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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 6:49AM #21
RecurringSearch
Date Joined: Oct 15, 2007
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"This is why you burn your opponent while they're tapped out on your own turn instead of waiting for something fancy."


Harsh, man.  But true.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 7:05AM #22
Vektor480
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I like the deck. Not because it's new for me but because it's not expensive ($$) and wins in Extendend enviroment, besides using a neat combo. Way to go Jacob!
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Jan 14, 2012 -- 5:42PM, Vektor480 wrote:

I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".


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Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:28PM, Qmark wrote:

Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:15PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.

Now, now.
1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".


Oct 11, 2011 -- 9:43PM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Oh, it's a brilliant plan.  You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat.  Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit.  He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee.  "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk.  He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy.  He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right.  Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms.
"THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!"

And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.


Feb 25, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Mown wrote:

Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.


Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:47PM, Qmark wrote:

Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:36PM, SleetFox wrote:

This thread has gotten creepy.  XP

Really?
Really?

The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?


Jun 26, 2011 -- 5:52AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:59AM, Mown wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:44AM, skeindubh wrote:


4 tropical island
4 savannah
4 bayou
4 taiga
4 savannah


Nice mana base.
Not really.



Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.


May 2, 2011 -- 8:18AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.


Apr 3, 2011 -- 1:39AM, DrWorm wrote:

Apr 3, 2011 -- 12:02AM, crazysamaritan wrote:

Of course, the best use [of tolaria west ] is transmuting for the real Tolaria.



Absolutely.  I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria , and I was finally able win my first game.


Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

WOAH

wait wait wait

Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated



OH MY GOD


Nov 22, 2011 -- 3:52PM, Pontiac wrote:

The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 8:55PM, Glasir wrote:

The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.


Jan 21, 2011 -- 7:11AM, Qmark wrote:


Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available.
"No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.


Jul 10, 2012 -- 11:28AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.



Aug 3, 2011 -- 6:46PM, ChaosLight wrote:

You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Oct 10, 2011 -- 5:53PM, Rubik wrote:

You just... Vektor it.


That's the answer to everything.


Jan 17, 2011 -- 6:16PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

Jan 17, 2011 -- 5:58PM, Ragnarokio wrote:


I think the problem is that you don't exist.


This would sound great out of context!


Dec 19, 2011 -- 9:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.


Aug 4, 2011 -- 2:15PM, Mown wrote:

Aug 4, 2011 -- 1:45PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:


I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.


You make it sound like that's still not the case.


Jan 4, 2011 -- 3:04AM, Niklor wrote:

Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.


Doug Beyer:

But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?


Mar 20, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Terti wrote:

Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :


Aug 15, 2011 -- 8:06PM, Veslfen wrote:

to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.


Aug 1, 2011 -- 12:35AM, Ragnarokio wrote:

when in rome RAPE AND PILLAGE


Jan 31, 2012 -- 11:23AM, TchainT wrote:

I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.


Dymecoar:

Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets.  You can do it...but why?


Omega137:

Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right."
Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"


Zigeif777:

Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.


Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:09AM, quadibloc wrote:

It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf , Darksteel Colossus , or Platinum Angel . It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus , Mox Sapphire , and Time Walk .


Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.


Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:11PM, Test-Subject_217601 wrote:

Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:06PM, NeoMint wrote:

I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...


They can when they're using lightsabers !


Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:59AM, Sebanovich wrote:

Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:54AM, Long_Con wrote:

My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days.  We named it Grixis, but it died. 


Unearth it!


Jan 15, 2011 -- 8:07PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

I'm a Da Vinci Neurok.





And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you?
Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now.
Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 7:09AM #23
omniszron
Date Joined: May 12, 2009
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Most definitely Chalice of the Void is not a problem combo-wise. A problem occurs however, when you try to protect your Hive Mind with Pact of Negation . Besides, Repeal is such a versatile card, that I would leave it in regardless.

Jan 12, 2010 -- 10:09PM, momok69 wrote:

Does anybody else have other ideas for Hive Mind?



I always envisioned a deck with repeatable, ability-based counterspells (like Disruptive Student ), Hive Mind and some self-inflicting wound spells. It works like this: you have Hive Mind in play, cast One with Nothing . After everybody got their copy, you counter yours with Disruptive Student . Then you can try the same with other fun cards like Ashes to Ashes , Doomsday , Infernal Contract , Breakthrough for 0 or other happy stuff.

Jan 13, 2010 -- 5:35AM, Islanders4Ever wrote:

How about using Gigadrowse to protect your combo? If by any chance they have the mana to pay for the pacts after you cast them, just tap them out with Gigadrowse before you end your turn.



This actually never came up, so I don't see why it should be there. The combo goes off so early, that none of the opponents had 5 mana on the ready (and we should mention that it also requires one red mana). If you ain't casting this on turn four or five, it's probably because you've already lost, so I don't see Gigadrowse helping here.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 9:42AM #24
MadMageQc
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2006
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Jan 12, 2010 -- 9:25PM, kcostell wrote:

Article:..."Chalice of the Void for zero is game over if we don't play a card like this".

How exactly does this interaction work?

