That Soldier/Knight dude was supposed to be a male? o.0 If you say so.... But that Knight looks a bit Bantly to me, perhaps an Alara reprint, would seem a bit odd though.
Green seems to definitely be a baloth. It has the face of a baloth. And it has those spikey protrusions like the M10 Enormous Baloth . They can change the art as much as they want as long as they keep the flavor text!
Or Bant graveyard art.I'm guessing:Black: [c]Drudge Skeletons[/c] (singular on the booster)Red: new dragonBooster Box: [c]Shivan Dragon[/c]Green seems to definitely be a baloth. It has the face of a baloth. And it has those spikey protrusions like th
Me memory's telling me that I've seen the art on the booster box somewhere before, but I can't remember where and I can't find it.
That was the first art they previewed from the set--IIRC, it was in the set's official announcement article.
Yes, now I remember. Thank you, that would've haunted me for days. >.>
That was the first art they previewed from the set--IIRC, it was in the set's official announcement article.Yes, now I remember. Thank you, that would've haunted me for days. >.>
Woa. That Paladin on the first pack looks Unspeakly awsome. That has got to be a paladin. I am already super excited about m11 now. That card alone has done it.
Woa. That Paladin on the first pack looks Unspeakly awsome. That has got to be a paladin. I am already super excited about m11 now. That card alone has done it.
That Soldier/Knight dude was supposed to be a male? o.0 If you say so.... But that Knight looks a bit Bantly to me, perhaps an Alara reprint, would seem a bit odd though.
Just because he's a holy looking knightly fellow doesn't make him from Bant. I see no bant specific imagery
For example, His sword has a crossguard. The only Bant character I know who is potrayed using a sword with a crossguard is Knight of the Skyward eye
His armor also has a very clear Sun focus in it's ornamentation. Other than Giltspire Avenger I don't think any of the primary knightly orders of bant were shown to have used any sun symbolism.
Just because he's a holy looking knightly fellow doesn't make him from Bant. I see no bant specific imageryFor example, His sword has a crossguard. The only Bant character I know who is potrayed using a sword with a crossguard is [card]Knight of the
The perspective birds in the knightly dude's artwork indicate that he's a bit larger than normal. If he was a creature, he'd have to either be a giant (which he looks a bit too human for) or some sort of concept-creature, like an Archon or Avatar (which could explain the white light glowing out of his eyes). I'm going to rule out planeswalker, because a)he doesn't fit with any pre-established planeswalker (and, going with M10 as a guide, Wizards won't print new planeswalkers in the core sets), and b) planeswalkers (Nicol Bolas aside) are typically concepted as human-sized. It's also possible that his size is the result of a massive pump spell (which would have to be single-target, since there's only one figure in the artwork), but those typically focus more on the magic than the actual creature. It could also be an aura, and the glowy-eyes are the representation of the aura's magic. Given the prominence of the creature in the artwork, however, I'm guessing that we'll see some sort of Archon or Avatar.
The perspective birds in the knightly dude's artwork indicate that he's a bit larger than normal. If he was a creature, he'd have to either be a giant (which he looks a bit too human for) or some sort of concept-creature, like an Archon or Avatar (wh
As for the black booster art, the creature is the only focus of the illustration, and there's no presence of outside magic, so I'm going to assume it's a creature. The weapon is a prominent focus of the illustration (the creature is looking intently at it), so I'm going to guess assassin, given that he's wearing cloth robes rather than warrior-appropriate armor. Maybe a reprint of Royal Assassin?
For the green art, the only real clue we have to go with is the arrows sticking out of him. Blood is still oozing, and the beast looks really, really angry, so the hunt must still be in progress. If this line of reasoning is accurate, then I'm guessing that we'll see either a large hunted/harried- themed beast or a hunter/prey- themed utility spell, although those usually show both hunter and quarry in the artwork.
The red art doesn't give us much to go on, other than that whatever it is guarding is glowing blue. I'm guessing this is some sort of magical treasure, but the possibilities for concepting "guarding treasure" on a card are so numerous that it's impossible to predict what this would look like mechanically.
The blue art reveals nothing other than a merfolk holding some sort of shafted weapon, which tells us nothing because almost all Magic merfolk wield spears or tridents. Maybe the patterns on its armor have some significance, but, if they do, I can't figure it out.
As for the black booster art, the creature is the only focus of the illustration, and there's no presence of outside magic, so I'm going to assume it's a creature. The weapon is a prominent focus of the illustration (the creature is looking intently
Hmm, yeah, I didn't notice the tiney doves by the paladin's belt. He's huge!
Maybe it's new artwork for Righteousness or a similar card
Maybe it's a Paladin Avatar. That would be awsome too.
