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Flag WotC_Monty November 24, 2009 2:16 PM PST

This thread is for discussion of magicthegathering.com's Magic Arcana, Card of the Day, and Daily Decks features for the month of December, 2009.

Flag RealMoruk November 30, 2009 11:02 PM PST
I was sitting at work today planning to build a deck almost exactly the same as the Mono-White Tokens deck posted today, except using Ajani Goldmane. I was surprised to come home and find the deck sitting there on the Deck of the Day o_O

At least I have a worlds-quality deck to compare my choices with ^_^ 
Flag Sidar_Jabari December 1, 2009 2:05 PM PST
The Kor have gotten so ugly.
It's so weird that WoW seems to have set the standard for how fantasy being should look, while aesthetics seem to have never been the main focus for their models.

Val Mayerik, we miss you. 
Flag Vektor480 December 2, 2009 3:08 AM PST
Nica Arcana today (12/02) it's always good to look at Darksteel Citadel in a bigger size.
Flag quitequieter December 2, 2009 8:44 AM PST
odd that they point to mirrodin's core, and not to mycosynth lattice, where you can not only see the growths a lot better but understand something about them.
Flag eidtelnvil December 2, 2009 9:54 AM PST
I've always wondered why Darksteel Citadel, which is meant to represent Panopticon, has sunlight and clouds in the background. It's meant to be in the center of the hollow plane of Mirrodin.
Flag Vektor480 December 2, 2009 1:12 PM PST

Dec 2, 2009 -- 9:54AM, eidtelnvil wrote:

I've always wondered why Darksteel Citadel, which is meant to represent Panopticon, has sunlight and clouds in the background. It's meant to be in the center of the hollow plane of Mirrodin.




At least now I've managed to see the Panopticon on the top of it.

Flag rmgustaf December 3, 2009 7:19 AM PST
From Jino Choi's feature: "Recently wrapped up the final design of Worldwake and the graphic design of the Shards of Alara block all-foil boosters."

Am I reading this incorrectly? Are there going to be boosters composed entirely of foil cards? Or is this simply the wrapper being all foil? Or is there going to be a special booster pack here and there with 15 foil cards and a special wrapper?
Flag quitequieter December 3, 2009 7:26 AM PST
this was in an arcana a while back. it will be a 15 card booster with cards from the entire shards block. they will be all foil. i think it's like 12 bucks, i will look for the link and post it.

www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.a...
Flag raul December 3, 2009 7:53 AM PST
"a build tuned to beat Jund and much of the rest of the format. And beat them he did!"

Umm, he played zero Jund decks at Worlds with his fog deck according to tournament reports on other sites.

Granted he beat everything else but Jund is actually a bad matchup according to most pros since they have several ways of getting rid of Mine/Font.
Flag Oporaca December 3, 2009 11:31 PM PST
Bwahaha... I love the Card of the Day theme. It is the U.S. Bill of Rights, so presumably it will continue into next week.

Steamflogger Boss : The First Amendment is well-known for its protection of speech, religion, and the press. Less frequently mentioned are the rights of petition and, as in this case, assembly...
Werebear : He exercises his right to bear arms.
Standing Troops : The Third Amendment protects citizens from the quartering of troops in their homes.
Thoughtseize : The Fourth Amendment prevents unreasonable search and seizure.
Tromp the Domains : Among many other due-process issues, the Fifth Amendment requires "just compensation" in cases of eminent domain (government seizure of private property).
Flag Sir_Bruce December 4, 2009 12:58 AM PST

Dec 3, 2009 -- 7:26AM, quitequieter wrote:

this was in an arcana a while back. it will be a 15 card booster with cards from the entire shards block. they will be all foil. i think it's like 12 bucks, i will look for the link and post it.

www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.a...




I should add that we're getting these in Magic Online as well, however there is also a product image for the same product in both foil and non-foil.  It's not clear if they'll be offering a non-foil Alara Block booster in paper as well.

