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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 5:18PM
#51
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I have another quick couple of questions.
If a first strike creature attacks and multiple creatures block it -- let's say 3 blockers -- the attacking(first strike) creature gets to disperse the damage among the 3 blockers is able, right? If so, let's say the 3 blockers are 1/1 tokens or something, and the first strike is a 3/3 (Maybe Battle Hurda or something). The player controlling the attacking, first strike, creature could disperse 1 damage for each blocker, correct? On that note, if the attacking player chose to do so, would that mean first strike would activate for each 1 damage dispersed among the 3 blockers or would it only activate one of the 3 blockers?
I hope that makes sense. Basically, if a first strike is blocked by multiple creatures and the controlling player chooses to disperse the first strike's damage evenly throughout the blockers, if applicable, would first strike activate once or multiple times? SORT OF like deathtouch -- how it would kill any blocker that was dealt at least 1 damage from the attacking, deathtouch creature.
I understand that in a different scenario in which the blockers had more toughness, or even first strike themselves, that the outcome would be different, but again I am only trying to find out how many times first strike activates when damage is dispersed versus the typical one time. This is not including double strike by the way.
Another question is creature tokens. Can a creature token have equipment attached to it? Provided, obviously, the player pays the activation cost, etc. I personally would not see why not, but I have no real idea and that is why I figure I'd ask. On that same note, auras can be casted on creature tokens as well I would assume? Just like any other creature.
With creature tokens in mind, when a creature token is sent to the graveyard, is it actually sent to the graveyard or just exiled? What about if a creature token is sent back to it's owner's hand using something like Unsummon? Assuming that a creature token can be targeted by Unsummon(again I don't see why not, but I am a noob), where does the token go? Not the owner's hand I am sure, since it has no mana cost to be played. Is it basically just exiled?
Thanks again to everyone for helping out a noob. I appreciate it as always!
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 5:31PM
#52
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If a first strike creature attacks and multiple creatures block it -- let's say 3 blockers -- the attacking(first strike) creature gets to disperse the damage among the 3 blockers is able, right? If so, let's say the 3 blockers are 1/1 tokens or something, and the first strike is a 3/3 (Maybe Battle Hurda or something). The player controlling the attacking, first strike, creature could disperse 1 damage for each blocker, correct?
Yes, that's all correct.
On that note, if the attacking player chose to do so, would that mean first strike would activate for each 1 damage dispersed among the 3 blockers or would it only activate one of the 3 blockers?
What do you mean, 'activate'? All 3 of the first striker's damage is dealt at the same time, no matter what it's being dealt to.
First strike functions by changing the time that the creature deals its combat damage. It's not a property of the damage or something like that.
Another question is creature tokens. Can a creature token have equipment attached to it? Provided, obviously, the player pays the activation cost, etc. I personally would not see why not, but I have no real idea and that is why I figure I'd ask. On that same note, auras can be casted on creature tokens as well I would assume? Just like any other creature.
Right, they're creatures. Period. There is no way at all that a token creature differs from a normal creature except that it doesn't have an actual card to represent it and that after it leaves the battlefield it ceases to exist. In all ways, they are exactly the same as normal creatures.
With creature tokens in mind, when a creature token is sent to the graveyard, is it actually sent to the graveyard or just exiled? What about if a creature token is sent back to it's owner's hand using something like Unsummon? Assuming that a creature token can be targeted by Unsummon(again I don't see why not, but I am a noob), where does the token go? Not the owner's hand I am sure, since it has no mana cost to be played. Is it basically just exiled?
The token goes to wherever you were told to put it, and once it is there it then evaporates and ceases to exist. (Which is not the same thing as being exiled.)
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 5:34PM
#53
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If any creature in Combat has First (or Double) Strike, it means that damage will happen in two different steps. In the First Strike Damage Step, only creatures with First/Double Strike will deal their damage. In your example, the Battle Hurda could deal 1 damage to each of the 1/1 blockers. Since they've taken lethal damage, they are destroyed. Now we enter the Regular Combat Damage Step. The Battle Hurda has already done its damage, so it doesn't get to do anything, and the 1/1s are already dead, so they don't get to do anything either. No damage is dealt. You don't need to choose to activate First Strike or anything. It just changes the time that creature deals its damage. (In fact, you can't "turn off" First Strike even if it would be harmful for some reason.) When a token leaves play ( bounced  , destroyed  , exiled  , etc.) it goes to the appropriate Zone first, so it triggers any relevant abilities, and then ceases to exist. Gerdef
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 5:40PM
#54
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Well First strike is first afterall
and Double Strick is First Strke plust regular combat damage....