Hmm, yeah, I didn't notice the tiney doves by the paladin's belt. He's huge!Maybe it's new artwork for [card]Righteousness[/card] or a similar cardMaybe it's a Paladin Avatar. That would be awsome too.
I don't see any names written on these Intro Packs.
Also, it's interesting to note that they're two-colour. I hope they pull away from mono a bit. It would be good to see the races in two colours, like they were in Lorwyn.
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I don't see any names written on these Intro Packs.Also, it's interesting to note that they're two-colour. I hope they pull away from mono a bit. It would be good to see the races in two colours, like they were in Lorwyn.\:>
Is it just me, or did the descriptions sound like the decks were mono-colored? Also, I'd like to see how green is used in the vampire deck- it seems out of place in an undead/vampire-themed deck, barring Golgari plant-zombie shenanigans.
Is it just me, or did the descriptions sound like the decks were mono-colored? Also, I'd like to see how green is used in the vampire deck- it seems out of place in an undead/vampire-themed deck, barring Golgari plant-zombie shenanigans.
Anyone else hoping that the W/B Intro pack has a copy of Fallen Angel in it? If so, do you think they will reprint it as a Rare again? It alludes to there being more Angels in it and she is a Black Angel...
Also, anyone else dissapointed that they are going to continue a HEAVY Vampire theme for Black? I was hoping that they might go Zombie or Skeleton after seeing the Booster Pack art...
Anyone else hoping that the W/B Intro pack has a copy of Fallen Angel in it? If so, do you think they will reprint it as a Rare again? It alludes to there being more Angels in it and she is a Black Angel...Also, anyone else dissapointed that they are
When did they get rid of the Hellkite subtype? Because in that R/U decklist, it looks like the Hellkite has the dragon subtype instead. o.0
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.
Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.
When did they get rid of the Hellkite subtype? Because in that R/U decklist, it looks like the Hellkite has the dragon subtype instead. o.0
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.
Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.
I think you mean "Hellion" and that is still a type.
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.I think you mea
When did they get rid of the Hellkite subtype? Because in that R/U decklist, it looks like the Hellkite has the dragon subtype instead. o.0
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.
Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.
I'd say that Hellkites are to dragons as elite special forces are to soldiers. Unusually tough, but still essentially dragon-like.
Drakes have had categorized differences from dragons in some of the flavor articles (usually no forelegs, I think).
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.I'd say that He
When did they get rid of the Hellkite subtype? Because in that R/U decklist, it looks like the Hellkite has the dragon subtype instead. o.0
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.
Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.
A hellkite is to a dragon as a king is to a subject. A drake is to a dragon what a slave is to a king.
What are you talking about? I don't think there has ever been a Hellkite subtype.Well then.... why? Hellkites are very similar to dragons, but they are still distinct are they not? They should be as distinct as drakes are to dragons.A hellkite is t
Ahem. Magical Hacker 's ability does nothing on 'walkers. +N or -N is short for "Put N loyalty counters on this permanent" or "Remove N loyalty counters on this permanent." Therefore, there is no actual + or - to edit.
Ahem. [c]Magical Hacker[/c]'s ability does nothing on 'walkers. +N or -N is short for "Put N loyalty counters on this permanent" or "Remove N loyalty counters on this permanent." Therefore, there is no actual + or - to edit.
The first thing that crossed my mind after seeing all the intro pack art was: "Four awesome mythic creatures and Denis Leary trying to sell me something."
The first thing that crossed my mind after seeing all the intro pack art was: "Four awesome mythic creatures and Denis Leary trying to sell me something."
Ancient Hellkite probably costs , given how it can be seen, while the others can't.
Well, at least we know the jankier rares of M2011 now.
Made a qick mockup in MSE, there's 4 symbols in mono-red; the first one is 4. If that's true, then a rough ring with my hands made almost the exact circle seen in the pic. It is 4RRR.
Made a qick mockup in MSE, there's 4 symbols in mono-red; the first one is 4. If that's true, then a rough ring with my hands made almost the exact circle seen in the pic. It is 4RRR.
Is it bad that I looked at Overwhelming Stampede and my first thought was "I hope to god that's not a functional reprint of Overrun"?
Also, is it worse that I looked at Overwhelming Stampede and my first thought was "I hope to god that is a functional reprint of Overrun"?
While both of those thoughts went through my head in a few quick seconds I realize that it is not a functional reprint of overrun . I think it is either a 4 mana +2+2 overrun or a 6-7 mana overrun with a bonus like titanic ultimatum . We know it can't have 3 colored mana symbols like overrun . What I really hope is that it isn't is a rare overrun that has the same CMC but has less colored mana symbols. Like 4G instead of 2GGG
Also, is it worse that I looked at Overwhelming Stampede and my first thought was "I hope to god that is a functional reprint of Overrun"?While both of those thoughts went through my head in a few quick seconds I realize that it is not a functional r
"Starting with Magic 2010, intro packs are going to be sixty cards."