Flag quitequieter December 4, 2009 7:58 AM PST
yay hedron crab! i'm glad a card i liked so much early on (and expected to be pretty unpopular) is showing up in so many different places.
Flag Vektor480 December 4, 2009 9:10 AM PST

Dec 4, 2009 -- 7:58AM, quitequieter wrote:

yay hedron crab! i'm glad a card i liked so much early on (and expected to be pretty unpopular) is showing up in so many different places.




Same thing here. I have a new Wallpaper.

Flag WotC_Monty December 4, 2009 11:14 AM PST

Dec 3, 2009 -- 11:31PM, Oporaca wrote:

Steamflogger Boss : The First Amendment is well-known for its protection of speech, religion, and the press. Less frequently mentioned are the rights of petition and, as in this case, assembly...




I didn't want to use Steamflogger Boss , because it's somewhat controversial. But it gives a free assembly! How can I turn that down?

Flag quitequieter December 4, 2009 3:32 PM PST
see, i think for a lot of people steamflogger himself isn't controversial. it's the knowledge that there is no support intended for him that is the controversey. the reason people get so worked up about him is they LIKE steamflogger boss! being such an optimist, i am still waiting for them to fix the problem and give us some contraptions to assemble. i know in my heart it will happen one day.
Flag Mistform_Mage December 4, 2009 4:38 PM PST

Dec 4, 2009 -- 3:32PM, quitequieter wrote:

see, i think for a lot of people steamflogger himself isn't controversial. it's the knowledge that there is no support intended for him that is the controversey. the reason people get so worked up about him is they LIKE steamflogger boss! being such an optimist, i am still waiting for them to fix the problem and give us some contraptions to assemble. i know in my heart it will happen one day.



I would stop liking him if this happened as it entirely defeats the point. I mean it may be a stupid point but still. I like it.

Flag quitequieter December 4, 2009 4:41 PM PST
you are in the minority. defeating the point is what most people wanted wotc to do with the boss.
Flag Mistform_Mage December 5, 2009 1:37 AM PST

Dec 4, 2009 -- 4:41PM, quitequieter wrote:

you are in the minority. defeating the point is what most people wanted wotc to do with the boss.



I don't know whether I agree. All of the fun comes from theorizing what Contraptions/Assmble mean. Its just a card if they explain. I mean its nifty I guess but it ceases being interesting.

Flag quitequieter December 5, 2009 7:45 AM PST
i'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion, or that i don't understand your perspective. i'm saying most people disagree. if you were in the majority, the boss wouldn't be so controversial and it's pretty much a solid fact that he is.

i think contraptions and assembling and riggers would likely turn out to be less cool than we've all imagined if they were actually made. but that doesn't make me or other people want them to never make them.
Flag Sir_Bruce December 5, 2009 11:05 AM PST

Dec 4, 2009 -- 11:14AM, WotC_Monty wrote:

Dec 3, 2009 -- 11:31PM, Oporaca wrote:

Steamflogger Boss : The First Amendment is well-known for its protection of speech, religion, and the press. Less frequently mentioned are the rights of petition and, as in this case, assembly...




I didn't want to use Steamflogger Boss , because it's somewhat controversial. But it gives a free assembly! How can I turn that down?




Well if you want to showcase a card that demonstrates both Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion, might I suggest Blessed Orator ?

Flag C9owy December 6, 2009 5:37 AM PST
it would be great if you could do following card as wallpaper:
River of Tears

resolutions:
1280x1024
1680x1050

Flag Mistform_Mage December 6, 2009 6:44 PM PST

Dec 5, 2009 -- 7:45AM, quitequieter wrote:

i'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion, or that i don't understand your perspective. i'm saying most people disagree. if you were in the majority, the boss wouldn't be so controversial and it's pretty much a solid fact that he is.

i think contraptions and assembling and riggers would likely turn out to be less cool than we've all imagined if they were actually made. but that doesn't make me or other people want them to never make them.



