I prefer the new art - the clothes look more realistic now - more like a planeswalker looking for a modicum of practicalisty rather than just wantin to seduce the guys or whatever.
I prefer the new art - the clothes look more realistic now - more like a planeswalker looking for a modicum of practicalisty rather than just wantin to seduce the guys or whatever.
So logically based on today's Arcana Kazuul is only a 0/4 without his sword? Not so tough after all. lol
And that Elf in Ogre's Cleaver , I always thought she had her arms raised back because she was posed to strike, but now I see that what's really happening is she's just stuck like that because it's too heavy for her to swing forward!
And that Elf in [c]Ogre's Cleaver[/c], I always thought she had her arms raised back because she was posed to strike, but now I see that what's really happening is she's just stuck like that because it's too heavy for her to swing forward!
Why do you guys NEED to see her cleavage and why are you so upset when it is covered up? The card is still the same. It has the EXACT SAME abilities!
If you don't have a play set already I wouldn't see why getting one with a minor art tweak would be a big deal as it is the SAME CARD.
I definitely don't need to see her cleavage. In fact, all the random boobies hanging out has always made fantasy art really awkward for me... It turns what could be a cool or interesting picture into some kind of nerd-pornography, and I don't want to be a part of that.
It's just funny to me that they would cover it up, because now I can imagine Jaime Jones getting mad about them violating his artistic integrity and how the cleavage was put there not to be titillating, but to express the nuances of Nissa's character...
I definitely don't need to see her cleavage. In fact, all the random boobies hanging out has always made fantasy art really awkward for me... It turns what could be a cool or interesting picture into some kind of nerd-pornography, and I don't wan
Is it just me, or does anyone else see the absurdity in pointing out that a weapon printed on a card appears in the art of the character it belongs to who was printed in the previous set? I mean, after all, the flavor text on Ogre's Cleaver clearly states that "she adopted the weapon of the slave-lord Kazuul," showing that it is, indeed, Kazuul's weapon. Therefore, it seems absurd to react in any way remotely resembling surprise when we see Kazuul himself holding his cleaver. That'd be the equivalent of seeing Lincoln's tophat in a museum and then being shocked seeing him wearing it in a photograph.
Is it just me, or does anyone else see the absurdity in pointing out that a weapon printed on a card appears in the art of the character it belongs to who was printed in the previous set? I mean, after all, the flavor text on Ogre's Cleaver clearly s
Also, I think the biggest concern with the promotional Nissa Revane is that her art is a joke. All other planeswalkers, and most other promotional cards, have drastically different art when they have a special version released, just look at the differences between cards like Jace Berelen in Lorwyn/M10, the promotional Jace released with the book, and his release in the Jace VS Chandra deck. Look at the differences between Honor of the Pure as released in M10, and it's promotional version released with the booster boxes. None of these cards, and all of the other promotional cards released for any card, are copies of the original art with something new airbrushed in to prevent it from being an exact copy. The promotional Nissa, on the other hand, is just that. She is an exact copy of her original artwork, with the exception of clothing painted over her cleavage. It's kind of sad that we get such a poor example of a promotional card, when Wizards cannot even be bothered to commission new artwork for a deal they are promoting.
Also, I think the biggest concern with the promotional Nissa Revane is that her art is a joke. All other planeswalkers, and most other promotional cards, have drastically different art when they have a special version released, just look at the diffe
Also, I think the biggest concern with the promotional Nissa Revane is that her art is a joke. All other planeswalkers, and most other promotional cards, have drastically different art when they have a special version released, just look at the differences between cards like Jace Berelen in Lorwyn/M10, the promotional Jace released with the book, and his release in the Jace VS Chandra deck. Look at the differences between Honor of the Pure as released in M10, and it's promotional version released with the booster boxes. None of these cards, and all of the other promotional cards released for any card, are copies of the original art with something new airbrushed in to prevent it from being an exact copy. The promotional Nissa, on the other hand, is just that. She is an exact copy of her original artwork, with the exception of clothing painted over her cleavage. It's kind of sad that we get such a poor example of a promotional card, when Wizards cannot even be bothered to commission new artwork for a deal they are promoting.
QFT. Not that it's going to stop me from going down to pick mine up, of course, but compared to the promotional Garruks, this one is pretty dull. Would have loved seeing Nissa in a new pose, preferably in action in the woods, as seen at the start of itToA.
QFT. Not that it's going to stop me from going down to pick mine up, of course, but compared to the promotional Garruks, this one is pretty dull. Would have loved seeing Nissa in a new pose, preferably in action in the woods, as seen at the start of
The Iron Guardian Stirs is not a bad choice for a wallpaper, but there were many other options, and I doubt we'll get them since Wizards is unlikely to spend more than a week or two pimping this thing. Lack of a wallpaper based on Approach My Molten Realm, Bask in My Silent Awe, Surrender Your Thoughts, I Call on the Ancient Magics, Dance Pathetic Marionnete, Choose Your Champion, A Display Of My Dark Power, Nothing Can Stop Me Now, Behold the Power of Destruction and probably several others makes me sad.
Also, where are you lot getting the idea that Ancient Hellkite is worse than Flameblast Dragon? It's one pricier and one larger; it can't roast the opponent, but can roast multiple creatures in a single attack, ensuring that it's all but impossible to block it. I'd say they're about the same level of potency, save perhaps for the Flameblast being more multicolor friendly, which is logical enough since it was in Alara.
The Iron Guardian Stirs is not a bad choice for a wallpaper, but there were many other options, and I doubt we'll get them since Wizards is unlikely to spend more than a week or two pimping this thing. Lack of a wallpaper based on Approach My Molte
The Iron Guardian Stirs is not a bad choice for a wallpaper, but there were many other options, and I doubt we'll get them since Wizards is unlikely to spend more than a week or two pimping this thing. Lack of a wallpaper based on Approach My Molten Realm, Bask in My Silent Awe, Surrender Your Thoughts, I Call on the Ancient Magics, Dance Pathetic Marionnete, Choose Your Champion, A Display Of My Dark Power, Nothing Can Stop Me Now, Behold the Power of Destruction and probably several others makes me sad.
