finish off my jund deck
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 9:16PM #4
JaketheLate
Date Joined: Dec 9, 2008
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huh, I honestly didn't think that the Time warp loop was possible, but if you did it on modo, I guess it is.
I would have killed, literally ended someones life, to NOT have Arrogant Bloodlord riding a giant ant...

Good times:
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but where DID the other fork come from?
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Lord_Zed:   
I was at my friends house when this happened. He's married and his wife was an excellent baker. She had baked a homemade apple pie the night before.

I was hungry, and my friend convinced me to try those low carb monster drinks. Before this day, I had never triend energy drinks before.

Boy was I in for a treat.

When I tried that first monster, I really enjoyed the flavor, but the taste that it left in my mouth wasn't so good. What was my solution? Drink another!

before I could finish drinking that 2nd monster, I felt it already kicking in(these drinks were not very far apart, we're talking minutes here) my friend decided that it was a good idea to whip out that fresh pie his wife made the night before. I didn't know what to do, since I felt incredibly invigorated, and at the same time, freaked out by the rush I was feeling, but I was also hungry, and my friend have me an entire plate with a fork and said "help yourself." He extended his saucer to me, and I cut him a piece of the pie and handed it to him, then I looked at the pie, noticed that the pie was in an aluminum holder, and dumped the entire pie onto my plate and started eating it with 2 forks. I don't know where I found that other fork, it probably came from my friend. Anyhow, his wife wasn't happy, and I was already in magical christmas land. 2 days later, I was in my friends bed and I slept for 14 hours.

His wife outlawed my from having any of her baked goods for a while(which sucked because I could just show up at there house, steal some sweets, and leave) and said I couldn't have any energy drinks at her house, unless under close watch.

My friend, on the other hand, had to take me out to a steak dinner, because apparently I won a bet where I climbed a tree and didn't die.

The great land debate:
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Feb 12, 2011 -- 7:31PM, alanwescoat wrote:

Zendikar had fetchlands, and Worldwake had manlands.  What are the new Scars duals called?



Feb 12, 2011 -- 8:56PM, Razorgore wrote:

Explosive Peanut Lightning lands. Well, that's just what I call them.




Mar 3, 2011 -- 12:54AM, Razorgore wrote:

Mar 2, 2011 -- 11:01PM, Burning_Forest wrote:

i'm just trying to figure out what the point of saying this is.  it's just really random.



And so the pot met the kettle.

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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 9:22PM #5
ShardFenix
Date Joined: Mar 2, 2005
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May 25, 2010 -- 9:16PM, JaketheLate wrote:

huh, I honestly didn't think that the Time warp loop was possible, but if you did it on modo, I guess it is.




well the time warp loop should be possible, but dont trust MODO...that thing is buggy as all!  Though I kinda have to agree, the deck looks meh.  Its not a bad idea, just infinite turn combos personally are lame, i prefer the one big turn combos, and again with time warp...the card is roughly 10-15 tickets a pop.  Sure its budget compared to the rest of standard but sadly i dont think a deck like this would survive past the first few rounds in an event anyways.

I like fun, but competitive decks.  So I might not play what is optimal but they have normally been tested to have a 2/3 winrate.
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 9:51PM #6
evanASF27
Date Joined: May 21, 2010
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I don't think Time Warp is a budget friendly card in the slightest, ATM. Going for *how* many tickets on MtGO, and *how* much money per single IRL? Granted it's better than asking for a fetch land or a planeswalker but... unless I see some more consistent playtest results, I don't know if I wanna buy 4 Time Warps just yet.

With that nitpick aside, I LOVE the idea of this deck. That ascension, I think, is one of the more underated (well, at least amongst my friends) and the use of rebound to get it going intrigues me ever so much. My main suspicion is the consistency of this deck plays, and my main gripe is Time Warp. *shrug*
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 10:07PM #7
Bamsen
Date Joined: May 26, 2010
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How does Survival Cache activate Ascension? Is it not still on the stack 2nd time it resolves?

Looks like a fun deck to me, though. 
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 11:13PM #8
Radio_Oasis
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If you have a survival cache already in the graveyard it activates for being cast when you cast it, and when it gets cast again on the upkeep.
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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 11:24PM #9
Dothar_Vahlin
Date Joined: May 28, 2009
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May 25, 2010 -- 11:13PM, Radio_Oasis wrote:

If you have a survival cache already in the graveyard it activates for being cast when you cast it, and when it gets cast again on the upkeep.




this is true for any rebound spell though, so I think he mentioned survival cache for this specifically because the first copy can potentially draw into the second copy.

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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 11:28PM #10
quetzilla
Date Joined: Jun 7, 2005
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Also, Naya Charm + Surreal Memoir can potentially get back any card in your graveyard every turn, assuming you dont have more than one or two instants in the graveyard.  Potential engine there (like the old hana kami / soulless revival engine from Gifts).
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