I don't think most people really disagree with me though. As a YMTC'er most of the reactions I get to it are there and the number of contraption threads are hilariouss. They wouldn't exist if Contraptions were defined. In addition him not being controversial  would make him less popular cause a crapton of people wouldn't hear about him. We wouldn't be having this argument for example and he wouldn't get his spot in arcana or articles as often as he does. Its like a murder mystery where you never find out the murderer that becomes famous because of it. Sure most people are clamoring to know but they don't really want to know. It would defeat the point and it would have just been a run-of-the-mill movie without worth of mention.

Flag quitequieter December 6, 2009 7:20 PM PST
you're right that he wouldn't be nearly as big a deal. but that isn't relevant to whether people are upset about him being a joke or want him to be supported by design. i think most people who care want contraptions to be real and are upset that they aren't. whether or not they'd even care at all about contraptions if they had existed in the first place doesn't change that they are upset they don't exist now.
Flag Mistform_Mage December 6, 2009 7:49 PM PST

Dec 6, 2009 -- 7:20PM, quitequieter wrote:

you're right that he wouldn't be nearly as big a deal. but that isn't relevant to whether people are upset about him being a joke or want him to be supported by design. i think most people who care want contraptions to be real and are upset that they aren't. whether or not they'd even care at all about contraptions if they had existed in the first place doesn't change that they are upset they don't exist now.



A lot of the people who want contraptions to be real want their version of contraptions to be real and I have heard very few identical proposals. Many would lost interest even more when their prediction is proven wrong. I guess my point is people are going to feel bad either way at least this way it isn't specifically directed at certain people (ie. people who guessed wrong).

Flag quitequieter December 7, 2009 6:03 AM PST
maybe that's true among ymtc people (it would make sense) but i don't know if it's true among the general population. and also there's been so much time since he came out, and people have known for a while that no official support was planned. so that is going to have some effect on people's expectations.
Flag Hacimen December 7, 2009 6:12 AM PST
And that is why it belonged in an Un-set. I know there are some that believe the effect was greater by it being given black-bordered authenticity, and there is something to that, but it was just not that way for enough people. Any card can be loved by someone. As an Un-card it would have all of the YMTC goodness without any of the disappointment that accompanied its existence in a black-bordered set (a lot of people were flat-out insulted). You certainly wouldn't have a card a subset of ameteur designers liked and the vast majority hated.

And yes, it was hated. We don't get cards like this anymore for a reason, and that reason is not that it was universally loved except for a handful of people in a forum. Besides the obvious, the big problem that prevented it from being really believable was before the set came out, when they admitted there would be red herrings in the set. If the intention was really to make this believable in a "could happen" context, they should never have said anything at all about the fakes. AF's "elbow to the ribs" article where they admitted that yes, this was one of them (and don't you feel stupid for pulling one, sucker!) was the catalyst for a change made with regards to bad rares. Perhaps if we were all still officially under the pretense that every card would likely see print eventually, the card would have more meaning. (That's a big "perhaps.") But in the end it was a great learning experience for R&D. I think it has served a much greater purpose.
Flag Vektor480 December 7, 2009 7:08 AM PST
New Avatar of Woe:
I didn't like it. But when I saw the original art in bigger size, I realized for the first that the avatar has three arms. So it went from "ugly" to "meh".
Flag quitequieter December 7, 2009 11:30 AM PST
i like, but don't love, the original. this one i couldn't care less about.
Flag Bezman December 7, 2009 4:50 PM PST

Dec 7, 2009 -- 6:12AM, Hacimen wrote:

We don't get cards like this anymore for a reason, and that reason is not that it was universally loved except for a handful of people in a forum.




Or maybe it's because such a card would have no place in a set other than Future Sight.

For what it's worth, it's my favourite card of the set. I agree that uncommon would be a better place for it, though.

