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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:36PM #2201
ninetailedfox
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what is proper templating for this wording

Sorcery(R)
Put a token onto the battlefield that is a copy of target creature, it gains haste,exile it at the beginning of your next end step. Populate.

If you copied the token would it too have haste/ exile at beginning of the next end step
Having a Primeval Titan die because of a little sting would be a huge insult.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:50PM #2202
altimis
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 7:21PM, Nyktos wrote:


Nibbling Imp: The "if ~ is in exile" bit isn't needed. However, there are some other issues with the wording. In the first ability, " if they do" should be "if that player does". In the second ability, "at the end of each player's turn" should be "at the beginning of each end step" and "any player" should be "a player".




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Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:38PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:51PM #2203
Jessica_Morgan
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 8:36PM, ninetailedfox wrote:

what is proper templating for this wording

Sorcery(R)
Put a token onto the battlefield that is a copy of target creature, it gains haste,exile it at the beginning of your next end step. Populate.

If you copied the token would it too have haste/ exile at beginning of the next end step




"Put a token onto the battlefield that is a copy of target creature. That token gains haste and, "At the beginning of each end step, exile this creature."
Populate."

I think that works.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:30PM #2204
Habreno
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Keeping in mind I cannot use an E in the card at all, is there any better way I could have worded this?
Also, is there a good word, subject to not containing an E, that can substitute for the word in red (though I'm sure that used is not the appropriate word there either...)

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Narcissistic


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Scry 7, and skip your upcoming turn. Draw 2 cards. This card won't untap until its untap ability is used.


Discard a card.



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As a note, the card does not untap in your untap phase. This may or may not be obvious. Not sure how I can include that in reminder text without using the letter E though... This card won't untap until its untap ability is ... is the furthest I can get."

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:41PM #2205
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Seed of the Conclave
Enchantment-Aura
Seed of the Conclave enters the battlefield with 2 infestion counters on it. At the beginning of that player's upkeep remove an infestation counter from it.
When the last counter is removed destroy this creature,then put a token onto the battlefield as a copy of that creature. Populate.


how can i make this more intuitive
Having a Primeval Titan die because of a little sting would be a huge insult.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:42PM #2206
altimis
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 9:30PM, Habreno wrote:

Keeping in mind I cannot use an E in the card at all, is there any better way I could have worded this?
Also, is there a good word, subject to not containing an E, that can substitute for the word in red (though I'm sure that used is not the appropriate word there either...)

"

Narcissistic


Artifact


Scry 7, and skip your upcoming turn. Draw 2 cards. This card won't untap until its untap ability is used.


Discard a card.



You cannot hold back against darkness. You only want to stop and look in a mirror.






As a note, the card does not untap in your untap phase. This may or may not be obvious. Not sure how I can include that in reminder text without using the letter E though... This card won't untap until its untap ability is ... is the furthest I can get."




For this card to work (as written) you need to use E. Proper wording (close to proper at least)

Narcissistic --
Artifact (X)

Narcissistic doesn't untap during your untap step.
, Skip your next turn: Scry 7, then draw two cards.
: Discard two cards.

Some variations that alter the card but work for that criteria:

Narcissistic --
Artifact (R)

Narcissistic can't untap normally.
: You may scry 7, or Draw two cards.
: Discard two cards.

You can't really skip a turn without using an E and still stay true to general formatting. Even this version is a stretch but it works. Also, taking out the skipping a turn really makes a huge power level gap that needs to either be filled or altered whichever you prefer. I don't know how you want to go about it...

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Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:38PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:47PM #2207
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 9:41PM, ninetailedfox wrote:

Seed of the Conclave
Enchantment-Aura
Seed of the Conclave enters the battlefield with 2 infestion counters on it. At the beginning of that player's upkeep remove an infestation counter from it.
When the last counter is removed destroy this creature,then put a token onto the battlefield as a copy of that creature. Populate.


how can i make this more intuitive



Seed of the Conclave --
Enchantment - Aura (X)

Enchant creature.
Vanishing 2
Whenever the last time counter from Seed of the Conclave would be removed, destroy enchanted creature. Put a token of that creature onto the battlefield, then populate.

vanishing performs this task quite well, if I'm understanding correctly. Reality Acid is fairly similar to this card.

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Feb 5, 2013 -- 9:38PM, Dr_Demento wrote:

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:54PM #2208
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i originnally had vanishing but it is already sacrificed due to its reminder text
Having a Primeval Titan die because of a little sting would be a huge insult.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:57PM #2209
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 9:54PM, ninetailedfox wrote:

i originnally had vanishing but it is already sacrificed due to its reminder text



that's why I have it trigger if the counter would be removed... not if it's removed. That way it can only trigger if it were to be sacrificed anyways. Or you can just word it the same as Reality Acid , with the additional tokenmaking/populating ability. That way this triggers first. I'm not 100% with that... but I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The same reasoning for somes lands having Etb effects and some having as this enters the battlefield effects.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 04, 2012 - 5:42PM #2210
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 8:51PM, Jessica_Morgan wrote:

"Put a token onto the battlefield that is a copy of target creature. That token gains haste and, "At the beginning of each end step, exile this creature."
Populate."


Won't work; if you populate the token it won't have those abilities that are granted by a separate continuous effect. Instead, they must be granted as part of the copy effect:

'Put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of target creature, except it has haste and "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this creature." Populate.'

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