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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 9:29PM
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a "base 2/2 with Vigilance and First Strike for WW" is merely okay.
With all due respect, that's merely a restatement of your original assertion; simply substituting "a base 2/2 with Vigilance and First Strike for WW" for "Blademaster". It doesn't really explain why he's "merely okay".
Am I correct by inferring that merely restating your point means that you believe it is self-evident that a 2/2 with two keyword abilities for CMC 2 is just "okay"? If so, then I have a lot of (re)learning to do. (I recall when x/x + [Keyword Ability] + [Keyword Ability] would at least be CMC x+1 a la Serra Angel  ...)
The only way he gets bigger is if you drop a second copy, because there should be no other reason you're running other allies in your deck.
Am I to infer, then, that Allies are all hype and no substance?
Compare him to Kor Firewalker. You'll see there's a huge gap in power level?
Actually, I don't. But, then again, I haven't played MtG w/ anyone but my wife and kids for 10+ years.
What I see is that Blademaster (w/o additional buffs) is a 2/2 that can attack and block every turn (Vigilance) and will deal lethal to anything 2 or less toughness (w/o evasion) and can survive in most of those attack/block match-ups. He only dies if the creature he blocks or is blocked by has Deathtouch or Doublestrike/First strike and power 2+.
Firemaster is a 2/2 that cannot be D.E.B.T.'d by Red and is a Dragon's Claw  on a stick. Lifegain is dependent upon someone casting Red. Pro Red is only really a benefit if your opponent is casting Red. Either way, his abilities are circumstantial.
Based on my out-of-date experience, Blademaster would be MB while Firemaster would be SB. The former is a more versatile 2-drop that would work well against most match-ups while the latter only reaches optimal performance when an opponent is casting moderate to heavy Red. Otherwise, he's just a more color-intensive (WW vs. 1G) Runeclaw Bear  for white.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 10:09PM
#282
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a "base 2/2 with Vigilance and First Strike for WW" is merely okay. The only way he gets bigger is if you drop a second copy, because there should be no other reason you're running other allies in your deck.
Compare him to Kor Firewalker. You'll see there's a huge gap in power level?
I don't know. At least Harda Freeblade seems attractive in white weenie if you aren't running landfall, and if you are running the Freeblade, then Blademaster becomes more attractive too... Obviously this is if you aren't playing with fetches anyway and need the little extra synergy to make up for it.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 8:10AM
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Where are our bounce cards?
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Where are the mass bounce spells?
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I don't know. But you bring up a good point that I think is valid, and that I would like to see blue get. If they choose to continue what they're doing making blue players dissatisfied with available counter suite(s), the should be more than happy to give back good bounce spells.
I would really like to see Boomerang, or any mass bounce spell.
Or a mass tap effect.
If you take away really good counters, I think blue should have a lot of other types of "tricks up it's sleeve" to compensate.
within the next few months i'll quit, barring unforseen events.
Unforseen events? Like what? Someone forcing you to play?
Anyway, it really just sounds like you're pouting because    control pales in comparison to 5CControl.
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Disregard women acquire chase rares.
There are a lot of dudes for whom this is not optional.
How;s a 2 drop 1/2, Flying broken? What am I missing?
You're missing it because *turns Storm Crows sideways* all your base are belong to Chuck Norris and every other overused meme ever.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 8:28AM
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a "base 2/2 with Vigilance and First Strike for WW" is merely okay.
With all due respect, that's merely a restatement of your original assertion; simply substituting "a base 2/2 with Vigilance and First Strike for WW" for "Blademaster". It doesn't really explain why he's "merely okay".
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Am I correct by inferring that merely restating your point means that you believe it is self-evident that a 2/2 with two keyword abilities for CMC 2 is just "okay"? If so, then I have a lot of (re)learning to do. (I recall when x/x + [Keyword Ability] + [Keyword Ability] would at least be CMC x+1 a la Serra Angel ...)
The only way he gets bigger is if you drop a second copy, because there should be no other reason you're running other allies in your deck.
Am I to infer, then, that Allies are all hype and no substance?
Compare him to Kor Firewalker. You'll see there's a huge gap in power level?
Actually, I don't. But, then again, I haven't played MtG w/ anyone but my wife and kids for 10+ years.
What I see is that Blademaster (w/o additional buffs) is a 2/2 that can attack and block every turn (Vigilance) and will deal lethal to anything 2 or less toughness (w/o evasion) and can survive in most of those attack/block match-ups. He only dies if the creature he blocks or is blocked by has Deathtouch or Doublestrike/First strike and power 2+.
Firemaster is a 2/2 that cannot be D.E.B.T.'d by Red and is a Dragon's Claw on a stick. Lifegain is dependent upon someone casting Red. Pro Red is only really a benefit if your opponent is casting Red. Either way, his abilities are circumstantial.