Also, where are you lot getting the idea that Ancient Hellkite is worse than Flameblast Dragon? It's one pricier and one larger; it can't roast the opponent, but can roast multiple creatures in a single attack, ensuring that it's all but impossible to block it. I'd say they're about the same level of potency, save perhaps for the Flameblast being more multicolor friendly, which is logical enough since it was in Alara.
the difference between 6 and 7 mana is quite a bit. The RRR in the casting cost and the R activation cost means you won't want to play this thing in anything besides mono red. Even if I was playing mono red I think I'd rather have flameblast dragon because it comes down a turn earlier and hits harder. Usually killing one blocker is enough for a 5/5 flying creature to get through and the ability to deal X to the opponent if necessary is what puts flameblast dragon over the top of ancient hellkite . In addition they are both super weak when compared with drana, kalastria bloodchief and it's not like she's breaking through in constructed. That is the real point. There are always going to be cards that are "worse" than other cards but to make one so glaringly obvious and promote that card in a theme deck and come to find out that the "better" versions of the card are mediocre at best, well, it's just sad.
the difference between 6 and 7 mana is quite a bit. The RRR in the casting cost and the R activation cost means you won't want to play this thing in anything besides mono red. Even if I was playing mono red I think I'd rather have [c]flameblast dra
Don't forget, the other reason to have nerfed dragons: so that when people play Baneslayer Angel, the dragon will seem even weaker and killable. Seems like every demon and dragon in recent sets has had an amusing inability to deal with the undercosted white flier (I own them and play them and laugh at how dumb I feel for having purchased them....). Remember, protection means cannot target! *stating the obvious*
On a new note, the message boards for Daily Deck List for Monday, June 21 lead me here, so a comment on the deck. Not bad at all. Played against versions of it before, and the player listed as piloting it. Glad to see he had some success! Nice one, James.
Don't forget, the other reason to have nerfed dragons: so that when people play Baneslayer Angel, the dragon will seem even weaker and killable. Seems like every demon and dragon in recent sets has had an amusing inability to deal with the undercoste
May be cool, but I can't imagine any burn that could justify that price tag, short of Grim Lavamancer.
I can imagine there would be enough decent lightning spells though, Lightning Bolt , Arc Lightning etc. But in order for the decks to be worthy of such a price tag, they both going to need 4 copies each of Furnace of Rath at least. I dont see this selling very well. Instead they should have done maybe a Fire vs Ice Duel deck, but just have some lightning spells in the fire deck. I doubt anyone would have cared that lightning isnt exactley fire.
I can imagine there would be enough decent lightning spells though, [c]Lightning Bolt[/c], [c]Arc Lightning[/c] etc. But in order for the decks to be worthy of such a price tag, they both going to need 4 copies each of [c]Furnace of Rath[/c] at least
Well, they are both electromagnetical discharges. The only difference is, is that lightning exist because of a difference in poles in the sky, and on the ground; while fire is a plasma (gas in a magnetic form). Because if that, they both leave burn marks: Lightning and Fire are closer than most people think. (YEah, they're exactly the same, as you said). Alright, alright, sorry. But I can't resist to explain such stuff, becoming a physics teacher. XD
On Topic: Seems like much fun. NEver say no to foil burn spells, burn rares, and new art-the one at the bottom is very likely going to be the one for Lightning Bolt. =D But the pricetag is indeed a bit too high, so I'm not going to get it... EDIT: On the other hand, it seems to hit to targets at once, and Lightning Bolt doesn't do that. Hmm...
Well, they are both electromagnetical discharges. The only difference is, is that lightning exist because of a difference in poles in the sky, and on the ground; while fire is a plasma (gas in a magnetic form).Because if that, they both leave burn ma
Premium Deck Series: mono red burn? I can't imagine what could go in it to make it interesting. Even more puzzling is: 6 rares? What rares would the deck play? Earthquake and Comet Storm maybe, but that would make the deck bad. (Mono red burn does not need 4 lands in play, and therefore it does not cast X spells.) And Comet Storm was already foiled. Hopefully they surprise me or prove my speculation wrong.
Premium Deck Series: mono red burn? I can't imagine what could go in it to make it interesting. Even more puzzling is: 6 rares? What rares would the deck play? Earthquake and Comet Storm maybe, but that would make the deck bad. (Mono red burn does no
I'd have included Urza's Rage but it was just released in PvtC, and I dont' think they'd reprint it again so soon.
Auto includes:[c]Chain Lightning[/c], [c]Char[/c], [c]Earthquake[/c], [c]Lightning Bolt[/c]Probably included:[c]Arc-Slogger[/c], [c]Banefire[/c] or [c]Demonfire[/c], [c]Ghitu Fire[/c]I'd have included [c]Urza's Rage[/c] but it was just released in
Chain Lightning is around 20$ on eBay right now, so it kinda justifies the price tag and I bet the new art by Christopher Moeller is exactly for it.
[card]Chain Lightning[/card] is around 20$ on eBay right now, so it kinda justifies the price tag and I bet the new art by Christopher Moeller is exactly for it.
Also, Card of the Day = facepalm. She is only an insect because MaGo or one of his goons failed to read her flavor text during the GCTU. And so naturally a novel-writer compounds the error. Unbelievable.
That crab-for-a-face thing is incredibly cute.Also, Card of the Day = facepalm. She is only an insect because MaGo or one of his goons failed to read her flavor text during the GCTU. And so naturally a novel-writer compounds the error. Unbeliev
Also, Card of the Day = facepalm. She is only an insect because MaGo or one of his goons failed to read her flavor text during the GCTU. And so naturally a novel-writer compounds the error. Unbelievable.