I might suggest 2011 .
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm forgetting.
And only a tiny price increase; I might find myself picking up these intro sets instead of tons of packs for my M11 fix this year.
Also wanted to mention I finally watched the Deckbuilder's Toolkit unboxing that you linked to the other day. My wife came in the room while I was watching and said "so you can just watch these guys do it from now on and not have to buy any more yourself, right?"
Ha ha, silly woman.
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm
"Starting with Magic 2010, intro packs are going to be sixty cards."
I might suggest 2011 .
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm forgetting.
And only a tiny price increase; I might find myself picking up these intro sets instead of tons of packs for my M11 fix this year.
Also wanted to mention I finally watched the Deckbuilder's Toolkit unboxing that you linked to the other day. My wife came in the room while I was watching and said "so you can just watch these guys do it from now on and not have to buy any more yourself, right?"
Ha ha, silly woman.
LOL. While my wife plays MtG with me she doesn't understand why I watch the magic show or read all of the articles on this website. So I have moments like that too. Good story. I am sure she would have made fun of me if she had seen me watching the "unboxing". I even felt a bit weird for watching it. It's not like I want to watch someone open boosters but I was interested in the overall makeup of these Toolkit's.
I usually buy the precons because my wife and friends love to play them against each other. It is a nice casual environment and 60 card intro packs are much better for this purpose. I remember my first tournament a friend and I went to FNM I had a slightly modified gruul deck and he played an unmodified selesnya deck. Collectively we went 3-5 but we had a blast.
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm
"Starting with Magic 2010, intro packs are going to be sixty cards."
I might suggest 2011 .
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm forgetting.
And only a tiny price increase; I might find myself picking up these intro sets instead of tons of packs for my M11 fix this year.
Also wanted to mention I finally watched the Deckbuilder's Toolkit unboxing that you linked to the other day. My wife came in the room while I was watching and said "so you can just watch these guys do it from now on and not have to buy any more yourself, right?"
Ha ha, silly woman.
LOL. While my wife plays MtG with me she doesn't understand why I watch the magic show or read all of the articles on this website. So I have moments like that too. Good story. I am sure she would have made fun of me if she had seen me watching the "unboxing". I even felt a bit weird for watching it. It's not like I want to watch someone open boosters but I was interested in the overall makeup of these Toolkit's.
I usually buy the precons because my wife and friends love to play them against each other. It is a nice casual environment and 60 card intro packs are much better for this purpose. I remember my first tournament a friend and I went to FNM I had a slightly modified gruul deck and he played an unmodified selesnya deck. Collectively we went 3-5 but we had a blast.
My wife plays too, that's why I love the Duel Decks and the return of 60 card intro packs, they're very easy to just rip off the shrinkwrap, shuffle and go.
The funny thing about her comment was that earlier she had been watching videos of people playing MMO's on their netbooks (and not video feed grabs, like using a webcam to record the netbook actually playing WoW). She was watching to see how the performance was on those little machines, but I feel like I should have said "you can just watch people play their MMO's instead of playing yourself, right?"
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm
Unfortunately I still won't be buying any for the following reasons:
- the unnecessary booster pack (you should cut this and lower the price) - the card at the front will probably be a foil (and therefore unplayable - a lost card) - probably full of one-of's - not consistent like a theme deck - most likely crammed full of terrible cards (like the RoE packs) - terrible packaging (bad for the environment and not useful as a deck box)
60 cards? Well done, you've seen the light. Unfortunately I still won't be buying any for the following reasons:- the unnecessary booster pack (you should cut this and lower the price)- the card at the front will probably be a foil (and therefore un
Unfortunately I still won't be buying any for the following reasons:
- the unnecessary booster pack (you should cut this and lower the price) - the card at the front will probably be a foil (and therefore unplayable - a lost card) - probably full of one-of's - not consistent like a theme deck - most likely crammed full of terrible cards (like the RoE packs) - terrible packaging (bad for the environment and not useful as a deck box)
1: By a couple of bucks. Cheaper than buying a deck and a booster seperate. 2: Foils are playable depending on the card that they foiled. 3: What planet you from? Theme decks aren't much better at consistincy than starters. 4: Can you say "Starter Deck"? 5: It's cardboard and if you are sooo concerned for the environment why the heck are you playing a game using cardboard cards to begin with?