Flag Hacimen December 7, 2009 5:17 PM PST
I'm talking about the entire sub-category of "feel bad" rares, not just the Boss. Cards that make the players that open them feel like they threw money in the gutter have not been seen much since then.
Flag quitequieter December 7, 2009 6:30 PM PST
they've been replaced with cards that you almost never see but when you open them it's like you won the lottery. for all the complaining that's gone on (mine included) i have to admit that's an improvement. although i have been known to like awful offensive rares, myself.
Flag Mistform_Mage December 7, 2009 8:04 PM PST
I guess I'll just agree to disagree with you two here.
Flag quitequieter December 7, 2009 8:31 PM PST
personally i prefer the moonlaces and the one with nothings but i understand objectively that baneslayer is a better card to be a rare than they are. and if mythics didn't exist baneslayer probably wouldn't be so jacked up in price. the existence of mythics muddies the debate a bit but i think baneslayer as a regular rare would be preferred to a "crap" rare by most people.
Flag Hacimen December 7, 2009 8:48 PM PST
I like my share of Johnny rares as well. But I think there is a limit to how narrow they should go. (They definitely don't want to do this in the days of smaller sets.) There are actually rares in Future Sight that were arguably worse than Steamflogger Boss, who does attack for 3.
Flag quitequieter December 7, 2009 8:49 PM PST
plus he pumps and hastes up changelings. some of which, you know, are quite good.
Flag Hacimen December 7, 2009 8:50 PM PST

I played against a few chageling decks online in the casual room online when Lorwyn first came out. they could have used the card if it wasn't 4 mana. My brother tried to make it work but he could never draw it before he had an army out.

Flag PhoenixLAU December 8, 2009 9:31 PM PST
Things You Might Find In A Courtroom
Flag DVDe December 9, 2009 6:06 AM PST

Dec 8, 2009 -- 9:31PM, PhoenixLAU wrote:

Things You Might Find In A Courtroom




Yes, that must be it. I like the inclusion of Crime/Punishment , it's a clever way of fiting 6 things in this week's cycle with only the usual 5 cards.

Flag quitequieter December 9, 2009 8:33 AM PST
since the split cards are 3 colors, they would HAVE to be split across guilds. since guilds are two colors. as far as i can tell from the pictures all the 3 color split cards from that block are split between two guilds.
Flag quadibloc December 9, 2009 2:18 PM PST
Apparently, the Fortune Thief article isn't working - the images within the article aren't appearing, instead, the links only launch Gatherer.
Flag quadibloc December 9, 2009 9:40 PM PST
The problem with "Bands with Other" wasn't the definition of the ability. It was the name. Bands with Minotaurs and Bands with other Minotaurs would seem to be the same thing; bands with any Minotaur that isn't itself.

Bands with Banders would sound like no ability at all, since a creature doesn't need banding to be banded with a creature with banding.

So the appropriate thing to do, I suspect, because "Bands with Other... with Bands with Other" is too long is a new keyword that implies mutualism. Like "Cooperates".
Flag bastardx December 10, 2009 2:22 AM PST
Heh, we can see the guy who made the photoCool
and the article of MaGo about Band with other is still one of my favourite articles ever:
www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.a...
Flag DragonsWrath December 11, 2009 5:12 AM PST
Wow, those three wallpapers look remarkably like four wallpapers!

Flag orcishartillery December 11, 2009 7:29 AM PST

Dec 8, 2009 -- 9:31PM, PhoenixLAU wrote:

Things You Might Find In A Courtroom



No, this is a continuation of last week's Card of the Day theme - the US Bill of Rights.

Flag mabhatter December 14, 2009 9:25 PM PST

Dec 9, 2009 -- 9:40PM, quadibloc wrote:

The problem with "Bands with Other" wasn't the definition of the ability. It was the name. Bands with Minotaurs and Bands with other Minotaurs would seem to be the same thing; bands with any Minotaur that isn't itself.