The Assassin's Blade, by former Continuity Editor Scott McGough, was published in 2002. The Grand Creature Type Update was in 2007.
The Assassin's Blade, by former Continuity Editor Scott McGough, was published in 2002. The Grand Creature Type Update was in 2007.
Also, Card of the Day = facepalm. She is only an insect because MaGo or one of his goons failed to read her flavor text during the GCTU. And so naturally a novel-writer compounds the error. Unbelievable.
The Assassin's Blade, by former Continuity Editor Scott McGough, was published in 2002. The Grand Creature Type Update was in 2007.
Okay, I stand corrected: the novel-writer failed to read her flavor text five years before the GCTU, and MaGo or one of his goons compounded the error. Good to know I correctly understand who screwed the pooch.
The Assassin's Blade, by former Continuity Editor Scott McGough, was published in 2002. The Grand Creature Type Update was in 2007.Okay, I stand corrected: the novel-writer failed to read her flavor text five years before the GCTU, and MaGo or one of
Okay, I stand corrected: the novel-writer failed to read her flavor text five years before the GCTU, and MaGo or one of his goons compounded the error. Good to know I correctly understand who screwed the pooch.
At the time Scott McGough wrote the novel, he was in charge of continuity and the storyline.
At the time Scott McGough wrote the novel, he was in charge of continuity and the storyline.
It's nice to see Igor's art continue to show up on cards. I remember when he was just an artist posting on the forums, asking how to get commissioned by Wizards. In fact, the art for Death Cultist and Demonic Appetite were both posted by Igor on the forums before he ever got contacted to make art for Magic cards.
It's nice to see Igor's art continue to show up on cards. I remember when he was just an artist posting on the forums, asking how to get commissioned by Wizards. In fact, the art for [c]Death Cultist[/c] and [c]Demonic Appetite[/c] were both posted b
Is this ****ing April 1st?!!!That was almost 3 months ago guys!This is honestly the stupidest idea ever, WotC!Those art are horrible.I'm glad it's really limited and i Japan only.Thumbs down!
I am amused by this. And I think the anime style art looks kinda neat [I would have tried to read scans of the manga, but since it's apprently the same plot as the book, I sppoes I could just read that instead].
Though I am reminded of that old article which eitehr announced the duel decks originally, or announced they had new art or something? Where the announcer just went "Jace! Chandra! JACE! CHANDRA!" ...yeah, I'm now imaginging that happening in anime form.
I am amused by this. And I think the anime style art looks kinda neat [I would have tried to read scans of the manga, but since it's apprently the same plot as the book, I sppoes I could just read that instead].Though I am reminded of that old articl
I'm glad it's really limited and in Japan only. Thumbs down!
The Arcana says that it will be released worldwide in limited quantities. Near as I can tell, worldwide means everywhere. Depending on your tastes, you might either want to try and get a pre-order going at your local shop, or stay away from card shops on the third of December.
Side note, my birthday is December 2nd, so I might try to snag one as a present for myself.
The Arcana says that it will be released worldwide in limited quantities. Near as I can tell, worldwide means everywhere. Depending on your tastes, you might either want to try and get a pre-order going at your local shop, or stay away from card shop
Magna magic, worst idea possible. I hope Magna never finds its way into sets. That'll be the set I'll skip if it ever happened. Heck, I wouldnt want the magna versions of Jace and Chandra if they were offered to me for free, yet alone pay for them.
Epic!Fail!Magna magic, worst idea possible. I hope Magna never finds its way into sets. That'll be the set I'll skip if it ever happened. Heck, I wouldnt want the magna versions of Jace and Chandra if they were offered to me for free, yet alone pay f
Wow, the new Jace and Chandra look awesome. I wish you guys would use this artist on regular cards. A lot of the artists you use here are just plain crap! You've got some greats like Wayne Reynolds and Greg Staples, but there are a lot more you could do without. I really hate blurry and dark art on my cards. Use this guy in future please!
Wow, the new Jace and Chandra look awesome. I wish you guys would use this artist on regular cards. A lot of the artists you use here are just plain crap! You've got some greats like Wayne Reynolds and Greg Staples, but there are a lot more you could
Magna magic, worst idea possible. I hope Magna never finds its way into sets. That'll be the set I'll skip if it ever happened. Heck, I wouldnt want the magna versions of Jace and Chandra if they were offered to me for free, yet alone pay for them.
Please, don't act as if you couldn't spell "manga" correctly.
I sincerely respect and love regular Magic art as well as respect and love anime/manga.
But come on, that's all wotc found: lousy sub pokemon and yu-gi-oh style of art?
There were hundreds more interesting anime/manga style than this bull.
Please, don't act as if you couldn't spell "manga" correctly.I sincerely respect and love regular Magic art as well as respect and love anime/manga.But come on, that's all wotc found: lousy sub pokemon and yu-gi-oh style of art?There were hundreds mo
Please, don't act as if you couldn't spell "manga" correctly.
I sincerely respect and love regular Magic art as well as respect and love anime/manga.
But come on, that's all wotc found: lousy sub pokemon and yu-gi-oh style of art?
There were hundreds more interesting anime/manga style than this bull.
I'll act as I want, I'm entitled to my opinion as a paying customer. I dont, nor have I ever liked the magna style of art, it's just not my cup of tea. That is my opinion, if other people like it, that is good for them, I'm not fussed. I just hope it never finds it's way into sets. It'll wreck the fantasy setting for me.
I'll act as I want, I'm entitled to my opinion as a paying customer. I dont, nor have I ever liked the magna style of art, it's just not my cup of tea. That is my opinion, if other people like it, that is good for them, I'm not fussed. I just hope i
Just for the record, Magic and Manga are my major two hobbies, so I like the try of putting those two together for this.