Q1: Does the Chalice trigger off of the hive mind copies, or do they not count as played?
Q2: If not, and if the Hive Mind ability resolves when the spell to be copied is already countered, does it fizzle?
Q3: If it fizzles, can you get around this by casting the pact on your opponent's turn instead of your own (your copy is countered so you don't have to pay, his isn't so he does on his next upkeep).


Q1: The copies are not cast, so Chalice of the Void does not trigger for them.


Q2: No, it doesn’t fizzle. It is true that if you cast the Pact on your turn, it will be countered by the Chalice before Hive Mind tries to copy it, but the copies will still be created. When it resolves, Hive Mind’s ability is unable to find the Pact on the stack, but then it just uses last known information about the Pact (how it looked like when it last was on the stack). “Fizzling” only happens when targets are chosen for a spell or ability, and then all of those targets become illegal with the spell or ability on the stack. There is no targeting involved here.


Q3 is therefore somewhat moot, although yes, casting the Pact on your opponent’s turn would work the way you describe.

So basically, Jacob's fear of Chalice is completely unwarranted. The only thing Chalice for 0 would achieve is prevent you from protecting the combo with Pact of Negation.

Jan 13, 2010 -- 5:35AM, Islanders4Ever wrote:

How about using Gigadrowse to protect your combo? If by any chance they have the mana to pay for the pacts after you cast them, just tap them out with Gigadrowse before you end your turn.


You cannot use Gigadrowse to prevent someone from paying for a Pact on their upkeep. The steps of the beginning phase are, in order, untap, upkeep and draw, and no one can cast spells during the untap step. If you cast Gigadrowse during your turn, your opponent will untap his permanents before having to pay for the Pact at the beginning of his upkeep, and the first time you can cast Gigadrowse during his turn is on his upkeep with the Pact trigger on the stack, which means he can just tap his lands for mana in response to Gigadrowse and float that mana for when he has to pay for the Pact.





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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 10:22AM #25
Garfong
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As mentioned, chalice for 0 does nothing against you.  An early chalice for 1 is worse as it turns off a lot of your spells, but repeal doesn't help here.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 10:52AM #26
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Date Joined: Jan 13, 2010
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This actually seems like a fun deck to play and uses two cards I've always wanted to stick in a deck: Hive Mind and Pact of Negation.

I would only make a couple of changes (forgive me if these cards are not available on MTGO, as I do not play online):

  1. I would drop the Shivan Reefs in favor of Gemstone Mines.  They should be roughly equivalent in cost (keeping the deck "budget"), but will eliminate the pain that could cost you a win in tough matchups.  The limited life of Gemstone Mine is hardly a drawback when the goal is to "go off" by turn 3.
  2. I would also consider swapping Sleight of Hand in for Serum Visions.  This is just a personal preference.  I would rather give up Scrye for the ability choose from two cards for U.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 11:43AM #27
MadMageQc
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 10:52AM, rambozo wrote:

This actually seems like a fun deck to play and uses two cards I've always wanted to stick in a deck: Hive Mind and Pact of Negation.

I would only make a couple of changes (forgive me if these cards are not available on MTGO, as I do not play online):

  1. I would drop the Shivan Reefs in favor of Gemstone Mines.  They should be roughly equivalent in cost (keeping the deck "budget"), but will eliminate the pain that could cost you a win in tough matchups.  The limited life of Gemstone Mine is hardly a drawback when the goal is to "go off" by turn 3.
  2. I would also consider swapping Sleight of Hand in for Serum Visions.  This is just a personal preference.  I would rather give up Scrye for the ability choose from two cards for U.


All of these cards are available on MTGO. Everything that's legal in Extended is.

I like the first suggestion a lot. I think I'd also play 2-3 Cascade Bluffs , which also aren't worth much of anything online, in addition to the Mines. It has the disadvantage of not being able to pay for a blue cantrip on turn one (To negate that drawback, I'd take out mountains for them, wich are seldom needed turn one) but other than that it's the best UR dual you can have on the cheap and that doesn't cause pain.

The second suggestion I like less. While you don't control what you draw with Serum Visions, you get to dig deeper to get what you need next turn, while Sleight of Hand only digs two cards deep and doesn't allow you to keep the second card if you'd want both.



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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 4:30PM #28
SugarShark
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gigadrowse or its equivalent might be necessary if your meta contains bant or faeries

when its mana leak versus your 3 rituals + hive mind and the mana leak is winning...

on the plus side your land isn't as awfully telling as hypergenesis' so an opponent might not know what you're playing game 1.

and a final caution
I have 1 bird of paradise in my deck and he knows how to make red mana
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 5:56PM #29
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Nice deck, but probably too late to use it in extended without a lot of luck. The combo's been broken already, and people know how to deal with it. Plus, it seems to have a bad matchup against Zoo.

Still, the Johnny/Spike in me really wants to take this to some local store and tear things apart.

