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Switch to Forum Live View Anyone else wants to have either Foundry or Depths banned?
3 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2010 - 7:26PM #1
javert
Date Joined: Jul 26, 2006
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Although the presence of a deck with a power level above of what everyone would like isn't new to Extended, most of the time this decks have been limited to a single year of dominance. Two years ago Dredge forced people to cram their SB with Voids and Crypts but when Odyssey rotated it was over. The next year Elves scared people but as time passed, the deck turned out to be fair and even Faeries became the best deck, and both went into oblivion with the rotation of Onslaught.

This year, however, the new monster Thopther Depths isn't rotating anywhere soon. Both Dark Depths and Sword of the Meek will remain for another three years and Dark Confidant will still be with us for two years. Although the deck loses Thirst, Mox and Explosives, those were secondary and a new form will be likely to emerge again. At the end of the season, the deck's dominance was barely sufferable and the sight of THREE years of it is something that really makes me wonder if I actually want to play the next Extended Season. Given that "it is going to rotate soon" doesn't apply, I think a preemptive for the next season is something that, even when most people is afraid to ask for, everyone wishes for it.

Do you have any problem banning any of the two pieces? Which one of them would you prefer to see gone?
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3 years ago  ::  May 01, 2010 - 10:15AM #2
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There's no way it's even close to be banned.  People need to stop whining.  Only times that things should be banned are when you basically have to play it or it's just absurdly dominant.  In other words, you pretty much had to play skullclamp in a creature based deck or else it was subpar.  Dark depths wasn't that dominant, not even close to jund dominant in standard, which shouldn't be banned, and the deck is easily hated out.
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3 years ago  ::  May 08, 2010 - 2:16PM #3
LordofKhyber
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I am definitely in support of banning these for sure. Just so broken. WoTC please ban these. Thanks in advance.

(And yeah several key pieces in Jund should be banned too...that deck is warping Standard worse than Affinity ever did)
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3 years ago  ::  May 08, 2010 - 10:21PM #4
Gilgiga
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May 8, 2010 -- 2:16PM, LordofKhyber wrote:

I am definitely in support of banning these for sure. Just so broken. WoTC please ban these. Thanks in advance.

(And yeah several key pieces in Jund should be banned too...that deck is warping Standard worse than Affinity ever did)




Hahaha, really? really? Jund hasn't been warping the format for months, and sense RoE it's gone from "clearly the best, be ready for it" to equal footing with the other power decks.

Banning cards isn't the rigt way to fix things, Thopter Depths combos aren't really that broken, it's the solid control shell mixed with good wincons. Would you rather they look like standard control decks where they all win with fattie creatures? 

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3 years ago  ::  May 11, 2010 - 4:02AM #5
otherside
Date Joined: Sep 10, 2009
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May 8, 2010 -- 2:16PM, LordofKhyber wrote:

I am definitely in support of banning these for sure. Just so broken. WoTC please ban these. Thanks in advance.

(And yeah several key pieces in Jund should be banned too...that deck is warping Standard worse than Affinity ever did)




Are you serious?

Have you played magic before?

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3 years ago  ::  May 14, 2010 - 10:42AM #6
Sarge41
Date Joined: Jun 12, 2008
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The fact that kids are getting facerolled by combos in Ext and asking for bans is amazing.

It used to be "ban jitte", "ban goyf".


Everytime a deck becomes fast or seems to dominate your metagame, a ban should not be required.

Depths token be repealed for 1, pathed for 1, bounced by jace, cryptic bounced, dead and gone bounced (not primarly used but occasionally in SB's),  and hypergensis has akroma's memorial which gives it pro-black to steamroll over it.

Thopter can be facturing gusted to give you a crapload of life, night soul's betayel makes the little 1/1's die immediately, they can vollanic fallouted/firespouted, ghostly prison stops them from crushing you for a bit, and etc.

Damping Matrix works for both decks shutting them down.



Yes, these decks can be a pain to fight if not countered correctly or if you do not have hate for them but ou shouldnt say they are bannable meaning they warp metagames.

My 2 cents.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2010 - 7:34PM #7
lo_Ol
Date Joined: Aug 13, 2007
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May 8, 2010 -- 2:16PM, LordofKhyber wrote:

I am definitely in support of banning these for sure. Just so broken. WoTC please ban these. Thanks in advance.

(And yeah several key pieces in Jund should be banned too...that deck is warping Standard worse than Affinity ever did)




did you ever play a affinity deck with a playset of disciples, skullclamps and vials?

from the perspective of someone who has just returned to magic after a couple of years, i gotta say that both formats look relatively healthy. there's always going go be a top deck, but in the case of current extended (and for that matter standard) it doesn't seem like the big dogs are that much bigger than the rest... 

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2010 - 9:08PM #8
Swiftgamer18
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...and they just put a ban on Sword of the Meek...
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2010 - 10:05PM #9
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And Wizards continues to listen to ****ing terrible players who come into formats with the wrong decks don't see me rolling into legacy with a extended zoo deck and asking forduel lands to be banned well don't walk into extended with your **** ass standard decks and ask for our things to be banned.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2010 - 11:05PM #10
izgor
Date Joined: Aug 3, 2009
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My rendition of how sword was banned:

Guy in charge of the extended Banned/Restricted list: Uhg, what a night. What time is it?
*checks clock*
Guy in charge of the extended Banned/Restricted list: Oh no, I needed to hand the new extended B/R list in today and I spent all of last night partying. To the extended forums! Let's see, oh here is a thread unhappy with thopter combo so that can get the axe. Also, this guy doesn't like depths either so we can just cut Cold Snap, no one liked that set anyways. Hmmm, that means we have to get rid of Ravnica... oh well, the boss did say he wanted the M2010 duals to be the new norm. Well, looks like I will be getting that promotion.

By the way, I am putting on a one man show entitled, "Fat Neckbeard fails at parodying Jon Stewart's running one man show gag."
Of course I'm sure I've gone mad. The little man who crawled out of my eye was quite clear on this.
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