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Switch to Forum Live View 3/18/2010 FtL: "Spring In Our Steps"
3 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2010 - 5:17AM #11
helphelpe
Date Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 974

The ability will use the stack but you can't use that the way you think you can.

The ability itsself puts 2 lands into play at the same time which does give you 2 triggers per bloodghast in the graveyard. But if you let the first trigger resolve and bloodghast returns to play, the second trigger becomes useless because the game doesn't recognize that bloodghast anymore as being the same one who was triggered earlier.

Compare it to somebody trying to terror your creature and in response you play Momentary Blink . The terror doesn't happen anymore because your creature has switched zones and since then has become a different object for the game.

Amulet of vigor does work like you think it does because the land doesn't change zones in between the resolution of triggers. It is the zone changing that can be confusing but you could think of it like this: The game sees something somewhere (a card in play, your hand, your graveyard) as an object that came to that place at a certain time in the game. If it leaves that zone and goes somewhere else and comes back again, it doesn't recognize it as the exact same card with the same triggers and effects on it as before it left because to the game it came to that zone at another time (making it different).

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Coke Spill
Level 1 Encounter Attack Power
Trigger: You must be pouring yourself a drink
Range: Close Blast 1D10 from Player
Target: All creatures and objects within blast
Attack: Any vs. Reflex
Hit: 1d6 Fizzy damage and target is wet (save ends)
Aftereffect: Target is sticky (save ends)
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2010 - 5:19AM #12
RustedKnight
Date Joined: Oct 15, 2009
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Mar 18, 2010 -- 5:17AM, helphelpe wrote:

The ability will use the stack but you can't use that the way you think you can.

The ability itsself puts 2 lands into play at the same time which does give you 2 triggers per bloodghast in the graveyard. But if you let the first trigger resolve and bloodghast returns to play, the second trigger becomes useless because the game doesn't recognize that bloodghast anymore as being the same one who was triggered earlier.

Compare it to somebody trying to terror your creature and in response you play Momentary Blink . The terror doesn't happen anymore because your creature has switched zones and since then has become a different object for the game.

Amulet of vigor does work like you think it does because the land doesn't change zones in between the resolution of triggers. It is the zone changing that can be confusing but you could think of it like this: The game sees something somewhere (a card in play, your hand, your graveyard) as an object that came to that place at a certain time in the game. If it leaves that zone and goes somewhere else and comes back again, it doesn't recognize it as the exact same card with the same triggers and effects on it as before it left because to the game it came to that zone at another time (making it different).


got it.

atleast now I can understand where they've gone wrong now, and will know not to make a similar mistake.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2010 - 8:03AM #13
mellojoe
Date Joined: Jan 10, 2006
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I wonder how that Walls deck would be if we snuck in Doran?  You could do without the Cradle, since most of your creatures would get a huge "bump" from Doran.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2010 - 8:21AM #14
mellojoe
Date Joined: Jan 10, 2006
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Blitz Hellion
Selective Memory
Treasure Hunt
Conflagrate

It'd be a R/u/g deck.  Eventually you'd be replaying Hellion every turn.  But before that you'd have a turn in which you Treasure Hunt'ed your hand full of 10 or 20 lands plus that Conflagrate.  You'd play the Conflagrate for whatever you can.  Then flash it back by discarding 12 or 13 lands.  (You can even get it into your graveyard by paying 0 for X, thus you'd need + .  Anything else is bonus.)

Next turn, if they aren't dead yet, you'd start the Blitz.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2010 - 9:45AM #15
Vektor480
Date Joined: Apr 5, 2008
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Why no Draco instead of the wurm in the last deck? It actually costs more mana...
And I liked the decks, nice ideas. If there were a way to turn the last deck into an endless machine gun, returning the exiled cards to your library.
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Jan 14, 2012 -- 5:42PM, Vektor480 wrote:

I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".


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Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:28PM, Qmark wrote:

Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:15PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.

Now, now.
1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".


Oct 11, 2011 -- 9:43PM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Oh, it's a brilliant plan.  You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat.  Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit.  He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee.  "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk.  He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy.  He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right.  Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms.
"THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!"

And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.


Feb 25, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Mown wrote:

Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.


Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:47PM, Qmark wrote:

Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:36PM, SleetFox wrote:

This thread has gotten creepy.  XP

Really?
Really?

The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?


Jun 26, 2011 -- 5:52AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:59AM, Mown wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:44AM, skeindubh wrote:


4 tropical island
4 savannah
4 bayou
4 taiga
4 savannah


Nice mana base.
Not really.



Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.


May 2, 2011 -- 8:18AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.


Apr 3, 2011 -- 1:39AM, DrWorm wrote:

Apr 3, 2011 -- 12:02AM, crazysamaritan wrote:

Of course, the best use [of tolaria west ] is transmuting for the real Tolaria.



Absolutely.  I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria , and I was finally able win my first game.


Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

WOAH

wait wait wait

Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated



OH MY GOD


Nov 22, 2011 -- 3:52PM, Pontiac wrote:

The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 8:55PM, Glasir wrote:

The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.


Jan 21, 2011 -- 7:11AM, Qmark wrote:


Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available.
"No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.


Jul 10, 2012 -- 11:28AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.



Aug 3, 2011 -- 6:46PM, ChaosLight wrote:

You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Oct 10, 2011 -- 5:53PM, Rubik wrote:

You just... Vektor it.


That's the answer to everything.


Jan 17, 2011 -- 6:16PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

Jan 17, 2011 -- 5:58PM, Ragnarokio wrote:


I think the problem is that you don't exist.


This would sound great out of context!


Dec 19, 2011 -- 9:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.


Aug 4, 2011 -- 2:15PM, Mown wrote:

Aug 4, 2011 -- 1:45PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:


I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.


You make it sound like that's still not the case.


Jan 4, 2011 -- 3:04AM, Niklor wrote:

Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.


Doug Beyer:

But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?


Mar 20, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Terti wrote:

Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :


Aug 15, 2011 -- 8:06PM, Veslfen wrote:

to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.


Aug 1, 2011 -- 12:35AM, Ragnarokio wrote:

when in rome RAPE AND PILLAGE


Jan 31, 2012 -- 11:23AM, TchainT wrote:

I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.


Dymecoar:

Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets.  You can do it...but why?


Omega137:

Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right."
Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"


Zigeif777:

Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.


Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:09AM, quadibloc wrote:

It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf , Darksteel Colossus , or Platinum Angel . It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus , Mox Sapphire , and Time Walk .


Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.


Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:11PM, Test-Subject_217601 wrote:

Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:06PM, NeoMint wrote:

I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...


They can when they're using lightsabers !


Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:59AM, Sebanovich wrote:

Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:54AM, Long_Con wrote:

My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days.  We named it Grixis, but it died. 


Unearth it!


Jan 15, 2011 -- 8:07PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

I'm a Da Vinci Neurok.





And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you?
Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now.
Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
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