But I wouldn't want all Magic art to be stylized like that. "Regular" Magic art is as good as it can get.
All cards in Japanese is even more of a selling point for a student of that language like me.
I just hope I can get my hands on that one!
Awesome!Just for the record, Magic and Manga are my major two hobbies, so I like the try of putting those two together for this.But I wouldn't want all Magic art to be stylized like that. "Regular" Magic art is as good as it can get.All cards in Japa
The new Jace doesn't look bad, but Chandra has been horribly over-kawaiified. Also, why exactly is an Arcana slot being wasted on an announcement that only matters to the Japanese? Okay fine, I'm glad I saw the art, but still, it feels like a lack of content for my American self.
@ Legendary Name: "Magna" aside, I agree that this art style, whether it's done well or poorly, is not right for the mainstream of Magic art. But then, I'd prefer not to have Richard Kane-Ferguson's highly stylized art in there either, and many of my fellow MTG grognards consider him one of the best artists ever to work on the game. There are many different tastes and it's impossible to please everyone. In an ideal world, I'd want Wizards to divide Magic up into sets which appeal to different tastes, on the assumption everyone would only buy the sets they like - this would obviously be business suicide, so I'm not wanting them to actually do it, but it doesn't mean I can't be a trifle disappointed at the reality of their attempt to please most of the people most of the time. Obviously, I'd be happier if they could please me and everyone else all the time, and it could happen in theory, just not in practice.
The new Jace doesn't look bad, but Chandra has been horribly over-kawaiified. Also, why exactly is an Arcana slot being wasted on an announcement that only matters to the Japanese? Okay fine, I'm glad I saw the art, but still, it feels like a lack
So... Did anyone else think of Inquest the instant they read this?
I didn't - can you explain what you meant?
Also, to clarify my post above - I am a fan of manga and anime, I just don't think that they're fitting for Magic. Sure, if one or two manga-ka who have fairly "straight" art styles (the guy who does Berserk, for instance; there isn't much of the field's usual tropery there) got hired into Magic's art stable, I'd be cool with that, but the "big eyes small mouth" look, the motion blurs, to say nothing of the shouted catchprases (in flavortext, presumably) - none of these belong in my Serious Business. These illustrations don't suffer much from Japanese Stylistic Exagerration Syndrome, but the colors are painfully bright and look somehow less realistic than Richard Thomas's and Quinton Hoover's art styles to me. I would not want these to form a significant portion of the game's artistic landscape.
I didn't - can you explain what you meant?Also, to clarify my post above - I am a fan of manga and anime, I just don't think that they're fitting for Magic. Sure, if one or two manga-ka who have fairly "straight" art styles (the guy who does Berser
The new Jace doesn't look bad, but Chandra has been horribly over-kawaiified. Also, why exactly is an Arcana slot being wasted on an announcement that only matters to the Japanese? Okay fine, I'm glad I saw the art, but still, it feels like a lack of content for my American self.
Agree. The Chandra doesn't reflect the original one at all. The Jace does, and yet looks manga-esque.
Its only 2 cards, and there's an uproar? Its not like they're doing this all the time.
Apparently JvC and the comics were a hit in Japan. That's the only reason why WotC decided to do this. Japanese cards mean its obvious who's the target market. They released it worldwide because they know there are some manga lovers out there.
Agree. The Chandra doesn't reflect the original one at all. The Jace does, and yet looks manga-esque.Its only 2 cards, and there's an uproar? Its not like they're doing this all the time.Apparently JvC and the comics were a hit in Japan. That's the o
I'd utterly love to get the manga versions of Jace and Chandra. I wouldn't want that style art in a normal set, but for a promo product like this? Utterly awesome. It's just a pity Jace's original planeswalker card is so meh, but I much prefer Chandra's original card to Chandra Ablaze, so I guess it balances out.
I'd utterly love to get the manga versions of Jace and Chandra. I wouldn't want that style art in a normal set, but for a promo product like this? Utterly awesome. It's just a pity Jace's original planeswalker card is so meh, but I much prefer Chandr
I'll act as I want, I'm entitled to my opinion as a paying customer. I dont, nor have I ever liked the magna style of art, it's just not my cup of tea. That is my opinion, if other people like it, that is good for them, I'm not fussed. I just hope it never finds it's way into sets. It'll wreck the fantasy setting for me.
Glad you understand. Let the paying customers and the eventual secondary market price of these alternate versions determine whether it's epic fail or win.
Also, why exactly is an Arcana slot being wasted on an announcement that only matters to the Japanese?
Here in Europe we love to play with unreadable-but-exotic Asian/Russian cards, deck pimps can't do without. It's not like that in America?
Glad you understand. Let the paying customers and the eventual secondary market price of these alternate versions determine whether it's epic fail or win.Here in Europe we love to play with unreadable-but-exotic Asian/Russian cards, deck pimps can't
Also, why exactly is an Arcana slot being wasted on an announcement that only matters to the Japanese? Okay fine, I'm glad I saw the art, but still, it feels like a lack of content for my American self.
Is this a serious complaint?
First of all, this announcement obviously doesn't only matter to the Japanese, as evidenced by the comments on this thread, so it wasn't a wasted slot.
Secondly, you're actually whining that one Arcana slot was targeted more at non-US players? There have been many Arcana that are literally applicable only to US players - I'm specifically thinking of the contests Wizards runs. I have no problem with Wizards doing things especially for other markets. Seriously, you are way too self-centered.
Is this a serious complaint?First of all, this announcement obviously doesn't only matter to the Japanese, as evidenced by the comments on this thread, so it wasn't a wasted slot.Secondly, you're actually whining that one Arcana slot was targeted mor
I really don't like Anime at all... but, I want this new Jace and Chandra. The alt art is so silly, but it would make all the little fanboy's at the local FNM go crazy, so I want them.
