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3 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2010 - 10:18AM #1
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Making Magic, which goes live Monday morning (after the holiday break) on magicthegathering.com.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 9:46PM #2
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The first time I saw the new Jace, I also came to the conclusion that PW's were being evolved too quickly. I still think that's the case.

There have been so few PW's, that their (admittedly small) design space has hardly been mined at all. PW's have been around for three years, but there are still only a handful in existence.

Even the +1 / +1 loyalty on Elspeth is a significant evolution.

I don't disagree with this particular evolution. I just think it's premature.

I'd also like to see some structure to this evolution. The Elspeth +1 / +1 template could've been expanded out to all the PW's in the block, or Elspeth could've just had a black or red mirror. Will 4-ability Jace just be a random guy on his own?

Slow.... down.... the.... ev.... o.... lu... lu...

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 9:50PM #3
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Urge to rant...decreasing?

By golly, mister, it looks like Magic is hiting its stride again.  Of course, this generally means the next block is likely to break the game in half, again, and the one after that is going to be Homelands-bad, again.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 9:52PM #4
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How do you not even mention Peel From Reality when talking about Aether Tradewinds ?  May I suggest a less verbal diarrheaic description: "Tweaked Peel From Reality; more mana, hits permanents.

Eye of Ugin - what happened to "Lands should make mana"?
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 9:55PM #5
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Jan 31, 2010 -- 9:52PM, PhoenixLAU wrote:

Eye of Ugin - what happened to "Lands should make mana"?


Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 10:12PM #6
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I'm skeptical that Selective Memory would have been too good at 1U. Is it a Treasure Hunt Seismic Assault thing? Perhaps a Countryside Crusher thing?
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 10:45PM #7
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I really favor the creation of simple cards like Æther Tradewinds. Props for the namer!Laughing

Yeah, what's with the Eye of Ugin card?


Plus ... Join the Ranks reminded me of Cenn's Enlistment.


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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 10:57PM #8
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Jan 31, 2010 -- 9:50PM, Qmark wrote:

Urge to rant...decreasing?

By golly, mister, it looks like Magic is hiting its stride again.  Of course, this generally means the next block is likely to break the game in half, again, and the one after that is going to be Homelands-bad, again.




For me, the power creep cycle has stopped being predictable unlike the last time. Alara feels like the power-level reset button, given how little play it saw while Lorwyn was still around. However, now that Zendikar appears to be even weaker and two consecutives steps down hadn't been made before, its pretty difficult if the next set is going to be more powerful or weaker than now (Mirrodin sequel bringing another Affinity would be quite ironic, and exactly what noone wants to see).

If Limited gets in the way of printing good Constructed cards...

Screw limited
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 11:09PM #9
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Jan 31, 2010 -- 10:57PM, javert wrote:

Alara feels like the power-level reset button, given how little play it saw while Lorwyn was still around. However, now that Zendikar appears to be even weaker and two consecutives steps down hadn't been made before...


The general "pattern", if we can call it that, is a Power-down block followed by experimentalism.  When the crazy experiments don't rip the game in half, R&D starts to get cocky.

"Okay, guys, let's dial it back a bit."
"Now that we're settled down, lets do some things that never would have been 'safe' before."
"Hmmm... this worked out surprisingly non-disastrous.  Let's maybe make a 'fixed' version of some 'broken' cards?  Another 'free' mechanic, perhaps?"
"Aw crap!  We have to ban nine cards in Standard again!

It's not really a truly clockwork "Broken->Crap->Weird->Broken" pattern, but it does seem to be a recurring theme.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2010 - 11:47PM #10
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Jan 31, 2010 -- 9:52PM, PhoenixLAU wrote:

How do you not even mention Peel From Reality when talking about Aether Tradewinds ?  May I suggest a less verbal diarrheaic description: "Tweaked Peel From Reality; more mana, hits permanents.



This.