Bands with Banders would sound like no ability at all, since a creature doesn't need banding to be banded with a creature with banding.

So the appropriate thing to do, I suspect, because "Bands with Other... with Bands with Other" is too long is a new keyword that implies mutualism. Like "Cooperates".




I'd think with all the emphisis on "tribal" you'd think they'd have left "bands with other" alone. The point was to have limited banding ability with just your own type. Of course there were under 1000 cards when that rule was made.. there's so many, many creatures now, and particularly with Legends that broke so many color pie rules they probably needed to fix it.  Maybe this means they'll put banding back into a Standard set again.

Flag DragonoidUcarn December 14, 2009 9:29 PM PST
Well, there went part of the fun of Intro Pack spoiling: They hid the name of the foil card on each of the Intros.
Flag mabhatter December 14, 2009 9:46 PM PST
I like the new Worldwake boxes, looks like powerful combinations.  Can they make the boxes CLOSE again? The Slivers box was awesome, like the FTV series in that it can be opened and played and then set back on the shelf to look pretty.

I'd venture the reason for the glued-shut boxes was to reduce shoplifting of the packs inside... sad to say I've seen this at retail stores far too often.. to the point some stores won't carry Magic because of the shoplifting. 
Flag Stigma_Lasher December 15, 2009 2:04 AM PST
Oh screw. They made a U/R deck without an obvious U/R definition (meaning not like Izzet in Ravnica or Grixis in Alara) and it has a dragon in front.

That dragon better be awesome.
Flag Duffey December 15, 2009 7:19 AM PST
i do love the kor deck but wish it wasn;t just mono white hopefully core will become red and white or white and blue

Oh and the flyover WU deck looks alot like the landfall angel that makes bird tokens if u look at the card u see white doves.

Also the intro decks looks pretty i like the way the used the zendikar art land to show the colors of the decks
Flag Mateus_DS December 15, 2009 8:09 AM PST
more vamps?
more vamps!
w00t!
Flag starwarer December 15, 2009 9:38 PM PST
Is that really a second storage box included in the fat pack?
I don't see how it fits in the primary box.
Honestly, it looks like the 'wrapper', of the sort that has had art from the set on the inside.

If it is actually a second storage box, can we see a better image of that? 
Flag Kingbry December 16, 2009 1:48 AM PST
You're right... it DOES look like the 'wrapper', but oooh, I hope it's a second box!  It sucked when they took the second box out of the fat pack.
Flag Iron_Golem01 December 16, 2009 4:47 AM PST
It's got to be the wrapper.  It says how many packs (8) come with the product.   And I DON'T want any more boxes. 
A minor gripe.... Putting Jace on this box is really cool, but it makes the box for Zendikar seem kind of stupid.  Some random Kor hang glider?  Why not Chandra, or Nissa?  Seems like a missed opportunity for some flavor continuity. 
Flag OmegaM December 16, 2009 9:34 AM PST
Wow.  Did anybody not get the pun of Stream Hopper (today's Card of the Day) the instant they saw the card?  (It is funny on its own, though.)  And is it really not explained what made Stream Hopper lose an arm and a leg when the flavor text says "he was robbed of his better half by the Aurora"?  Of course, to say this I'm assuming that the last sentence of the Card of the Day entry should read "Just what made the missing left arm and leg is better left unexplained.", instead of "... better is ...", as clearly Stream Hopper is still missing those limbs.
Flag orcishartillery December 16, 2009 9:46 AM PST

Dec 16, 2009 -- 9:34AM, OmegaM wrote:

And is it really not explained what made Stream Hopper lose an arm and a leg when the flavor text says "he was robbed of his better half by the Aurora"?  Of course, to say this I'm assuming that the last sentence of the Card of the Day entry should read "Just what made the missing left arm and leg is better left unexplained.", instead of "... better is ...", as clearly Stream Hopper is still missing those limbs.