Actually, could you imagine how cute Bottle Gnomes would be done up in Anime style? I would like to see an alt art version of those little guys. You know you do!
I really don't like Anime at all... but, I want this new Jace and Chandra. The alt art is so silly, but it would make all the little fanboy's at the local FNM go crazy, so I want them.Also, a japanese [c]Ancestral Vision[/c] and [c]Quicksilver Drag
Also, why exactly is an Arcana slot being wasted on an announcement that only matters to the Japanese? Okay fine, I'm glad I saw the art, but still, it feels like a lack of content for my American self.
Is this a serious complaint?
First of all, this announcement obviously doesn't only matter to the Japanese, as evidenced by the comments on this thread, so it wasn't a wasted slot.
Secondly, you're actually whining that one Arcana slot was targeted more at non-US players? There have been many Arcana that are literally applicable only to US players - I'm specifically thinking of the contests Wizards runs. I have no problem with Wizards doing things especially for other markets. Seriously, you are way too self-centered.
Take your
By the way, I liked the Jace version a lot, but Chandra just isn't Chandra. It isn't bad, but it's way too different. Jace was at least kept similar to the original.
Is this a serious complaint?First of all, this announcement obviously doesn't only matter to the Japanese, as evidenced by the comments on this thread, so it wasn't a wasted slot.Secondly, you're actually whining that one Arcana slot was targeted mor
So... Did anyone else think of Inquest the instant they read this?
I didn't - can you explain what you meant?
Damn, I figured more people on the boards read Inquest -_-
Basically during the height of the Anime craze in America Inquest ran an april fools joke about how Wizards was making an anime version of a core set for the younger crowed. Funny thing is from what I recall they also used the generic, brightly colored, big eyes (ect...) art style that wizards decided to go with.
I didn't - can you explain what you meant?Damn, I figured more people on the boards read Inquest -_-Basically during the height of the Anime craze in America Inquest ran an april fools joke about how Wizards was making an anime version of a core set
But come on, that's all wotc found: lousy sub pokemon and yu-gi-oh style of art?
There were hundreds more interesting anime/manga style than this bull.
Agree here unfortunately. Should've been something more unique to Magic.
If they really wanted to do this, why not get the guy who did the Death Note animé to do it?
Or how about the Hellsing OVA? THAT was kick-ass.
Agree here unfortunately. Should've been something more unique to Magic.If they really wanted to do this, why not get the guy who did the Death Note animé to do it?Or how about the Hellsing OVA? THAT was kick-ass.
...Chandra doesn't look like Chandra. Jace doesn't look like Jace. The arts better than Yugioh's but I refuse to buy this BS anime style crap like the Super Saiyan Jace they gave us last time these decks came out.
Wizards seems desperate for money to be cranking out product as much as they have been lately. I wish we were still just getting the expansions, so I wouldn't have so much crap being flung at me every month.
...Chandra doesn't look like Chandra. Jace doesn't look like Jace. The arts better than Yugioh's but I refuse to buy this BS anime style crap like the Super Saiyan Jace they gave us last time these decks came out. Wizards seems desperate for mo
Man, the Juggernaut art retrospective really reminds me why I like older art so much better. The original and Otarian versions look relatively "realistic" (except for the monsters, dwarves etc as subject matter) but the new ones just look like shiny rubbish piles. The M11 art is actually painful on my eyes
Man, the [c]Juggernaut[/c] art retrospective really reminds me why I like older art so much better. The original and Otarian versions look relatively "realistic" (except for the monsters, dwarves etc as subject matter) but the new ones just look like
If they really wanted to do this, why not get the guy who did the Death Note animé to do it?
Or how about the Hellsing OVA? THAT was kick-ass.
Well said my friend. Also, the Hellsing OVA wasn't kick-ass, it is kick -ass. It's not over yet, you know.
Ah, yes. Having just bought the last book of the manga (Which was the only one I could find...), I must say, though, that the last episode might be somewhat confusing. If it's in black and white, at least.
The new art shown in the Arcana looks silly. Not intimidating, not cool, just over-the-top silly.
Well said my friend.Also, the Hellsing OVA wasn't kick-ass, it is kick -ass. It's not over yet, you know. Ah, yes. Having just bought the last book of the manga (Which was the only one I could find...), I must say, though, that the last episode might
So... Did anyone else think of Inquest the instant they read this?
I didn't - can you explain what you meant?
Damn, I figured more people on the boards read Inquest -_-
Basically during the height of the Anime craze in America Inquest ran an april fools joke about how Wizards was making an anime version of a core set for the younger crowed. Funny thing is from what I recall they also used the generic, brightly colored, big eyes (ect...) art style that wizards decided to go with.
I used to read it, but I don't remember this at all.
New Juggernaut art isn't very good to me - it looks too squarish, there's no sense of movement. Combining it with zombies is sort of interesting but I'm still not a fan, and the flavor text is bland. Original art and either original or XE flavor text for me. And the Otarian isn't bad.
I didn't - can you explain what you meant?Damn, I figured more people on the boards read Inquest -_-Basically during the height of the Anime craze in America Inquest ran an april fools joke about how Wizards was making an anime version of a core set
Man, the Juggernaut art retrospective really reminds me why I like older art so much better. The original and Otarian versions look relatively "realistic" (except for the monsters, dwarves etc as subject matter) but the new ones just look like shiny rubbish piles. The M11 art is actually painful on my eyes
I agree, the older art looks better. I don't see how the M11 Juggernaut is supposed to be functional at all. The wheels don't look like they turn, and the whole thing somehow resembles an unintentional face (as opposed to the original Juggernaut , which had an intentional face).