1: By a couple of bucks. Cheaper than buying a deck and a booster seperate.2: Foils are playable depending on the card that they foiled.3: What planet you from? Theme decks aren't much better at consistincy than starters.4: Can you say "Starter Deck"
I'd say that Hellkites are to dragons as elite special forces are to soldiers. Unusually tough, but still essentially dragon-like.
Drakes have had categorized differences from dragons in some of the flavor articles (usually no forelegs, I think).
Yes, the hellkites are still dragon like. Although looking through the art, most of them look more snakelike than the usual dragon. Some just look bigger and meaner than the normal dragon, and some of them look completley different. But I guess they can vary from world to world. I'm not sure about them being elite forces though. How is a Hellkite Hatchling more elite than a normal dragon ?
And I understand that drakes are very different, Ive read the flavour article on it before, so I understand why the drakes are different, and thats why Im wondering if the Hellkites are different. They havent really explained them.
A hellkite is to a dragon as a king is to a subject. A drake is to a dragon what a slave is to a king.
The first example amkes sense I guess. But the second one implies that drakes are the same race as a dragon, just smaller and lesser. But the fact is that they are completly different race. So its more like comparing a mongrel dog to a king.
No, I dont mean Hellion. Which is an interesting creature type in itself.Yes, the hellkites are still dragon like. Although looking through the art, most of them look more snakelike than the usual dragon. Some just look bigger and meaner than the nor
I'd say that Hellkites are to dragons as elite special forces are to soldiers. Unusually tough, but still essentially dragon-like.
Drakes have had categorized differences from dragons in some of the flavor articles (usually no forelegs, I think).
Yes, the hellkites are still dragon like. Although looking through the art, most of them look more snakelike than the usual dragon. Some just look bigger and meaner than the normal dragon, and some of them look completley different. But I guess they can vary from world to world. I'm not sure about them being elite forces though. How is a Hellkite Hatchling more elite than a normal dragon ?
And I understand that drakes are very different, Ive read the flavour article on it before, so I understand why the drakes are different, and thats why Im wondering if the Hellkites are different. They havent really explained them.
A hellkite is to a dragon as a king is to a subject. A drake is to a dragon what a slave is to a king.
The first example amkes sense I guess. But the second one implies that drakes are the same race as a dragon, just smaller and lesser. But the fact is that they are completly different race. So its more like comparing a mongrel dog to a king.
Ah but in every story you read a dragons most hated being is the drake because it views them as a mongrel. A filthy heathen trodding on the dragons domain. I've never read about a drakes origin.
No, I dont mean Hellion. Which is an interesting creature type in itself.Yes, the hellkites are still dragon like. Although looking through the art, most of them look more snakelike than the usual dragon. Some just look bigger and meaner than the nor
Also wanted to mention I finally watched the Deckbuilder's Toolkit unboxing that you linked to the other day. My wife came in the room while I was watching and said "so you can just watch these guys do it from now on and not have to buy any more yourself, right?"
Ha ha, silly woman.
Magic-playing husbands represent! I feel your pain, brother, I feel your pain.
:rofl:Magic-playing husbands represent!I feel your pain, brother, I feel your pain. :)
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm forgetting.
Nitpick. The sentence said "Intro Packs". Which meant that they are correct in saying "Starting", because Intro Packs never had 60 cards before.
Which means they did it faster than we expect.Sets are completed 2 years prior to their release. Which means they probably just completed Magic 2013 around this time.And given Alara came out in slightly less than 2 years, they fixed it very fast.Nitp
Unfortunately I still won't be buying any for the following reasons:
- the unnecessary booster pack (you should cut this and lower the price) - the card at the front will probably be a foil (and therefore unplayable - a lost card) - probably full of one-of's - not consistent like a theme deck - most likely crammed full of terrible cards (like the RoE packs) - terrible packaging (bad for the environment and not useful as a deck box)
1: By a couple of bucks. Cheaper than buying a deck and a booster seperate. 2: Foils are playable depending on the card that they foiled. 3: What planet you from? Theme decks aren't much better at consistincy than starters. 4: Can you say "Starter Deck"? 5: It's cardboard and if you are sooo concerned for the environment why the heck are you playing a game using cardboard cards to begin with?
1. And what if you weren't going to buy the booster at all? 2. No, because they're ugly and they bend. 3. But still better, and could be improved further. 4. And they have to be made up of bad cards because? 5. So the only choice is to not use something at all, and waste it for no reason. Thanks, I was nearly confusing myself with shades of grey.
1: By a couple of bucks. Cheaper than buying a deck and a booster seperate.2: Foils are playable depending on the card that they foiled.3: What planet you from? Theme decks aren't much better at consistincy than starters.4: Can you say "Starter Deck"
Well it only took them 2 years to make the decks 60 cards. Nice job wizards at finally fixing a mistake.
Which means they did it faster than we expect.