Your assumption is incorrect.  The goblin is missing his "better half".  What made the missing half "better" than the remaining half is left unexplained.

Flag JuxtaPoser December 16, 2009 10:37 AM PST

Dec 16, 2009 -- 9:46AM, orcishartillery wrote:

Dec 16, 2009 -- 9:34AM, OmegaM wrote:

And is it really not explained what made Stream Hopper lose an arm and a leg when the flavor text says "he was robbed of his better half by the Aurora"?  Of course, to say this I'm assuming that the last sentence of the Card of the Day entry should read "Just what made the missing left arm and leg is better left unexplained.", instead of "... better is ...", as clearly Stream Hopper is still missing those limbs.


Your assumption is incorrect.  The goblin is missing his "better half".  What made the missing half "better" than the remaining half is left unexplained.



Guess the lil' guy was left-handed..?  Before the Aurora he was a 2/2 (2 arms, 2 legs), heh.

I wish the fat packs still included a novel... The best fat packs to me were the ones that had 2 boxes, a full novel, card catalog for the set, spin-down life counter (d20), and 6 boosters... While it's obviously nice to get 8 boosters instead of 6, it seems the old deal was a better one (at least for people who like the novels).

To me, the novels make the game more fun by adding a buttload of flavor to the cards/setting, so the old deal was more valuable to me.

Flag Bezman December 16, 2009 12:12 PM PST

Dec 15, 2009 -- 2:04AM, Stigma_Lasher wrote:

Oh screw. They made a U/R deck without an obvious U/R definition (meaning not like Izzet in Ravnica or Grixis in Alara) and it has a dragon in front.




I think you're mistaken. that pack is RW.

Flag RPJesus December 16, 2009 1:13 PM PST
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That's some seriously poor sportsmanship on their part...
Flag Bezman December 16, 2009 3:04 PM PST

Dec 16, 2009 -- 1:13PM, RPJesus wrote:

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That's some seriously poor sportsmanship on their part...




You mean them covering the names?

Flag RPJesus December 16, 2009 4:00 PM PST

Dec 16, 2009 -- 3:04PM, Bezman wrote:

Dec 16, 2009 -- 1:13PM, RPJesus wrote:

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That's some seriously poor sportsmanship on their part...




You mean them covering the names?



Well that and more or less steadily making the cards more obscure.
Coming soon;
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Flag pyropower December 16, 2009 4:05 PM PST
well, i thought that the most interesting part of the fat pack is the part where we see the eldrazi themselves.
(on the novel)
so, apparently thay have long heads, four arms, and lots of tentacles (and their about 5 or more storeys tall)
Flag Lochleinn December 17, 2009 1:23 AM PST

Dec 3, 2009 -- 7:26AM, quitequieter wrote:

this was in an arcana a while back. it will be a 15 card booster with cards from the entire shards block. they will be all foil. i think it's like 12 bucks, i will look for the link and post it.

www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.a...





Has there been any explanation of why they're doing this? I mean, all-foil boosters seems pretty cheesy to me, and eliminates the specialness of foils.

Flag quitequieter December 17, 2009 7:23 AM PST
since the booster is 12 dollars, i think the reason they're doing it is for the $$. but it's a pretty cool move on their part, in my personal opinion, because people who collect foils (for cubes and such) will probably be pretty happy about them.

what wotc is doing is similar to what trent reznor did with nine inch nails the past couple of years. the business plan is essentially based on the idea that you have some diehard fans who want premium products and if you price it to make a profit off of a limited number of buyers they will pay for it. previously you avoided special hardcore products because they didn't have mass appeal and would have to cost too much to make a profit, but now you can release those products knowing that people who really want them (the niche audience) are willing to pay and will be grateful to have access to the kind of product they normally wouldn't. wotc isn't doing it quite as deftly as trent but they're definitely following a similar plan and in general i think it's a good idea.
Flag JuxtaPoser December 17, 2009 7:56 AM PST

Dec 17, 2009 -- 7:23AM, quitequieter wrote:

since the booster is 12 dollars, i think the reason they're doing it is for the $$. but it's a pretty cool move on their part, in my personal opinion, because people who collect foils (for cubes and such) will probably be pretty happy about them.