I know bounced is unsummoning, but what's popped?
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 5:47PM
#55
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I know bounced is unsummoning, but what's popped?
The only time I've heard the term "popped" used is for triggered abilities or activated abilities, usually having a very destructive effect that includes the destruction or sacrifice of the permanent with the ability.
So things like Magus of the Disk  or Ashling the Pilgrim  are things that "pop" so to speak.
It's a less popular slang term, methinks.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 8:05PM
#56
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Feb 19, 2010
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Thank you all for the info. Lol, "activate" was a bad on my part. I keep forgetting certain words have literal ties and meanings to certain mechanics in this game. I know that First strike is a passive ability (Lmao, I am sorry if passive is one of those words that will cause more confusion) in which that the player does not activate it, but rather the card automatically does it given the proper circumstances are met. Such as first strike is a combat thing so it takes place during combat phases, etc. All I meant was basically what was given in my first example of the first question. I only reworded it because I felt like it came out all jumbled up and confusing. My mistake, and again I apologize. All the same you all answered my questions very well, and I thank you for that.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 8:09PM
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Feb 19, 2010
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Oh, also I think I get what you meant by "exile" being different than just completely being nonexistent, other than the obvious difference that is. Exiled cards still have the possiblity of returning by some manner or another whereas destroyed/bounced/etc creature tokens just completey disappear from the game all together, right?
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 8:30PM
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Oh, also I think I get what you meant by "exile" being different than just completely being nonexistent, other than the obvious difference that is. Exiled cards still have the possiblity of returning by some manner or another whereas destroyed/bounced/etc creature tokens just completey disappear from the game all together, right?
Exile is a zone of the game, just like the hand, or the graveyard, or the battlefield. If a token ever finds itself in a zone other than the battlefield, it ceases to exist. What that means is that the piece of paper, or bottlecap, or whatever, that was being used to represent the token is no longer a token but is instead once again just a piece of paper, a bottlecap, or whatever. It is no longer inside the scope of the game as such.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 9:35PM
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Thank you all for the info. Lol, "activate" was a bad on my part. I keep forgetting certain words have literal ties and meanings to certain mechanics in this game. I know that First strike is a passive ability (Lmao, I am sorry if passive is one of those words that will cause more confusion) in which that the player does not activate it, but rather the card automatically does it given the proper circumstances are met. Such as first strike is a combat thing so it takes place during combat phases, etc. All I meant was basically what was given in my first example of the first question. I only reworded it because I felt like it came out all jumbled up and confusing. My mistake, and again I apologize. All the same you all answered my questions very well, and I thank you for that.
The word you are looking for is Static, not passive. and don't worry, you'll understand the terminology eventually, most of it is pritty intuitive (You have to pay some cost to activate an activated ability, triggered abilities trigger off of some event occurung, and static abilities are just always "on" and don't move.)
Just as a reference
Activated abilities are written as Cost: Effect (the colon is key)
Triggered abilities are worded When/Whenever/At [something happens] effect.
and Static abilities are just written as statements (All creatures you control get +1/+1) or situationally true statements ( Kird Ape  gets +1/+2 if you control a forest).
Also, Targeting is very specific, and something only targets something if it says "target" (or is an Aura, which when casted, inherently target the thing they are attempting to enchant.) But "Choosing" and "all" aren't the same.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 8:17AM
#60
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Feb 19, 2010
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@Dan_Lynch
Right, that is what I figured, but I just was not sure. Thank you for clarifying it for me. Now I know for sure, and don't have to worry so much, or basically second guess myself. It seemed obvious that tokens would do what was said, and then cease to exist, but being the noob I am I found a lot of things that I thought were obvious and I was wrong.
@Ffancrzy
Thank you for the brief terminology reference. I realize there are plenty of terms out there, but this should definitely help me get a grasp on the stuff. That way I don't misuse certain words when describing certain things as I have been. That should help me understand everything a lot better which, in turn, I will be able to explain myself more clearly reducing the amount of confusion both within the thread and outside of it.
As always, I very much thank you all!
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