Sets are completed 2 years prior to their release. Which means they probably just completed Magic 2013 around this time.
And given Alara came out in slightly less than 2 years, they fixed it very fast.
Set design/development can take two years, but I'm pretty sure packaging changes could be done much quicker. And I don't doubt their ability to take five 40 card decks and bump them to 60 in less than a week or so.
I would also suggest the word "resuming" instead of "starting", although, if I'm remembering right, core sets always had 40 card precons even when the expansion sets had 60 card ones. Unless there's something from the early days of MTG core sets I'm forgetting.
Nitpick. The sentence said "Intro Packs". Which meant that they are correct in saying "Starting", because Intro Packs never had 60 cards before.
Nitpick back: for all intents and purposes Intro packs are simply rebranded theme decks, it's not like the idea of preconstructed decks started with the 40 card ones in Alara block.
But I feel like we're arguing over the colors of our hammocks while the pitcher of margaritas is getting warm, so let's just agree that 60 card decks are a good thing.
And the one foil card is annoying, but I usually keep them in those tight deckboxes most of the time anyways, so they don't curl up so bad. One of these days I'll get around to sleeving up all my Duel Decks or just replace the foils with regular cards.
Which means they did it faster than we expect.Sets are completed 2 years prior to their release. Which means they probably just completed Magic 2013 around this time.And given Alara came out in slightly less than 2 years, they fixed it very fast.Set
Unfortunately I still won't be buying any for the following reasons:
- the unnecessary booster pack (you should cut this and lower the price) - the card at the front will probably be a foil (and therefore unplayable - a lost card) - probably full of one-of's - not consistent like a theme deck - most likely crammed full of terrible cards (like the RoE packs) - terrible packaging (bad for the environment and not useful as a deck box)
Years ago they had 60 card theme decks and they were selling for 12 dollars. The booster pack is an important incentive for me to buy the product.
Also when I've gotten 60 card theme decks as gifts in the past I've been underwhelmed since there are about 50% of them that I don't like or want (and I usually already own the ones that I wanted). Now when I get an intro pack as a gift at least I have something to look forward to that has the potential of being exactly what I want or need.
I hope they do a better job on the card choices I definately don't want to see righteousness and telepathy in every intro pack like we've had for the past year but overall I think this product will outshine the old theme decks.
Years ago they had 60 card theme decks and they were selling for 12 dollars. The booster pack is an important incentive for me to buy the product. Also when I've gotten 60 card theme decks as gifts in the past I've been underwhelmed since there are a
Did Bolas ressurect Tez to fight Elspeth? Nice to see that each of the Duel Decks is getting some flavour representations with the wencomics. Does this mean that next year Sarkhan Vol is going to throw down with Nicol Bolas?
Did Bolas ressurect Tez to fight Elspeth? Nice to see that each of the Duel Decks is getting some flavour representations with the wencomics. Does this mean that next year Sarkhan Vol is going to throw down with Nicol Bolas?
Did Bolas ressurect Tez to fight Elspeth? Nice to see that each of the Duel Decks is getting some flavour representations with the wencomics. Does this mean that next year Sarkhan Vol is going to throw down with Nicol Bolas?
I think this particular duel is set before the events of the Alara block, because Elspeth is described as "adrift amongst the planes". Therefore, before she settled on Bant, therefore before Tezzeret's involvement/enslavement with Bolas.
Also, with Elspeth as expensive as she currently is, these decks are going to sell like wildfire. Getting one to use in a duel? Good luck.
I think this particular duel is set before the events of the Alara block, because Elspeth is described as "adrift amongst the planes". Therefore, before she settled on Bant, therefore before Tezzeret's involvement/enslavement with Bolas.Also, with El
Whoa! Allied-color Duel Decks pair! This could be epic. And I'm not sure, but it almost sounds as if they're implying a storyline tournament or something with that last line.
Whoa! Allied-color Duel Decks pair! This could be epic. And I'm not sure, but it almost sounds as if they're implying a storyline tournament or something with that last line.
Elspeth is $55. The duel deck containing an alternate art foil Elspeth is $20. Wat.
ya but its getting released right as elspeth rotates out, leading to a pretty big price drop.
Also, this is an Elspeth that Wizards will make money on, and their concern is making money selling cards, not what its secondary value is, since they dont sell cards in the secondary market. They havent made money on Elspeth since Shards went out of print about a year ago.
This seems like a dumb combo to pair up though.
Someone on MTG Salvation actually said Elspeth looks cool, will Tez get new art too? Um, dur.
ya but its getting released right as elspeth rotates out, leading to a pretty big price drop.Also, this is an Elspeth that Wizards will make money on, and their concern is making money selling cards, not what its secondary value is, since they dont s
Really, not a bad move, considering Elspeth has about four or five months left to be rampantly overvalues anyway. Now, the incredibly obvious next Duel Decks needs to be Tarmogoyf vs. Mana Drain.