Now if they'd just release $1 guaranteed-no-foil packs for those who couldn't give a steamy carp about foils, everyone would be happy! Cool

Flag OmegaM December 17, 2009 8:17 AM PST

Dec 16, 2009 -- 9:46AM, orcishartillery wrote:

Dec 16, 2009 -- 9:34AM, OmegaM wrote:

And is it really not explained what made Stream Hopper lose an arm and a leg when the flavor text says "he was robbed of his better half by the Aurora"?  Of course, to say this I'm assuming that the last sentence of the Card of the Day entry should read "Just what made the missing left arm and leg is better left unexplained.", instead of "... better is ...", as clearly Stream Hopper is still missing those limbs.


Your assumption is incorrect.  The goblin is missing his "better half".  What made the missing half "better" than the remaining half is left unexplained.


Wow.  I apologize.  Frown  I still say that the flavor text pun is obvious enough to be unworthy of a Card of the Day entry.  And maybe the sentence I misread would be clearer as "Just why the missing left arm and leg were better is left unexplained."

I can say that I never thought about Mons's Goblin Raiders and Goblin Raider that way before.

Flag JuxtaPoser December 17, 2009 9:23 AM PST

Dec 16, 2009 -- 9:34AM, OmegaM wrote:

I can say that I never thought about Mons's Goblin Raiders and Goblin Raider that way before.



Mons's Goblin Raiders are like ninjas.  A single MGR can take out an army, but an army of ninjas can be taken out by a single dude with a machine gun... or something like that.  I'm a bit fuzzy on the math, but I think you get my point.

Flag jimjoebob456 December 17, 2009 9:40 AM PST
This is a total aside, but if you go to the 2nd location listed today for the worldwake contest on google maps, go to street view and move on the road as close to the sign infront of the shopping complex (looks like an albertsons sign might be on it).  Look just under the sign, just off the side walk, there is a small, lets say humanoid object.  What does it look like to everyone else?  I feel like I'm on crazy pills.

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e...

Apologies for being off topic, I didn't see a discuss on the worldwake hunt.
Flag JuxtaPoser December 17, 2009 9:55 AM PST

Dec 17, 2009 -- 9:40AM, jimjoebob456 wrote:

This is a total aside, but if you go to the 2nd location listed today for the worldwake contest on google maps, go to street view and move on the road as close to the sign infront of the shopping complex (looks like an albertsons sign might be on it).  Look just under the sign, just off the side walk, there is a small, lets say humanoid object.  What does it look like to everyone else?  I feel like I'm on crazy pills.

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e...

Apologies for being off topic, I didn't see a discuss on the worldwake hunt.



Argh.. Looks like carp on my monitor.  What does it look like to you? ..I can't tell what it is from the picture, but one thing's for sure: It is not of this world.

Flag starwarer December 17, 2009 9:55 AM PST
It's the direction in which the picture of the street is facing.
Flag jimjoebob456 December 17, 2009 10:07 AM PST
No, its in the actual street view.  Its below the Signs for the complex.
Flag PhoenixLAU December 17, 2009 10:37 AM PST

Dec 17, 2009 -- 9:40AM, jimjoebob456 wrote:

This is a total aside, but if you go to the 2nd location listed today for the worldwake contest on google maps, go to street view and move on the road as close to the sign infront of the shopping complex (looks like an albertsons sign might be on it).  Look just under the sign, just off the side walk, there is a small, lets say humanoid object.  What does it look like to everyone else?  I feel like I'm on crazy pills.

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e...

Apologies for being off topic, I didn't see a discuss on the worldwake hunt.



Are you talking about the fire hydrant?

