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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 11:38AM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:07PM
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Thank you Jacob for a budget deck that feels budget - and it looks fun to boot! I'm not sure about the Shivan Reefs though; there must be something less painful, even if it's a turn slower.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:25PM
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Article:..."Chalice of the Void for zero is game over if we don't play a card like this".
How exactly does this interaction work?
Q1: Does the Chalice trigger off of the hive mind copies, or do they not count as played?
Q2: If not, and if the Hive Mind ability resolves when the spell to be copied is already countered, does it fizzle?
Q3: If it fizzles, can you get around this by casting the pact on your opponent's turn instead of your own (your copy is countered so you don't have to pay, his isn't so he does on his next upkeep).
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:37PM
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Date Joined:
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Article:..."Chalice of the Void for zero is game over if we don't play a card like this".
How exactly does this interaction work?
Q1: Does the Chalice trigger off of the hive mind copies, or do they not count as played?
Q2: If not, and if the Hive Mind ability resolves when the spell to be copied is already countered, does it fizzle?
Q3: If it fizzles, can you get around this by casting the pact on your opponent's turn instead of your own (your copy is countered so you don't have to pay, his isn't so he does on his next upkeep).
The Pacts cost 0.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:41PM
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The Pacts cost 0.
Which means your spells get countered. I was asking about the copies.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:42PM
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My friend won a 3 player game with something like this around turn 4 or 5, pretty much out of nowhere. It was great. I would make this deck, but the Negations are pretty pricy. They're pretty important, too; free combo protection that doubles as a win condition seems like something you shouldn't leave out.
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I just love how focused the YMtC community is.
That's what I love about posting on these forums. Everyone's an expert(except for me).
really no need to be so bitchy.
@Edacade: Awright kid you go on ahead and do your thing and don't let anyone tell you different y'hear
City of Asymmetrical Beings
Land
 , sacrifice a creature: Destroy target creature with the same converted mana cost as the sacrificed creature.
Might I just interject that making this a meme is the worst idea in magic in my opinion. It is too overpowered. It encourages cheating it in play. Essentially 99/100 times it is cheated in play instead of hardcast. Not only that, but you essentially win when it comes into play.
Make five-color hybrid tribal instant with buyback, kicker, cycling, card draw, token production, a steal effect, alternate casting cost and landfall that embodies the love that your mom and I share.
I think you just killed all chances of my card being elegant.
Ardency :1mana::symwu::symbr:
Tribal Instant - Soldier
You may have target opponent gain control of 3 permanents you control rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
As an additional cost to cast ~, choose two creatures you control, and sacrifice the rest. If you control a soldier, you can't sacrifice permanents this turn.
Landfall - If you had a land enter the battlefield under your control this turn, instead choose 4 creatures.
Kicker  
You get an emblem with "As long as you control both chosen creatures, they have protection from everything."
If ~ was kicked, creatures you control get +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard until end of turn.
Cycling :2mana:
When you cycle ~, put two 2/2 Soldier creatures onto the battlefield.
Would this EVER fit on a card?~
Aside from a few wording mishaps (should say "each chosen creature" because it's not necessarily two) this is nice. Very simple and elegant. I like the alternate cost a lot, and the kicker goes nicely with the sacrifice. However, the cycling seems a bit powerful (4 power and a card for 3? Cycling is supposed be ba  d  . 8/10
EDIT: Just looked up "ardency". Lol.
I'm immortalized too as long as no one deletes this post!
But in the shadow of the great one lurked many who sought to partake of his eternal glory.
Since when am I "many"?
You're a whole damn city.
Ahem.
Vivisect  
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Vivisect, sacrifice a creature.
Draw three cards.
"For the sake of humanity," the surgeon whispered. The knife had never felt heavier in his hand.
I don't think a world that sacrifices so much would want to stop the making of children  .
Vivisect =/= vasectomy
Now I just feel silly.
I read over two hundred webcomics on a regular basis. "Terrible" doesn't even begin to describe me.
I think that this is the first wizards-community thread that actually made me laugh out loud. Maraxas, I love you.
batman is a jerk in all of my dreams
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:54PM
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The Pacts cost 0.
Which means your spells get countered. I was asking about the copies.
Yeah, Jacob hasn't thought it through. Chalice is not a problem.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:55PM
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Date Joined:
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The Pacts cost 0.
Which means your spells get countered. I was asking about the copies.
The copies were not cast, they were put on to the stack. Chalice only counters spells that were cast. I'm no judge, but almost positive that your opponent's copies resolve.
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I just love how focused the YMtC community is.
That's what I love about posting on these forums. Everyone's an expert(except for me).
really no need to be so bitchy.
@Edacade: Awright kid you go on ahead and do your thing and don't let anyone tell you different y'hear
City of Asymmetrical Beings
Land
, sacrifice a creature: Destroy target creature with the same converted mana cost as the sacrificed creature.
Might I just interject that making this a meme is the worst idea in magic in my opinion. It is too overpowered. It encourages cheating it in play. Essentially 99/100 times it is cheated in play instead of hardcast. Not only that, but you essentially win when it comes into play.
