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So, from the spoiled card so far, we've got the possibility of allies becoming powerful, a ton of potentially broken mythic rares, some interesting traps, and the return of instant card draw.

But I'm wondering if any of them are powerful enough to replace other cards in current lists.

Jund - I don't think Jund is going to change at all beyond running the RG man-land, and possibly explore if it's cheap enough,

Boros - The new mythic red dragon token guy seems like a solid late-game threat for a stalled out boros, and it certainly fits well in valakut ramp decks, but I don't see RDW trying this guy out unless it's used as a sideboard answer to some control decks.

ELdrazi Green - This is the deck that I beleive is going to see the biggest changes. The mythic green elemental is a perfect fit in this deck, giving elfball lists ultimate efficiency with their overabundant mana. I also beleive this deck is going to splash white or red, since white provides them with solid creature threats + behemoth sledge, and red gives them a comet storm outlet if the mana battery gets plunked.

Junk - WIll also want to run the green mythic, and possibly explore as an alternative to noble hierarch. Possibly the WG manland if it's worth cutting down on plains/forests for feeding KotR. Smother will also make the sideboard at a minimum. Any solid discard engines will also be looked at. The green mythic makes mind shatter so much more appealing as a maindeck option.

Turbofog - hasn't seen any love yet.

RWU Control - Picked up a red-hoser for the sideboard, possibly the red creature trap, but unlikely.

Vamps - picked up another solid 2-drop to replace hexmage.

Any other uses for cards I haven't mentioned? I've toyed around with an allies list a few times, but I keep finding myself making a Junk Allies list that simply does better with a traditional Junk list.

Jan 18, 2010 -- 12:12PM, Razorgore wrote:

So, from the spoiled card so far, we've got the possibility of allies becoming powerful, a ton of potentially broken mythic rares, some interesting traps, and the return of instant card draw.

But I'm wondering if any of them are powerful enough to replace other cards in current lists.

Jund - I don't think Jund is going to change at all beyond running the RG man-land, and possibly explore if it's cheap enough,

Boros - The new mythic red dragon token guy seems like a solid late-game threat for a stalled out boros, and it certainly fits well in valakut ramp decks, but I don't see RDW trying this guy out unless it's used as a sideboard answer to some control decks.

ELdrazi Green - This is the deck that I beleive is going to see the biggest changes. The mythic green elemental is a perfect fit in this deck, giving elfball lists ultimate efficiency with their overabundant mana. I also beleive this deck is going to splash white or red, since white provides them with solid creature threats + behemoth sledge, and red gives them a comet storm outlet if the mana battery gets plunked.

Junk - WIll also want to run the green mythic, and possibly explore as an alternative to noble hierarch. Possibly the WG manland if it's worth cutting down on plains/forests for feeding KotR. Smother will also make the sideboard at a minimum. Any solid discard engines will also be looked at. The green mythic makes mind shatter so much more appealing as a maindeck option.

Turbofog - hasn't seen any love yet.

RWU Control - Picked up a red-hoser for the sideboard, possibly the red creature trap, but unlikely.

Vamps - picked up another solid 2-drop to replace hexmage.

Any other uses for cards I haven't mentioned? I've toyed around with an allies list a few times, but I keep finding myself making a Junk Allies list that simply does better with a traditional Junk list.

the new 2 drop will not replace hexmage..................

Quest for the nihil stone will make discard decks viable and jace could be added to discard as well in order to ensure that they don't draw answers once in top deck mode. With these two cards alone I honestly expect grixxis discard to be a force with WW.

Blue is obviously getting some love in the new jace, instant speed draws, man lands, and controllish cards like tideforce elemental. Most of the landfall controllish blue cards suggest a lean towards U/G as a viable control archetype. Maybe bant control will become a force as well.

Joraga warcaller might make elves an actual deck rather than just throwing together a bunch of tokens with eldrazi to pump them. 

Stone Idol trap may help out R/U trap decks or even pyromancer decks, especially with the new blue  control coming out. Chain reaction screams R/U control in my opinion as it's a 4 cc sweeper capable of taking out an army of massive creatures.

Skitter of lizards might be usable in RDW for the late game potential but RDW seems to already have better one drops so who knows if the late game potential is even worth it as it's not the most mana efficient creature out there.

Omnath Locus of Mana should be amazing and will definitely find its' place in many tier 1 decks in different formats (and possibly be the back bone of some) in my opinion. There's no telling what kind of craziness will happen because of him.

Jan 18, 2010 -- 3:17PM, magiciscrack wrote:

that quest wont help discard enough its not that great and horrible top deck..

IMO grixxis discard is a solid tier 2 or 3 deck as of right now. Taking 5 damage on top of what ever else you're taking and being sure that you're not going to draw answers is a horrible place to be in. If you're in top deck mode, the other guy has a couple of discard creatures on the board and is ensuring that you don't draw answers with jace, you might as well concede.

Sorry, but it's necessary when the top 3-5 decks in the meta all run red. Of course it hoses RDDW the worst, but it's also there to deal with Jund, RWU control, and boros.

As for the Quest for the Nihil Stone, I think it could be made into a solid deck. Niche made a great observation that MBC is likely going to turn towards dedicated discard as it's main threat, and that quest is certainly worthy of being an alternate win-con.

As for Omnath, I just see too many possibilities for him to not see some action is a lot of decks. Possibly one of the best topdeck cards in existence. He's like Protean Hydra + Mana Battery wrapped in one.