Gemstone mines is a definite yes. You've already lost by the time it's dead, anyways. T4 seems to be the latest that this should go off, and you can always just play the caverns as your second or third land.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 8:00PM #30
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 4:30PM, SugarShark wrote:

gigadrowse or its equivalent might be necessary if your meta contains bant or faeries

when its mana leak versus your 3 rituals + hive mind and the mana leak is winning...

on the plus side your land isn't as awfully telling as hypergenesis' so an opponent might not know what you're playing game 1.

and a final caution
I have 1 bird of paradise in my deck and he knows how to make red mana




1: How does Gigadrowse do anythying for this deck? If they have 4R available then they tap lands in response to Gigadrowse.
2: You run Pact of Negation to stop Mana Leak. Personally I would run 4 maindeck (partially because its a win condition).
3: Hopefully, if the opponent has 4R available, you play Pact of the Titan, copying it, and then Pact of Negation, countering your own Titan and forcing your opponent to pay 7UUR. You might also put some Pacts of other colors in the sideboard if they're playing red and can get 5 mana when you go off.

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Jul 28, 2010 -- 12:53AM, Detektor wrote:

I just love how focused the YMtC community is.

Jul 28, 2010 -- 7:49PM, The_Anti_Body wrote:

That's what I love about posting on these forums. Everyone's an expert(except for me).

Aug 4, 2010 -- 3:11PM, razorborne wrote:

really no need to be so bitchy.

Aug 4, 2010 -- 9:50PM, JohnnyValdez wrote:

@Edacade: Awright kid you go on ahead and do your thing and don't let anyone tell you different y'hear

Aug 13, 2010 -- 2:34PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

City of Asymmetrical Beings
Land
, sacrifice a creature: Destroy target creature with the same converted mana cost as the sacrificed creature.

Jul 30, 2010 -- 4:20PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jul 30, 2010 -- 4:07PM, Mown wrote:

Might I just interject that making this a meme is the worst idea in magic in my opinion. It is too overpowered. It encourages cheating it in play. Essentially 99/100 times it is cheated in play instead of hardcast. Not only that, but you essentially win when it comes into play.



Aug 14, 2010 -- 10:31PM, CityofAs wrote:

Aug 14, 2010 -- 9:29PM, DrJWilson wrote:

Aug 13, 2010 -- 6:05PM, CityofAs wrote:


Make five-color hybrid tribal instant with buyback, kicker, cycling, card draw, token production, a steal effect, alternate casting cost and landfall that embodies the love that your mom and I share.



I think you just killed all chances of my card being elegant.

Ardency :1mana::symwu::symbr:
Tribal Instant - Soldier
You may have target opponent gain control of 3 permanents you control rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
As an additional cost to cast ~, choose two creatures you control, and sacrifice the rest. If you control a soldier, you can't sacrifice permanents this turn.
Landfall - If you had a land enter the battlefield under your control this turn, instead choose 4 creatures.
Kicker
You get an emblem with "As long as you control both chosen creatures, they have protection from everything."
If ~ was kicked, creatures you control get +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard until end of turn.
Cycling :2mana:
When you cycle ~, put two 2/2 Soldier creatures onto the battlefield.

Would this EVER fit on a card?~


Aside from a few wording mishaps (should say "each chosen creature" because it's not necessarily two) this is nice. Very simple and elegant. I like the alternate cost a lot, and the kicker goes nicely with the sacrifice. However, the cycling seems a bit powerful (4 power and a card for 3? Cycling is supposed be ba d . 8/10

EDIT: Just looked up "ardency". Lol.

Aug 30, 2010 -- 8:09PM, Ragnarokio wrote:

Aug 30, 2010 -- 6:21PM, CityofAs wrote:

Aug 29, 2010 -- 9:51PM, Niklor wrote:

Aug 29, 2010 -- 7:59PM, CityofAs wrote:

I'm immortalized too as long as no one deletes this post!



But in the shadow of the great one lurked many who sought to partake of his eternal glory.



Since when am I "many"?



You're a whole damn city.

Sep 6, 2010 -- 4:51PM, CityofAs wrote:

Sep 6, 2010 -- 4:47PM, Pacific_Ninja wrote:

Sep 6, 2010 -- 4:42PM, CityofAs wrote:

Sep 6, 2010 -- 4:40PM, Pacific_Ninja wrote:

Sep 6, 2010 -- 4:35PM, CityofAs wrote:

Ahem.

Aug 30, 2010 -- 10:46PM, JohnnyValdez wrote:

Vivisect 
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Vivisect, sacrifice a creature.
Draw three cards.
"For the sake of humanity," the surgeon whispered. The knife had never felt heavier in his hand.


I don't think a world that sacrifices so much would want to stop the making of children .



Vivisect =/= vasectomy


Now I just feel silly.


Sep 17, 2010 -- 3:36PM, zammm wrote:

I read over two hundred webcomics on a regular basis. "Terrible" doesn't even begin to describe me.

Sep 20, 2010 -- 10:20PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

Sep 20, 2010 -- 10:11PM, CityofAs wrote:

I think that this is the first wizards-community thread that actually made me laugh out loud. Maraxas, I love you.




Sep 7, 2012 -- 6:24PM, Ragnarokio wrote:

batman is a jerk in all of my dreams


mafia is fun so play it
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