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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 3:55AM
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when does the mana that never empties return after you use it
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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 5:41AM
#22
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when does the mana that never empties return after you use it
It never returns. Once you spend it, it's gone. Of course, you can always make more by tapping a Forest or in some other way
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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 7:22AM
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Oct 20, 2004
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when does the mana that never empties return after you use it
Where do you see he phrase "never empties" on Omnath?
It says "doesn't empty from your mana pool as steps and phases end" - all one clause. No part of that indicates that it can't leave at some other time than steps and/or phases ending.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 5:56PM
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o.k. doesn't empty. it still cannot be empty at anytime. if it did it would say do's empty as you us it. hint if you have a cup of water that doesn't empty then when is it empty.( hint, it is never empty ) hince the do's not or never ,which ever still, applies. seriuosly , if a card said your life total doesn't empty even if you recieve life damage would we be having this same argument.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 6:02PM
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o.k. doesn't empty. it still cannot be empty at anytime. if it did it would say do's empty as you us it. hint if you have a cup of water that doesn't empty then when is it empty.( hint, it is never empty ) hince the do's not or never ,which ever still, applies. seriuosly , if a card said your life total doesn't empty even if you recieve life damage would we be having this same argument.
Your interpretation of the rules governing this card is incorrect. Nothing about Omnath takes away the fact that you have to pay for spells using the mana in your mana pool, and when you do that, that mana is no longer in your pool.
The only thing Omnath does is it changes the rule that would normally empty your pool at the end of each step and phase. Instead, green mana does not empty at those times. The words "spend" and "empty" have different meanings, and the card Omnath does not say that green mana "never" empties, but only that it doesn't empty at the end of each phase and step.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 6:03PM
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Jun 17, 2004
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o.k. doesn't empty. it still cannot be empty at anytime. if it did it would say do's empty as you us it. hint if you have a cup of water that doesn't empty then when is it empty.( hint, it is never empty ) hince the do's not or never ,which ever still, applies. seriuosly , if a card said your life total doesn't empty even if you recieve life damage would we be having this same argument.
Think of it this way: normally, you dump out your cup on the ground every once in a while. Tapping a Forest  is like pouring green Kool-Aid in your cup. If you drink a little Kool-Aid, it gives you energy to do a backflip or sommersault. Omnath, Locus of Mana  tells you not to dump out the glass on the ground. The cup can still go empty if you drink it all to do gymnastics.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 6:09PM
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Sep 17, 2004
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o.k. doesn't empty. it still cannot be empty at anytime. if it did it would say do's empty as you us it. hint if you have a cup of water that doesn't empty then when is it empty.( hint, it is never empty ) hince the do's not or never ,which ever still, applies. seriuosly , if a card said your life total doesn't empty even if you recieve life damage would we be having this same argument.
Here is the rule:
116.3a Paying mana is done by removing the indicated mana from a player's mana pool. (Players can always pay 0 mana.) If excess mana remains in that player's mana pool after making that payment, the player announces what mana is still there.
Omnath makes no attempt to interfere with this rule. If your Omnath says something like "Green mana doesn't empty from your mana pool as you spend it." or "Green mana doesn't empty from your mana pool under any circumstances.", then you have what is known as a Valuable Misprint.
No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2010 - 6:11PM
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o.k. doesn't empty. it still cannot be empty at anytime. if it did it would say do's empty as you us it. hint if you have a cup of water that doesn't empty then when is it empty.( hint, it is never empty ) hince the do's not or never ,which ever still, applies. seriuosly , if a card said your life total doesn't empty even if you recieve life damage would we be having this same argument.
It does not need to say that it empties as you use it because the rules say that, and this card is not negating those rules in any way; it only interferes with the 'empty at end of steps/phases' rule(s).
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3 years ago ::
Mar 14, 2010 - 12:04AM
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o.k. doesn't empty. it still cannot be empty at anytime. if it did it would say do's empty as you us it. hint if you have a cup of water that doesn't empty then when is it empty.( hint, it is never empty ) hince the do's not or never ,which ever still, applies. seriuosly , if a card said your life total doesn't empty even if you recieve life damage would we be having this same argument.
I'm not even sure how everyone else seems to be able to read this.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 14, 2010 - 12:14AM
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o.k. doesn't empty. it still cannot be empty at anytime. if it did it would say do's empty as you us it. hint if you have a cup of water that doesn't empty then when is it empty.( hint, it is never empty ) hince the do's not or never ,which ever still, applies. seriuosly , if a card said your life total doesn't empty even if you recieve life damage would we be having this same argument.
My best guess - judging partly by your writing style, or lack thereof - is that you don't understand that "Green mana doesn't empty from your mana pool" is not the whole sentence (possibly because of where the line break is in Gatherer, or possibly because your reading comprehension is just that bad).
You don't get to stop reading in mid-sentence; keep going until you see a period. The whole sentence is "Green mana doesn't empty from your mana pool as steps and phases end." This does not say anything about whether it empties from your mana pool at other times, so the normal rules for that apply.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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