Zammm = Batman.
Bronies unite.
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Jul 29, 2012 -- 9:56PM, ChaosLight wrote:


Everything is better when you read it in Bane's voice.


Oct 18, 2012 -- 11:06AM, SteelWall wrote:

Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.


Oct 26, 2012 -- 8:17AM, Chaikov wrote:

Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.



Dec 3, 2012 -- 10:18PM, Splattercat wrote:


Funny story:
InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. 
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:

Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?"
Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." 
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."

I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.

Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.


My DM on Battleminds:

no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.





Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:28PM, Iam_IronMan wrote:


Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:20PM, Jerrymm91 wrote:

Hi guys!  So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic.  I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked.  Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon.  Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in.  Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play.  I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's.  However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks.  I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real.  I want to begin playing it as a regular.  My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck?  Or are there special rules?  Are some cards forbidden or restricted?  Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol. 


I have the same problem with women.




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Jan 7, 2012 -- 6:59PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.



Dec 2, 2012 -- 1:39PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.



Dec 17, 2012 -- 4:27PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.




Feb 8, 2012 -- 4:40AM, ArtVenn wrote:

I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now.

O' Jesus

Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle.

Amen.


Feb 17, 2011 -- 3:08AM, ArtVenn wrote:

Feb 16, 2011 -- 6:43PM, RPJesus wrote:

It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think  about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic , giving you time to set up your silly combo . Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills


Seriously, that was amazing.  I laughed my *ss off.  Made my day, and I just woke up.


ArtVenn
You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.




Jan 11, 2012 -- 7:19AM, Salla wrote:

Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:37AM, Ogiwan wrote:


.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?



Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again?

Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.


May 16, 2011 -- 12:18PM, Salla wrote:

I don't say this often, but ...

LOL



May 10, 2010 -- 7:37AM, AivaRuin wrote:



You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster...

Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil.

And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.



Jun 29, 2011 -- 11:05AM, Lineov wrote:

Jun 28, 2011 -- 2:44PM, Litmus wrote:



I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here.  ...



Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic


Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:37PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:35PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 9:58PM, HeartlessNobody wrote:

we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary


So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?


I lol'd.


Oct 26, 2011 -- 11:40PM, zammm wrote:

Oct 26, 2011 -- 7:43PM, TyGuy42 wrote:

Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?

The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."



Feb 9, 2012 -- 8:41AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

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Feb 9, 2012 -- 5:49AM, ORC_Ragnar wrote:

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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?



I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right?

Right.



Mar 9, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Garthanos wrote:

Mar 7, 2012 -- 4:54PM, RPJesus wrote:


Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).



Mar 19, 2012 -- 5:07PM, Kalnaur wrote:

Mar 19, 2012 -- 4:41PM, DoctorBadWolf wrote:


This just won the argument, AFAIC.



That's just awesome.



May 12, 2010 -- 9:36AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

May 11, 2010 -- 5:46PM, Master_Yumyums wrote:

HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?!  WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!



That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players.

And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it.

He/It got me with Light of Sanction , which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).



Dec 16, 2011 -- 10:16AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:


+10



Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:23PM, Eonblueapocalypse1 wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:13PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:02PM, tehbeast wrote:

heaven or hell.


Round 1. Lets rock.



GG quotes!

RPJesus just made this thread win!



Jul 25, 2012 -- 12:06AM, WhiteRaven810 wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 6:26PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 5:47PM, felisdomesticus wrote:


Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS.  I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about:  creatures.


Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad , things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed .



You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.



On what flavor text fits me:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 12:55AM, CadaverousBl00m wrote:

Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius ?



Sep 15, 2012 -- 4:24PM, Dragon_Nut wrote:


First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.



Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Banderbear wrote:


I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.



Jan 2, 2013 -- 7:46AM, royk wrote:



I you loads



Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:27PM, TV_Casualty wrote:

Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:17PM, RPJesus wrote:

"AINT NO LAWS IN THE SKY MOTHER****." - Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran


10/10. Amazing.



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