Make five-color hybrid tribal instant with buyback, kicker, cycling, card draw, token production, a steal effect, alternate casting cost and landfall that embodies the love that your mom and I share.
I think you just killed all chances of my card being elegant.
Ardency :1mana::symwu::symbr:
Tribal Instant - Soldier
You may have target opponent gain control of 3 permanents you control rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
As an additional cost to cast ~, choose two creatures you control, and sacrifice the rest. If you control a soldier, you can't sacrifice permanents this turn.
Landfall - If you had a land enter the battlefield under your control this turn, instead choose 4 creatures.
Kicker
You get an emblem with "As long as you control both chosen creatures, they have protection from everything."
If ~ was kicked, creatures you control get +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard until end of turn.
Cycling :2mana:
When you cycle ~, put two 2/2 Soldier creatures onto the battlefield.
Would this EVER fit on a card?~
Aside from a few wording mishaps (should say "each chosen creature" because it's not necessarily two) this is nice. Very simple and elegant. I like the alternate cost a lot, and the kicker goes nicely with the sacrifice. However, the cycling seems a bit powerful (4 power and a card for 3? Cycling is supposed be ba d . 8/10
EDIT: Just looked up "ardency". Lol.
I'm immortalized too as long as no one deletes this post!
But in the shadow of the great one lurked many who sought to partake of his eternal glory.
Since when am I "many"?
You're a whole damn city.
Ahem.
Vivisect
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Vivisect, sacrifice a creature.
Draw three cards.
"For the sake of humanity," the surgeon whispered. The knife had never felt heavier in his hand.
I don't think a world that sacrifices so much would want to stop the making of children .
Vivisect =/= vasectomy
Now I just feel silly.
I read over two hundred webcomics on a regular basis. "Terrible" doesn't even begin to describe me.
I think that this is the first wizards-community thread that actually made me laugh out loud. Maraxas, I love you.
batman is a jerk in all of my dreams
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:59PM
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"The copies that Hive Mind's ability creates are created on the stack, so they're not "cast." Abilities that trigger when a player casts a spell (like Hive Mind's ability itself) won't trigger."
- from the rulings on hive mind in gatherer
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 10:06PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 10, 2010
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Well, three people said it works, so it must work. Don't tell the Chalice players though.
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Round 3: Dr_Demento, Keino
Round 4: KunouNoHana
Round 5: Maraxas-of-Keld, Stigma_Lasher
Round 6: royinator
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I just love how focused the YMtC community is.
That's what I love about posting on these forums. Everyone's an expert(except for me).
really no need to be so bitchy.
@Edacade: Awright kid you go on ahead and do your thing and don't let anyone tell you different y'hear
City of Asymmetrical Beings
Land
, sacrifice a creature: Destroy target creature with the same converted mana cost as the sacrificed creature.
Might I just interject that making this a meme is the worst idea in magic in my opinion. It is too overpowered. It encourages cheating it in play. Essentially 99/100 times it is cheated in play instead of hardcast. Not only that, but you essentially win when it comes into play.
Make five-color hybrid tribal instant with buyback, kicker, cycling, card draw, token production, a steal effect, alternate casting cost and landfall that embodies the love that your mom and I share.
I think you just killed all chances of my card being elegant.
Ardency :1mana::symwu::symbr:
Tribal Instant - Soldier
You may have target opponent gain control of 3 permanents you control rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
As an additional cost to cast ~, choose two creatures you control, and sacrifice the rest. If you control a soldier, you can't sacrifice permanents this turn.
Landfall - If you had a land enter the battlefield under your control this turn, instead choose 4 creatures.
Kicker
You get an emblem with "As long as you control both chosen creatures, they have protection from everything."
If ~ was kicked, creatures you control get +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard until end of turn.
Cycling :2mana:
When you cycle ~, put two 2/2 Soldier creatures onto the battlefield.
Would this EVER fit on a card?~
Aside from a few wording mishaps (should say "each chosen creature" because it's not necessarily two) this is nice. Very simple and elegant. I like the alternate cost a lot, and the kicker goes nicely with the sacrifice. However, the cycling seems a bit powerful (4 power and a card for 3? Cycling is supposed be ba d . 8/10
EDIT: Just looked up "ardency". Lol.
I'm immortalized too as long as no one deletes this post!
But in the shadow of the great one lurked many who sought to partake of his eternal glory.
Since when am I "many"?
You're a whole damn city.
Ahem.
Vivisect
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Vivisect, sacrifice a creature.
Draw three cards.
"For the sake of humanity," the surgeon whispered. The knife had never felt heavier in his hand.
I don't think a world that sacrifices so much would want to stop the making of children .
Vivisect =/= vasectomy
Now I just feel silly.
I read over two hundred webcomics on a regular basis. "Terrible" doesn't even begin to describe me.
I think that this is the first wizards-community thread that actually made me laugh out loud. Maraxas, I love you.
batman is a jerk in all of my dreams
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