Really, not a bad move, considering Elspeth has about four or five months left to be rampantly overvalues anyway.Now, the incredibly obvious next Duel Decks needs to be Tarmogoyf vs. Mana Drain.
What I really want to know if the deck colors are going to be "Mono White vs Mono Blue," "White/Green vs Blue/Black" (as a friend of mine suggested), or, my personal favorite, "Bant vs Esper."
If it's the last of these, which I'm hoping, I'm pulling for Knight of the Reliquary / Rafiq the Many for Elspeth's deck and Sphinx of the Steel Wind / Master of Etherium for Texxeret.
What I really want to know if the deck colors are going to be "Mono White vs Mono Blue," "White/Green vs Blue/Black" (as a friend of mine suggested), or, my personal favorite, "Bant vs Esper."If it's the last of these, which I'm hoping, I'm pulling f
Did Bolas ressurect Tez to fight Elspeth? Nice to see that each of the Duel Decks is getting some flavour representations with the wencomics. Does this mean that next year Sarkhan Vol is going to throw down with Nicol Bolas?
I think this particular duel is set before the events of the Alara block, because Elspeth is described as "adrift amongst the planes". Therefore, before she settled on Bant, therefore before Tezzeret's involvement/enslavement with Bolas.
Also, with Elspeth as expensive as she currently is, these decks are going to sell like wildfire. Getting one to use in a duel? Good luck.
Actually it would be after. Tezzeret's first 'walk' led to his meeting with Nicol and subsequent employment.
Elspeth found Bant early on when she was still a kid, after the events of Alara she ended up fleeing Bant (the soldiers found out she was some mage of great power ruining her disguise of just being another knight), so that's why she'd be wandering amongst planes.
I think this particular duel is set before the events of the Alara block, because Elspeth is described as "adrift amongst the planes". Therefore, before she settled on Bant, therefore before Tezzeret's involvement/enslavement with Bolas.Also, with El
Did Bolas ressurect Tez to fight Elspeth? Nice to see that each of the Duel Decks is getting some flavour representations with the wencomics. Does this mean that next year Sarkhan Vol is going to throw down with Nicol Bolas?
I think this particular duel is set before the events of the Alara block, because Elspeth is described as "adrift amongst the planes". Therefore, before she settled on Bant, therefore before Tezzeret's involvement/enslavement with Bolas.
Also, with Elspeth as expensive as she currently is, these decks are going to sell like wildfire. Getting one to use in a duel? Good luck.
Actually it would be after. Tezzeret's first 'walk' led to his meeting with Nicol and subsequent employment.
Elspeth found Bant early on when she was still a kid, after the events of Alara she ended up fleeing Bant (the soldiers found out she was some mage of great power ruining her disguise of just being another knight), so that's why she'd be wandering amongst planes.
Ok, that's also possible, but the description blurb still sounds more like their pre-Shards situations to me. Tezzeret may have worked for Bolas early on, but he was still his own person ("true allegiance is only to himself") to the point of stabbing Bolas in the back and taking over his company. Set in the "current" timeframe, or shortly after, Tezzeret would be firmly under Bolas' control unless Bolas messed up his whole resurrection/mind control thing up bad. He'd be in no position to use anyone as pawns for his own personal quest for power.
Although, I'm wondering if I'm putting too much thought into this. Does Wizards actually go through and say "when and where does this Duel Deck conflict occur in the timeline of the multiverse?", or do they just say "Hey, we need some more Duel Decks. What two planeswalkers would be cool fighting?"
I think this particular duel is set before the events of the Alara block, because Elspeth is described as "adrift amongst the planes". Therefore, before she settled on Bant, therefore before Tezzeret's involvement/enslavement with Bolas.Also, with El
Tezzeret should be able to have his own pawns, even while serving Bolas.
"The finest pawns are those with pawns of their own."
—Nicol Bolas (flavor text from the card "Rakka Mar")
With the Duel Decks my buying pattern has been: no planeswalkers = buy 2 planeswalkers = buy 4
I already have 4 Elspeths, but odds are good I'll still get 4 of these Duel Decks anyway, assuming they aren't sold out.
Tezzeret should be able to have his own pawns, even while serving Bolas."The finest pawns are those with pawns of their own."—Nicol Bolas (flavor text from the card "Rakka Mar")With the Duel Decks my buying pattern has been:no planeswalkers = buy
This will be a stupid meh product: it'll never be sold at that price. Vendors will have to sell it at twice or thrice the price because of the limited numbers of Duel Decks...
