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3 years ago ::
Jan 08, 2010 - 11:06AM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Making Magic, which goes live Monday morning (after the holiday break) on magicthegathering.com.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:07PM
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So milling is not unfun enough to remove, because some players like it, but countermagic is, even though some players like it. Got it.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:12PM
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But why? What's the difference between the card getting milled and it just being the bottom card of the deck? Logically, very little.
Not that little. You now can play around not drawing it!
...which doesn't actually defeat your point. Keep on keepin' on, mill. I got no qualms about you existing. Your brothers Stone Rain and Counterspell would be cool too, or at least their little kids, but I'll take what I can get.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:18PM
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...Altar of Dementia was just me pushing back. How about a milling deck that required you to play creatures? What would that look like?
Really? Did you seriously expect anyone to bother with a creature-based milling deck when you also printed Grindstone in the very same set?
Also, come to think of it, why didn't Grindstone get mentioned in this article even once?
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:18PM
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I will never understand the warped mentality it would take for someone to actually want to try games of Magic this way at the kitchen table, let alone in a tournament.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:40PM
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If Glimpse is the second most popular Ravnica card, what's the first? I guess I could just Google it.
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I just love how focused the YMtC community is.
That's what I love about posting on these forums. Everyone's an expert(except for me).
really no need to be so bitchy.
@Edacade: Awright kid you go on ahead and do your thing and don't let anyone tell you different y'hear
City of Asymmetrical Beings
Land
 , sacrifice a creature: Destroy target creature with the same converted mana cost as the sacrificed creature.
Might I just interject that making this a meme is the worst idea in magic in my opinion. It is too overpowered. It encourages cheating it in play. Essentially 99/100 times it is cheated in play instead of hardcast. Not only that, but you essentially win when it comes into play.
Make five-color hybrid tribal instant with buyback, kicker, cycling, card draw, token production, a steal effect, alternate casting cost and landfall that embodies the love that your mom and I share.
I think you just killed all chances of my card being elegant.
Ardency :1mana::symwu::symbr:
Tribal Instant - Soldier
You may have target opponent gain control of 3 permanents you control rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
As an additional cost to cast ~, choose two creatures you control, and sacrifice the rest. If you control a soldier, you can't sacrifice permanents this turn.
Landfall - If you had a land enter the battlefield under your control this turn, instead choose 4 creatures.
Kicker  
You get an emblem with "As long as you control both chosen creatures, they have protection from everything."
If ~ was kicked, creatures you control get +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard until end of turn.
Cycling :2mana:
When you cycle ~, put two 2/2 Soldier creatures onto the battlefield.
Would this EVER fit on a card?~
Aside from a few wording mishaps (should say "each chosen creature" because it's not necessarily two) this is nice. Very simple and elegant. I like the alternate cost a lot, and the kicker goes nicely with the sacrifice. However, the cycling seems a bit powerful (4 power and a card for 3? Cycling is supposed be ba  d  . 8/10
EDIT: Just looked up "ardency". Lol.
I'm immortalized too as long as no one deletes this post!
But in the shadow of the great one lurked many who sought to partake of his eternal glory.
Since when am I "many"?
You're a whole damn city.
Ahem.
Vivisect  
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Vivisect, sacrifice a creature.
Draw three cards.
"For the sake of humanity," the surgeon whispered. The knife had never felt heavier in his hand.
I don't think a world that sacrifices so much would want to stop the making of children  .
Vivisect =/= vasectomy
Now I just feel silly.
I read over two hundred webcomics on a regular basis. "Terrible" doesn't even begin to describe me.
I think that this is the first wizards-community thread that actually made me laugh out loud. Maraxas, I love you.
batman is a jerk in all of my dreams
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:48PM
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I will never understand the warped mentality it would take for someone to actually want to try games of Magic this way at the kitchen table, let alone in a tournament.
More for me, then. Glimpse the Unthinkable plus Izzet Guildmage with Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni as backup...good times. (Yeah, the deck was garbage by tournament standards. Fun, though.)
If Glimpse is the second most popular Ravnica card, what's the first? I guess I could just Google it.
I'm guessing Lightning Helix.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:51PM
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It's always bugged me the way Black and Blue got milling divided up. Between the two of them, I'd think blue would be the one more concerned with skillful manipulation and black would be the one concerned with brute force "drive them insane until they lose their whole personality." I mean, look at the name "Traumatize." That sounds way more black than blue. Which type of mage would you imagine torturing someone until they lose half their soul?
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:51PM
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Date Joined:
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I will never understand the warped mentality it would take for someone to actually want to try games of Magic this way at the kitchen table, let alone in a tournament.