I agree, the older art looks better. I don't see how the M11 [c]Juggernaut[/c] is supposed to be functional at all. The wheels don't look like they turn, and the whole thing somehow resembles an unintentional face (as opposed to the original [c]J
This whole "can't be blocked by Walls" business doesn't make sense flavorwise. Juggernaut doesn't move around walls, it destroys them!
I dunno, to me it makes sense, walls cant stop a juggernaut dead in its tracks - Maybe they need to re-word it to"cant be stopped by walls" then. While they are at it, maybe they could add Destroy target wall :P
I dunno, to me it makes sense, walls cant stop a juggernaut dead in its tracks - Maybe they need to re-word it to"cant be stopped by walls" then. While they are at it, maybe they could add :t: Destroy target wall :P
This whole "can't be blocked by Walls" business doesn't make sense flavorwise. Juggernaut doesn't move around walls, it destroys them!
The Walls get scared and run away.
(Hey what do you want, it's an Alpha card. You're lucky they didn't give it Tundrawalk to represent it skidding on the ice for extra speed.)
@ Legendary Name: How about "Juggernaut has trample as long as a Wall is blocking it"?
The Walls get scared and run away.(Hey what do you want, it's an Alpha card. You're lucky they didn't give it Tundrawalk to represent it skidding on the ice for extra speed.)@ Legendary Name: How about "Juggernaut has trample as long as a Wall is
If they really wanted to do this, why not get the guy who did the Death Note animé to do it?
Or how about the Hellsing OVA? THAT was kick-ass.
Well said my friend. Also, the Hellsing OVA wasn't kick-ass, it is kick -ass. It's not over yet, you know.
Ah, yes. Having just bought the last book of the manga (Which was the only one I could find...), I must say, though, that the last episode might be somewhat confusing. If it's in black and white, at least.
The new art shown in the Arcana looks silly. Not intimidating, not cool, just over-the-top silly.
Really didn't have to, but ok, spoiler tags: Spoiler:Show
I agree with you. The huge army of undeads that blow trough Alucard make a very confusing scene in battle moments. But the awesomeness of the scene makes up for the fact. But since the OVA has wonderfull image quality and color, it shouldn't be a problem.
As for Juggernaut, I hate the new art. I think that every emblematic artifact was best represented in Mirrodin Block (this includes ornithopter ). The old Juggernaut was weird because the huge head on the top of it, but the new one looks like a giant turtouse with teeth and spikes.
Also, I think it rather surprising that the so called "mighty city of An Karras" is actually an undead necropolis, since we only see zombies being crushed in the art. A lot of them. Actually, too much of them for making sense. Was it a trap where someone put a sign written "Brains" and then aimed a juggernaut at? There is a bunch of undeads there.
Well said my friend.Also, the Hellsing OVA wasn't kick-ass, it is kick -ass. It's not over yet, you know. Ah, yes. Having just bought the last book of the manga (Which was the only one I could find...), I must say, though, that the last episode might
How about "Juggernaut has trample as long as a Wall is blocking it"?
Much simpler, take Battering Ram : "Whenever Juggernaut becomes blocked by a Wall, destroy that Wall at end of combat."
Or: "Whenever Juggernaut attacks, destroy all walls."
Much simpler, take [c]Battering Ram[/c]: "Whenever Juggernaut becomes blocked by a Wall, destroy that Wall at end of combat."Or: "Whenever Juggernaut attacks, destroy all walls."
You know, if you keep suggesting unnecesary changes, there won't be any Alpha cards left.
Battering Ram looks like it functions extremely well, can we see the return of banding? Now that there are those annoying 'rules tips' in boosters, even relative noobs will learn how it works.
EDIT: And yes, the new obese Juggernaut has both terrible art and flavor text.
EDIT mark II: The Card of the Day basically says "Gravedigger digs up graves"
You know, if you keep suggesting unnecesary changes, there won't be any Alpha cards left. Battering Ram looks like it functions extremely well, can we see the return of banding? Now that there are those annoying 'rules tips' in boosters, even rel
You know, if you keep suggesting unnecesary changes, there won't be any Alpha cards left.
Battering Ram looks like it functions extremely well, can we see the return of banding? Now that there are those annoying 'rules tips' in boosters, even relative noobs will learn how it works.
EDIT: And yes, the new obese Juggernaut has both terrible art and flavor text.
EDIT mark II: The Card of the Day basically says "Gravedigger digs up graves"
Yes, it is bad. The art should be ramming through a wall or something, instead its driving over undead? Unless the wall of that city was made of undead, doesnt make much sense.
Tomorrow's card of the day? Ajani Vengeant is full of vengeance.
Yes, it is bad. The art should be ramming through a wall or something, instead its driving over undead? Unless the wall of that city was made of undead, doesnt make much sense.Tomorrow's card of the day? [c]Ajani Vengeant[/c] is full of vengeance.
You know, Juggernaut is completely emblematic of why I don't like the new art and never will. Would it have been so bad to go back to the old Alpha art and flavor text? That thing looked half-way realistic and the flavor text implied some degree of menace. Now it looks like a mechanical tortise.
And why is it in a pot-hole running over undead? Was the wall made of bodies somehow? Why are the undead climbing around? Are they on the juggernaut's side? If so, how did zombies build this complicated machine? If they're running from it, why does the zombie in front have a big ol' smile on his face like he's out for a Sunday stroll? Where's this city that somehow got ruined in days? I see nothing in that art that even vaguely suggests what the flavor text says.
And how about that cruddy Mirroden era art? You're telling me that goblins, long styled as the moronic race who can't manage to hold any artifact without destroying it, eating it, or beating someone with it managed to build a complex, advanced, motorized engine of destruction? Really? Yeah, that's a seamless melding of flavor and function there.
