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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 5:11AM
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So I just read the Token section here on the forums and if I am reading everything right, Tokens do not have summoning sickness. They are not summoned. This is correct, right?
In effect, Tokens have haste? (Essentially)
Just looking for some clarification and conformation on this.
Thanks a million!
Jut
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 5:16AM
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All creatures have summoning sickness. If they are tokens, artifact creatures, animated lands or whatever is irrelevant. It's a creature? Then it can't attack or use abilities with the tap symbol as cost unless you controlled them since the beginning of your turn.
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 5:18AM
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Incorrect.
Everything that enters the battlefield "has" summoning sickness - but only creatures are affected by it.
That means that a Land has summoning sickness, but it doesn't matter (can still tap or untap the turn it enters the battlefield). However, if that land could also become a creature, and it became a creature on the turn it entered the battelfield, it would NOT be able to tap/untap once it was a creature, as at that point it would be affected by summoning sickness.
Tokens, regardless of what they are, also have summoning sickness - but only creature tokens are affected by it. Creature tokens cannot attack, tap, or untap on the turn they enter the battlefield.
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 6:07AM
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I understand what both of you are saying but this: "Q: Does putting a creature token onto the battlefield count as casting a creature spell?A: No. The act of "casting a spell" has a special meaning in magic, involving taking a card (usually from your hand), putting it onto the stack, choosing required targets, modes, and making other required decisions, and paying the required costs to do so. Putting a token onto the battlefield doesn't involve any of that--you aren't casting anything, much less a creature spell, when you put a token onto the battlefield. Thus, putting a creature token onto the battlefield won't trigger abilities like Equilibrium 's, which trigger on casting a creature spell. They will, however, trigger abilities like Pandemonium 's, which trigger on a creature entering the battlefield and don't care how it got there." Would seem to say otherwise. OR am I just missing something, I even read up on Summoning Sickness and it does not seem to address this. OR . . . Q: Do tokens have names?A: Yes. A creature token's name is usually the same as its creature type(s); however, if the token is a copy of something, its name is the same as whatever it's a copy of, and if the effect that created it specified a name for it, that is its name. Example: A "1/1 red Goblin Scout creature token" ( Goblin Scouts ) is named "Goblin Scout", but a "legendary 2/2 green and white Wolf creature token named Voja" ( Tolsimir Wolfblood ) is named "Voja". PLus this: Q: What does 'summoning sickness' do?A: Creatures with summoning sickness can't attack and can't use abilities with costs that include the  or  symbols. Creatures have summoning sickness if they have not been under their current controller's control since the beginning of that player's most recent turn. Mean that the Token are in fact creatures, and while not traditionally "summoned" they are still a creature that has not been under my control since the beggining of my turn. (Is this the case?) If so, the 1st qoute from the Token section is a bit misleading IMHO or is it just me? (it can be me, I can be dense at times!) Thanks for helping me try to figure this out. (or did I just figure it out?) Jut
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 6:10AM
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I understand what both of you are saying but this:
"Q: Does putting a creature token onto the battlefield count as casting a creature spell?
A: No. The act of "casting a spell" has a special meaning in magic, involving taking a card (usually from your hand), putting it onto the stack, choosing required targets, modes, and making other required decisions, and paying the required costs to do so. Putting a token onto the battlefield doesn't involve any of that--you aren't casting anything, much less a creature spell, when you put a token onto the battlefield.
Thus, putting a creature token onto the battlefield won't trigger abilities like Equilibrium's, which trigger on casting a creature spell. They will, however, trigger abilities like Pandemonium's, which trigger on a creature entering the battlefield and don't care how it got there."
Would seem to say otherwise. OR am I just missing something, I even read up on Summoning Sickness and it does not seem to address this.
Thanks for helping me try to figure this out.
Jut
What you quoted has nothing to do with tokens and summoning sickness. What you quoted is just stating that abilities that say "cast" will not be triggered when you put tokens onto the battlefield since you are not "casting" it from your hand.
EVERYTHING has summoning sickness...but as said above, creatures are the ones affected by it.
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 6:11AM
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Whether something is affected by summoning sickness is unrelated to the act of casting a spell. Something is affected by summoning sickness if both of the following are true: - It is a creature
- It has not been under your control since the start of your most recent turn
302.6. A creature's activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can't be activated unless the creature has been under its controller's control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature can't attack unless it has been under its controller's control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the "summoning sickness" rule.
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 6:12AM
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Just edited my post and I think I have it figured out.
Thanks!
Jut
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 8:40AM
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Wasnt there a big argment recently over the fact that "summoning sickness" isnt limited to things that summoned, with a suggestion being made that the name of the term should change to avoid confusion?
"summoning sickness" can be induced by:
- changing controllers
- exiling and then bringing back
- casting, or simply putting onto the battefield
(and probably other things too - these are just examples)
It even affects creatures that werent creatures at the time they were put onto the battlefield (etc), like manlands (things that happened to the land before it became a creature can limit its abilities to do things after it becomes a creature).
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 8:43AM
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Wasnt there a big argment recently over the fact that "summoning sickness" isnt limited to things that summoned, with a suggestion being made that the name of the term should change to avoid confusion?
"Summoning sickness" is an informal term. How would they go about changing something that is unofficial? They'd have about as much success with that as trying to redefine the meaining of "mise" or "cantrip".
Summoning Sickness Rule
Informal term for a player's inability to attack with a creature or to activate its abilities that include the tap symbol or the untap symbol unless the creature has been under that player's control since the beginning of that player's most recent turn. See rule 302.6. See also Haste.
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3 years ago ::
May 20, 2010 - 8:44AM
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They'd have about as much success with that as trying to redefine the meaining of "mise" or "cantrip".
.. or, indeed, "instant speed".
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