Based on my out-of-date experience, Blademaster would be MB while Firemaster would be SB. The former is a more versatile 2-drop that would work well against most match-ups while the latter only reaches optimal performance when an opponent is casting moderate to heavy Red. Otherwise, he's just a more color-intensive (WW vs. 1G) Runeclaw Bear for white.
Right now, in an actual competitive Magic environment, 90% of the time, this is what you will get:
Kazandu Blademaster
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(I recall when x/x + [Keyword Ability] + [Keyword Ability] would at least be CMC x+1 a la Serra Angel ...)
And this is Serra Angel:
Serra Angel
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Disregard women acquire chase rares.
There are a lot of dudes for whom this is not optional.
How;s a 2 drop 1/2, Flying broken? What am I missing?
You're missing it because *turns Storm Crows sideways* all your base are belong to Chuck Norris and every other overused meme ever.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 9:28AM
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I've removed content from this thread because baiting is a Code of Conduct violation. Additional conduct has been removed to preserve continuity on the thread. You can review the Code of Conduct here: wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg...Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 10:05AM
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wait, why did i get removed? i didn't say anything off topic, at least not as off topic as most of the things posted in these threads... theres about a million posts that need to be removed if mine is gonna get removed. will refrain from pointing fingers
Blue is the best color ever. How do you deal? Team GFG - "gulf, foxtrot, gulf" Twitter: Burning_Forest ------------------------------------------------------ I started making some Dubstep and Electronica. Check me out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXLxlHeE1rg My Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/whitefender69?feature=mhee It is a little bit chill. Let me know what you think. 
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 10:20AM
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where has hookmaster seen play?
once. but that's plenty of "evidence" for his "ooh, look @ me, I'm so unorthodox" posts.
The only good soldiers that he listed are Skyfisher and Conq. Pledge tokens. Blademaster is merely okay.
Actually, if you checked out more threads in the Standard Deck Help section there are a surprising number of people trying to push that low land count white weenie build and they do run him... I don't exactly agree... but hey, I am not the one playing those decks.
As for your other comment... please try to stick to the topics of conversation (or at least directly to the game) and not toward individual users. It would be a mark of maturity.
Again, to re-enforce... the point was that they have seen play (not that I agree with the level of play).
@MooreMTG, I am going to send you a PM.
Also, I think Kazandu Blademaster is good but not WOW... however there are very few white weenies I think are WOW right now in standard.... It's downside is that a 2/2 (even one that can get bigger) is staring down some pretty large creatures on turns 2 & 3 with the other creatures of Standard.
@ JTI
I am confused with what you were trying to illustrate with your post
@Radio_Oasis
White Weenie gets a decent bump with the 1/2 ally for 1 that gets bigger.
@BF
No clue... I don't know how they decide what to keep and what to throw. I once reported a post and then they went to the thread and removed my entry from it and left the offender. Life's nutty around here. Was the post they pulled the one about you quitting the game? If so, I think that's why they pulled it... from a business stand point they don't want people to know anyone is unhappy... lol. I can't say I blame them.
old quotes from the Worldwake talk: Mike Turian: While Mark Rosewater made Tarmogoyf, I made Tarmogoyf what he is today Mark Rosewater: Would we ever reprint Tarmogoyf? Maybe. 
174 How many of your friendships have lasted more than ten years? Which of your current friendships do you still feel will be important to you ten years from now?
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 10:59AM
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well if they don't want me to quit, then they ought to come out with a better product. whatever
Blue is the best color ever. How do you deal? Team GFG - "gulf, foxtrot, gulf" Twitter: Burning_Forest ------------------------------------------------------ I started making some Dubstep and Electronica. Check me out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXLxlHeE1rg My Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/whitefender69?feature=mhee It is a little bit chill. Let me know what you think.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 12:04PM
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well if they don't want me to quit, then they ought to come out with a better product. whatever
LOL, this comic relief is why we love you... that and you sometimes remind us of
 
With your decree of it's coming.
old quotes from the Worldwake talk: Mike Turian: While Mark Rosewater made Tarmogoyf, I made Tarmogoyf what he is today Mark Rosewater: Would we ever reprint Tarmogoyf? Maybe.
174 How many of your friendships have lasted more than ten years? Which of your current friendships do you still feel will be important to you ten years from now?
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 1:36PM
#290
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I don't agree look at the G/W/x builds out there turn 3 they have 6 mana on tap ready to go. Thats plenty to multikick most of the cards being spoiled. With that kind of accel with as many bomby spells blue needs a strong counter at 2cmc in order to be competive. Sure some control decks have used blue and have done well but not in comparison to any other color. Heck my local FNM has yet to see any blue deck top 8 since lorwyn block.
The opponent getting to do something because they built their deck to do it is the basis of Magic, many players don't seem to understand this.
Also, there are numerous way to conter early provided specific spells are being cast (Note Spell Pierce, an extremely good spell, and the new instant-counter in WWK).
As for kicking a creature, removal is there, Blue has almost always had to splash and removal is the number one reason.
Lastly, you said yourself, "Turn 3."
That's Cancel mana.
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