It doesn't make one iota of sense, but that's the formula for new art, apparently. Everything looks like it came out of some 16-year-old stoner's half-baked D&D game. First you quote up some flavor text (make sure to add some "yuk-yuk" comedy to please MaRo). Then the new artists slap a thick coat of lacquer on it to give it that "toddlers-are-sure-to-choke-on-it" shine, the add a few busty (but totally self-reliant and ass-kicking so as not to offend feminists) women, a couple shambling undead, or a guy with huge muscles and a sword so huge and ridiculous that no one could ever weild it and call it a masterpiece.
Maybe some folks like the new art style. Me, not so much.
You know, Juggernaut is completely emblematic of why I don't like the new art and never will. Would it have been so bad to go back to the old Alpha art and flavor text? That thing looked half-way realistic and the flavor text implied some degree of m
You know, Juggernaut is completely emblematic of why I don't like the new art and never will. Would it have been so bad to go back to the old Alpha art and flavor text?
They can't use the Alpha art without paying additional royalties to the artist. That's why they never reuse any art from prior to Mirage when reprinting cards in new sets; it's simply far less expensive and time-consuming to commission completely new art than to wrangle with figuring out how much in the way of royalties they need to pay.
That thing looked half-way realistic and the flavor text implied some degree of menace. Now it looks like a mechanical tortise.
While I somewhat agree with your comments about the new art, you and I have different definitions of "half-way realistic"--the comment in the Arcana about it looking like the bastard child of a parade float really struck a chord with me.
And how about that cruddy Mirroden era art? You're telling me that goblins, long styled as the moronic race who can't manage to hold any artifact without destroying it, eating it, or beating someone with it managed to build a complex, advanced, motorized engine of destruction? Really? Yeah, that's a seamless melding of flavor and function there.
While goblins vary from plane to plane, there have been depictions of goblins capable of significant works of artifice since at least Urza block--see Goblin Welder and Crawlspace for examples. Mirrodin's goblins were consistently depicted as among the more capable when it came to artifice.
They can't use the Alpha art without paying additional royalties to the artist. That's why they never reuse any art from prior to Mirage when reprinting cards in new sets; it's simply far less expensive and time-consuming to commission completely new
Frost Titan is by FAR my least favorite. And what happened to the "from his mouth eminates a constant sheet of heavy frost, like a breath of steam from heavy dry ice" in the art?
Frost Titan is by FAR my least favorite. And what happened to the "from his mouth eminates a constant sheet of heavy frost, like a breath of steam from heavy dry ice" in the art?
Boy, it's a good thing we have Daily Decks to point out to us that Archenemy is the exciting new product now on sale, because otherwise we'd have no idea that there's a whole new way to play multiplayer.
Seriously guys, you can stop pimping the new shiznit now. We've noticed.
Boy, it's a good thing we have Daily Decks to point out to us that Archenemy is the exciting new product now on sale, because otherwise we'd have no idea that there's a whole new way to play multiplayer.Seriously guys, you can stop pimping the new sh
Frost Titan is by FAR my least favorite. And what happened to the "from his mouth eminates a constant sheet of heavy frost, like a breath of steam from heavy dry ice" in the art?
Yup he should've been a vanilla with this art =(
And what ever happened to Primeval Titan??? Must be an art swap with something completely different??? He's IN the trees, making him what, 1/1, 2/1? He misses even more from his description:
and armed with a huge wooden hammer or tree-cudgel, and in the other hand carries a sling of some sort loaded with a stone. greenish mist accompanies his presence -- a breathtaking and terrible sight for tiny mortals. Show him shouting or shaking a mighty fist in rage, or otherwise summoning up a great power of natural fury.
And the red one misses a size reference. Could simply be human-sized looking at the art. For the face of the set,
During our initial design meetings, I was pushing hard for a big cycle that could be the "face of the set" and play a big role in differentiating M11 from M10. My initial proposal was for five "titans"—a cycle of Giants with impressive board-altering abilities.
It took many iterations of mechanics to come up with the final version of the Titans in M11; I know the development team spent at least as much time working on them as the design team did.
you could have let the artists iterate some more to. Only 2 out of the cycle that fit Vorthosian standards?
I liked the avatars from Prophecy better.
Yup he should've been a vanilla with this art =(And what ever happened to Primeval Titan??? Must be an art swap with something completely different??? He's IN the trees, making him what, 1/1, 2/1? He misses even more from his description: And the red
I like that the artists chose to deviate a bit from the art descriptions, but overall, they've come out a bit generic. Sun Titan has CGI dripping all over it, Frost Titan is just bland, Grave Titan is cool, but more like a FPS-bot, Inferno Tutor is cool, but another red card that is full of lava, sulfur and/or flame.
Kinda like Primeval Titan though
I like that the artists chose to deviate a bit from the art descriptions, but overall, they've come out a bit generic. Sun Titan has CGI dripping all over it, Frost Titan is just bland, Grave Titan is cool, but more like a FPS-bot, Inferno Tutor is c
Yeah... while the cards for the Titans are awesome, the art is really quite meh. Sun Titan is at least fairly imposing, and I like the sky behind him, but he doesn't really glow very much and doesn't look very big. Frost Titan has the size cue, and is okay, I guess. A bit meh, nothing too striking; but M11 in general seems to have a lot of lovely art on blue cards, so I don't mind this one being meh. Grave Titan looks like a human with maggots falling out of him. Inferno Titan was meant to have a beard? I thought that was just being wrapped in flame like every red elemental ever (except for Kamigawa block). Primeval Titan's pose just doesn't work for me - he looks like he's jumping for joy in a playful frolic, and at card size the art doesn't look any bigger than a normal human either.
So the cards are awesome and I'll be happy to open them, but I'm rather unimpressed with the art.
Some of the M11 new art that I do like: Angelic Arbiter, Knight Exemplar, Aether Adept and pretty much all the blue cards, Reassembling Skeleton, Sacred Wolf, Sylvan Ranger, Gargoyle Sentinel.