This will be a stupid meh product: it'll never be sold at that price. Vendors will have to sell it at twice or thrice the price because of the limited numbers of Duel Decks...
I think this is a great idea especially with players on a limited budget. People can atleast stop complaining about these 2 cards. Also, this could mean these cards will see a reprint in 2011. That would be awesome. I know I am particularly excited about Tezzeret seeing an extended stay in standard. We all know how awesome Elspeth is already. I think Elspeth prices will come down a bit and I don't these these decks will be too expensive. Unlike the From the Vaults these will be available at big box retailers. If you are scared about supply preorder some from stores like Hobby Town. I don't think people will have trouble getting them for the first few weeks anyway from Wal-Marts and such. I do think they'll eventually be hard to come by however.
I think this is a great idea especially with players on a limited budget. People can atleast stop complaining about these 2 cards. Also, this could mean these cards will see a reprint in 2011. That would be awesome. I know I am particularly excited a
1st I will buy this product from Wal-Mart so there will be no markup from the MSRP. 2nd as others have mentioned the price of those two planeswalkers will fall to Garruk and Lilliana levels. Maybe slightly higher but they will be less than 20 after this product is released. Granted there will still be vendors out there selling this product for 25-30 dollars but this isn't going to be like the "from the valuts" limited print runs. With that said all (or nearly all) of the duel decks went up in price once they were no longer being printed so buy it while it's still in print. 3rd I may be going out on a limb here but I think the 2 mythics will be Tezzeret and Elspeth and they'll probably follow the Coalition vs Phyrexia format with 5 other "rares"
I hope they do the "esper" vs "bant" but I could totally see this being a W vs U duel decks. Obviously Tezzeret is going to have a bunch of artifacts in his deck. I am trying to picture these decks and potential decklists and I am totally excited.
(I am also on board with the pirates vs. ninjas decks provided they make some upgrades to the crappy decklists they showed us on april fools day a couple of years ago)
1st I will buy this product from Wal-Mart so there will be no markup from the MSRP. 2nd as others have mentioned the price of those two planeswalkers will fall to Garruk and Lilliana levels. Maybe slightly higher but they will be less than 20 after t
and wizards continues the trend of giving ridiculously expensive staple cards IN FOIL to players on a budget by putting them in duel decks. there have been several things you guys have done in the past year or so that i disliked but this is one of the best things you do, and it's appreciated.
edit: oh, and i continue to be baffled by tezzeret's character. he's monoblue, and yet every description of his character from the novels to this and other similar descriptive quotes:
"Tezzeret is an artificer equal parts ambition and etherium, the arcane alloy that imbues his body. His true allegiance is only to himself, and he's unafraid to use allies as well as enemies as pawns in his quest for power."
scream monoblack so loud my ears hurt. when exactly did blue's core identity change to "ambition and selfishness and being power hungry exactly like monoblack"?
and wizards continues the trend of giving ridiculously expensive staple cards IN FOIL to players on a budget by putting them in duel decks. there have been several things you guys have done in the past year or so that i disliked but this is one of th
His card is mono blue, but his character is Blue/Black.
Looking at the card "Tezzeret the Seeker," there's nothing about it that isn't blue. Blue loves artifacts and so does this card.
But look at the character of "Tezzeret the Seeker." Look at how he's represented in the novels and storylines. He's wickedly intelligent (particularly his skill at artisanship), ambitious (his usurption of Nicol Bolas' Infinite Consortium is proof enough of that), and merciless (particularly in his punishment of Jace in Agents of Artifice).
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we're given Tezzeret 2.0 in Scars of Mirrodin, and I further wouldn't be surprised if his card is Blue/Black this time around.
His card is mono blue, but his character is Blue/Black.Looking at the card "Tezzeret the Seeker," there's nothing about it that isn't blue. Blue loves artifacts and so does this card.But look at the character of "Tezzeret the Seeker." Look at how
Awesome! I am so glad I didn't spend $45.00 on Elspeth the other day on E-bay. Going to wait until Sept.
Can we get a Jace the Mind Sculptor in a duel deck please?
Awesome! I am so glad I didn't spend $45.00 on Elspeth the other day on E-bay. Going to wait until Sept.Can we get a Jace the Mind Sculptor in a duel deck please?
Yay, Staggershock wallpaper! That card was in the first RoE booster I opened, and it made me happy purely for owning something with that awesome art on it. Last time I felt like that was Toil to Renown , and Staggershock has the benefit of being a great card as well as having great art. (Whereas Toil to Renown is an awful, awful card, and its lovely art is the only point justifying its existence. Although that said there was one game I lost because it bought my opponent enough time to beat me, which was kinda cool.)