Wouldn't milling your friends be worse than milling a stranger? And, turn-three Painter's Servant Grindstone isn't all that different from Channel-Fireball or anything else. If someone killed me turn five with the Hedron Crab deck they drafted, I would crack up. I've been trying to do that since Day One.
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Round 2: Dr_Demento, UltraMaximum
Round 3: Dr_Demento, Keino
Round 4: KunouNoHana
Round 5: Maraxas-of-Keld, Stigma_Lasher
Round 6: royinator
Round 7: forty2j
Round 8: Qazior
Round 9: Qazior
Round 10: Could be you link Split Cards
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Winner: dberry02 Pac-Man
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Round 1: Fallingman WorldprismQuotes
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I just love how focused the YMtC community is.
That's what I love about posting on these forums. Everyone's an expert(except for me).
really no need to be so bitchy.
@Edacade: Awright kid you go on ahead and do your thing and don't let anyone tell you different y'hear
City of Asymmetrical Beings
Land
, sacrifice a creature: Destroy target creature with the same converted mana cost as the sacrificed creature.
Might I just interject that making this a meme is the worst idea in magic in my opinion. It is too overpowered. It encourages cheating it in play. Essentially 99/100 times it is cheated in play instead of hardcast. Not only that, but you essentially win when it comes into play.
Make five-color hybrid tribal instant with buyback, kicker, cycling, card draw, token production, a steal effect, alternate casting cost and landfall that embodies the love that your mom and I share.
I think you just killed all chances of my card being elegant.
Ardency :1mana::symwu::symbr:
Tribal Instant - Soldier
You may have target opponent gain control of 3 permanents you control rather than pay ~'s mana cost.
As an additional cost to cast ~, choose two creatures you control, and sacrifice the rest. If you control a soldier, you can't sacrifice permanents this turn.
Landfall - If you had a land enter the battlefield under your control this turn, instead choose 4 creatures.
Kicker
You get an emblem with "As long as you control both chosen creatures, they have protection from everything."
If ~ was kicked, creatures you control get +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard until end of turn.
Cycling :2mana:
When you cycle ~, put two 2/2 Soldier creatures onto the battlefield.
Would this EVER fit on a card?~
Aside from a few wording mishaps (should say "each chosen creature" because it's not necessarily two) this is nice. Very simple and elegant. I like the alternate cost a lot, and the kicker goes nicely with the sacrifice. However, the cycling seems a bit powerful (4 power and a card for 3? Cycling is supposed be ba d . 8/10
EDIT: Just looked up "ardency". Lol.
I'm immortalized too as long as no one deletes this post!
But in the shadow of the great one lurked many who sought to partake of his eternal glory.
Since when am I "many"?
You're a whole damn city.
Ahem.
Vivisect
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Vivisect, sacrifice a creature.
Draw three cards.
"For the sake of humanity," the surgeon whispered. The knife had never felt heavier in his hand.
I don't think a world that sacrifices so much would want to stop the making of children .
Vivisect =/= vasectomy
Now I just feel silly.
I read over two hundred webcomics on a regular basis. "Terrible" doesn't even begin to describe me.
I think that this is the first wizards-community thread that actually made me laugh out loud. Maraxas, I love you.
batman is a jerk in all of my dreams
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3 years ago ::
Jan 10, 2010 - 9:51PM
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Date Joined:
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Overall good article, but a few points of critiscism:
I wouldn't call Jace Beleren a "milling card" any more than I would call Elspeth a "make my stuff indestructible" card. Planeswalkers are defined infinitely more by their non-ultimate abilities than by their ultimates, so I would instead call Jace a card drawing utility card, more akin to Divination or Mulldrifter than Traumatize or Tome Scour, which only work within a dedicated mill strategy. /nitpick
About the Arc-Slogger section - Another key difference between a card getting milled and a card on the bottom of a library is the issue of revealing information to the opponent; if my sweet dragon gets milled I'm not sad just because I won't draw it, I'm also sad because my opponent will know to play around it in subsequent games.
For example, sideboarding into Tombstalkers and Goyfs in extended Dredge is a tough thing to conceal going into game three, even if you never draw them game two. Siding creatures into something like Scapeshift is an easier secret to keep (provided you don't draw/play them, of course).
Speaking of Dredge, Maro didn't talk much about self-milling as a viable strategy, a la Cephalid Breakfast, Dredge/Ichorid, etc. He mentions Hedron Crab's milling power, but doesn't touch on the fact that it's often directed at its controller... One thing I would be interested in is how the dredge mechanic itself was designed. Was it originally meant as a drawback or an advantage? How did R&D settle on 6 for Grave-Troll, 3 for Loam, etc?
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