Yeah... while the cards for the Titans are awesome, the art is really quite meh. Sun Titan is at least fairly imposing, and I like the sky behind him, but he doesn't really glow very much and doesn't look very big. Frost Titan has the size cue, and i
I personally like the art on the titans. Well, not frost titan who looks like ben stiller from dodgeball when he was inflating his junk before his meeting with the bank chick. I think the rest of the titans have pretty decent art. I really like the white and black titan's arts.
I personally like the art on the titans. Well, not [c]frost titan[/c] who looks like ben stiller from dodgeball when he was inflating his junk before his meeting with the bank chick. I think the rest of the titans have pretty decent art. I really lik
Green titan and especially the blue titan look pretty boring. The white and red titans are cool if a bit generic. The black giant is a pure undead-dripping wriggling ripcage of corpse-filled awesome.
I also can't see how people can complain about it not being scaled or whatever; those are human bodies dropping out of it, so it's obviously pretty big.
Green titan and especially the blue titan look pretty boring. The white and red titans are cool if a bit generic. The black giant is a pure undead-dripping wriggling ripcage of corpse-filled awesome.I also can't see how people can complain about it n
You guys are crazy, the art is amazing. The green titan has the look of an extremely barbaric, I'm-gonna-rip-you-into-two beastman and the blue one has a stern menacing stare you'd expect of blue. Admittedly, Sun Titan looks worse in this iteration compared to the promo, but I'm actually starting to like the art up close and it fits in with the cycle better.
All the titans look huge from first glance, the artists did a good job in showing that without having to resort to putting them beside a normal human. Just look at Frost Titan. He stands on the mountain as if it were a bump. Inferno Titan looks like he's the size of the volcano from where he comes from. Primeval Titan is the size of all those trees.
You guys are crazy, the art is amazing. The green titan has the look of an extremely barbaric, I'm-gonna-rip-you-into-two beastman and the blue one has a stern menacing stare you'd expect of blue. Admittedly, Sun Titan looks worse in this iteration c
And that's the problem. Trees aren't that huge for an epic giant to be the same size of. Sure, they can be huge trees, but if you look at the image, it could very well be an ordinary forest with big but not huge humanoid between them. Nothing impressive.
And that's the problem. Trees aren't that huge for an epic giant to be the same size of. Sure, they can be huge trees, but if you look at the image, it could very well be an ordinary forest with big but not huge humanoid between them. Nothing impress
I like the art, in general, but what happened to Grave Titan 's awesome-sounding scythe? Or Frost Titan 's frosty breath? I know artists wiggle from descriptions all the time, and of course that's fine, but to flat-out ignore so many significant details in just five cards makes me think there must have been some kind of policy change in the art department.
I'd like to see the descriptions of some of the other M11 cards, to see if the artists have taken this much creative license elsewhere, as well.
I like the art, in general, but what happened to [c]Grave Titan[/c]'s awesome-sounding scythe? Or [c]Frost Titan[/c]'s frosty breath? I know artists wiggle from descriptions all the time, and of course that's fine, but to flat-out ignore so many sig
I actually like Frost Titan's art as long as I don't think about the omitted "blanket of frosty breath" option, which would admittedly have turned him up to 11. He's decent-looking and fairly different from what we have, he just falls shy of the "epic" designation we were hoping for.
Grave Titan is really weird. It's in a good way, but it made me think I was looking at something out of Warhammer 40K. From a distance the zombies looked like pipes in his chest, plus his face is like a gas mask or something - very technological-seeming in overall first impression.
And on a related tangent, did you notice the flavor text on that golem guy who taps for +1/+1 counters? Talking about how heavily "we" depend on machines? It's true enough for *us*, but even if the speaker was from Ravnica, it'd seem a bit strange in-universe. When the most sophisticated machine you can build without magic is a Swiss watch, I wouldn't think you'd be that dependent.
I actually like Frost Titan's art as long as I don't think about the omitted "blanket of frosty breath" option, which would admittedly have turned him up to 11. He's decent-looking and fairly different from what we have, he just falls shy of the "e
Rather surprized how the art diverged from the art description so much. Not a huge fan of the Frost Titan, I wonder they didn't just give him psuedo-Shroud instead of soft-countering. Still all the titans are really good, definitely a great cycle of mythic rares that I want to get a hold of. Especially pleased with the Grave Titan, I mean the last block had Vampire love, returning to zombie flavor makes me a very happy gamer.
Rather surprized how the art diverged from the art description so much. Not a huge fan of the Frost Titan, I wonder they didn't just give him psuedo-Shroud instead of soft-countering. Still all the titans are really good, definitely a great cycle of
Rather surprized how the art diverged from the art description so much. Not a huge fan of the Frost Titan, I wonder they didn't just give him psuedo-Shroud instead of soft-countering. Still all the titans are really good, definitely a great cycle of mythic rares that I want to get a hold of. Especially pleased with the Grave Titan, I mean the last block had Vampire love, returning to zombie flavor makes me a very happy gamer.
Yeah, I'm not sure Frost Titan was the right place to premiere this ability, interesting though it was. It makes him excessively wordy and hard to grok, which is wrong for a set's flagship dudes. Grave Titan and Primeval Titan are perfect; the rest lack something in terms of elegance, though Sun Titan makes up for it in raw awesome, and Inferno Titan at least has the most perfect art. (Not the best looking, but the one that most exactly fits the concept. The non-promo Sun Titan is close, but as has been pointed out his eyes don't quite blaze as ferociously as the sun, plus you have to look a bit to get the size cues, whereas the Inferno Titan just looks huge in and of himself.)
Yeah, I'm not sure Frost Titan was the right place to premiere this ability, interesting though it was. It makes him excessively wordy and hard to grok, which is wrong for a set's flagship dudes. Grave Titan and Primeval Titan are perfect; the re
Destroy target wall :P
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