My question is, just what is the symbol supposed to be? I cannot really tell at all.
It's a stylised letter E and T. Very stylised. The same way JvC had stylised letters J and C, and GvL had... a leaf and horns.
Yay, Staggershock wallpaper!That card was in the first RoE booster I opened, and it made me happy purely for owning something with that awesome art on it. Last time I felt like that was [c]Toil to Renown[/c], and Staggershock has the benefit of being
It looks cool, but just like jace vs. chandra, it's gonna be at a heftier price than this article claims.
The price didn't go up for quite awhile. 1.5-2 years after they stopped printing it the price started to rise. We can expect the same with this. Places like Wal-Mart will help to keep the price normal for as long as the product remians in print.
As for Tezzeret. I also think he'll be B/U in scars of mirrodin (if he is in the set and I think he will be). I think his earlier version was mono blue because it represented him as the seeker of knowlege. Blue is generally the color of this type of character.
The price didn't go up for quite awhile. 1.5-2 years after they stopped printing it the price started to rise. We can expect the same with this. Places like Wal-Mart will help to keep the price normal for as long as the product remians in print. As f
Wow, a deck with 3 Walletslayer Angel s and 3 Jace, the Consumer of Cash s. How awesome and unique. Seriously, though, it's not hard to take some overpriced mythics and slap them together and call it a deck. This one gets 2/5 stars from me, and only gets the 2 because it's effective. No stars for originality.
[Daily Deck May 28]Wow, a deck with 3 [c=baneslayer angel]Walletslayer Angel[/c]s and 3 [c=Jace, the mind sculptor]Jace, the Consumer of Cash[/c]s. How awesome and unique. Seriously, though, it's not hard to take some overpriced mythics and slap them
Thank you for presenting the Staggershock wallpaper. Some cheeky naysayers might harumph and boo/tease its fans, but talks have produced a strong consensus that the art is well-rounded and certainly above the curve. Many of us have been asking for it and we would have been quite bummed if the request had fallen behind to the rear or bottom of the queue.
Thank you for presenting the [c]Staggershock[/c] wallpaper. Some cheeky naysayers might harumph and boo/tease its fans, but talks have produced a strong consensus that the art is well-rounded and certainly above the curve. Many of us have been aski
and wizards continues the trend of giving ridiculously expensive staple cards IN FOIL to players on a budget by putting them in duel decks. there have been several things you guys have done in the past year or so that i disliked but this is one of the best things you do, and it's appreciated.
Totally agreed. Except I'd be far happier if they weren't foil but oh well. (And PS, boo on the Reserve List decision after Phyrexian Negator ticked off a bunch of collector-speculator buttheads; a loophole for wiggling out of the stupidest of all of Wizards' company policies would have been one legit reason for foils to exist.)
edit: oh, and i continue to be baffled by tezzeret's character. he's monoblue, and yet every description of his character from the novels to this and other similar descriptive quotes:
"Tezzeret is an artificer equal parts ambition and etherium, the arcane alloy that imbues his body. His true allegiance is only to himself, and he's unafraid to use allies as well as enemies as pawns in his quest for power."
scream monoblack so loud my ears hurt. when exactly did blue's core identity change to "ambition and selfishness and being power hungry exactly like monoblack"?
Keep in mind, this is still the game where black MUST HAVE ZOMBIES AND DEMONS BECAUSE EVIL IS SEXY AND TASTES GOOD LIKE TOTALLY WICKED DUDE *SCREAMING GUITAR RIFF*. Anybody who JUST wants to rule the world, without also wanting to crush the skulls of their enemies and sit on a throne of blood before a fountain of skulls (yes you read that right) can't be Black. Pandering to the LCD will always trump serious ideological analysis. As a color pie guru who isn't trying to sell product to angry adolescents, I totally agree that Tezz should be black, though also blue since he does have a drive to hoard knowledge for its own sake, as well as for power.
Totally agreed. Except I'd be far happier if they weren't foil but oh well. (And PS, boo on the Reserve List decision after Phyrexian Negator ticked off a bunch of collector-speculator buttheads; a loophole for wiggling out of the stupidest of al
Does anyone else find it a bit frustrating that this deck comes out only a month before the planeswalkers rotate out of standard?
Yes, but IMHO this is a minor issue I'll be happy to get this issue of the duel decks. Even their time in extended has been cut pretty short but tezzeret, the seeker has seen some play in legacy and these two planeswalkers are good for fun decks even if you don't bring them to your local tournament.
Yes, but IMHO this is a minor issue I'll be happy to get this issue of the duel decks. Even their time in extended has been cut pretty short but [c]tezzeret, the seeker[/c] has seen some play in legacy and these two planeswalkers are good for fun dec
deck in the core-set.
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