Flag jimjoebob456 December 17, 2009 10:45 AM PST
Doesn't look like a fire hydrant to me... I've heard dog from a couple people.  I think it looks more humanoid, but it strikes me as odd.  Wish I could cut out the piece I was talking about and upload it, but I see the ability to link only...
Flag JuxtaPoser December 17, 2009 10:57 AM PST

Dec 17, 2009 -- 10:37AM, PhoenixLAU wrote:

Dec 17, 2009 -- 9:40AM, jimjoebob456 wrote:

This is a total aside, but if you go to the 2nd location listed today for the worldwake contest on google maps, go to street view and move on the road as close to the sign infront of the shopping complex (looks like an albertsons sign might be on it).  Look just under the sign, just off the side walk, there is a small, lets say humanoid object.  What does it look like to everyone else?  I feel like I'm on crazy pills.

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e...

Apologies for being off topic, I didn't see a discuss on the worldwake hunt.



Are you talking about the fire hydrant?



That's no fire hydrant...

That's no fire hydrant.

Flag orcishartillery December 17, 2009 11:18 AM PST

Dec 17, 2009 -- 9:40AM, jimjoebob456 wrote:

This is a total aside, but if you go to the 2nd location listed today for the worldwake contest on google maps, go to street view and move on the road as close to the sign infront of the shopping complex (looks like an albertsons sign might be on it).  Look just under the sign, just off the side walk, there is a small, lets say humanoid object.  What does it look like to everyone else?  I feel like I'm on crazy pills.

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e...

Apologies for being off topic, I didn't see a discuss on the worldwake hunt.


It looks like a woman in a dress.  Especially if you zoom out.

By the way, the Worldwake Planeswalker Chase discussion thread is here:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

Flag Sidar_Jabari December 19, 2009 7:57 AM PST
lol, that is kind of uncanny.

It's a goblin :P
Flag magnet2000 December 24, 2009 10:36 AM PST
OK, I have a question about the Holiday Cards. Are they real? If so, where do you get them?
Flag C9owy December 27, 2009 6:31 AM PST
Some chosen magic shop owners get those holidays cards every year.
Flag Merdlekid December 29, 2009 12:37 AM PST
Well look at that, I'm photographed and on the internet.

I feel internet famous now! 
Flag extremeicon December 29, 2009 10:20 AM PST
I guess I didn't notice it the first time they ran this Arcana - my wife and I are both seen in the second picture shown of the Magic party: I'm the guy with a backpack on and my back turned to the camera in the very bottom right corner and my wife is just to my left holding our camera.  She was probably taking this picture at the time:

PAX Party

That party was awesome.

P.S.: Buy my shoes/shirt/hat - they're 50% off through the 31st Laughing
Flag jimjoebob456 January 11, 2010 1:32 PM PST
Just me, or can you essentially do double damage to a team in 2HG for 1 mana with Comet Storm?
Flag phaseshifter January 11, 2010 1:41 PM PST

Jan 11, 2010 -- 1:32PM, jimjoebob456 wrote:

Just me, or can you essentially do double damage to a team in 2HG for 1 mana with Comet Storm?




Actually, that would be quadruple damage. + 1 kicker = 20 dmg total.
Unless a ruling says otherwise.


It's personal preference, but neither card appeals to me. One card displays multikicker, and the other displays...multikicker. Doesn't worldwake do anything else interesting? Or just an overall cool card would have been fine.

Flag Jiggy777 January 11, 2010 2:02 PM PST

Jan 11, 2010 -- 1:41PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Actually, that would be quadruple damage. + 1 kicker = 20 dmg total.
Unless a ruling says otherwise.




Care to explain your math on that?  It's 5 damage to one player, 5 damage to the other player, and last I checked 5+5=10, not 20.  I hope you're not going to say something along the lines of "the shared life total in 2HG essentially doubles damage".  That would be incorrect.

Flag phaseshifter January 11, 2010 2:09 PM PST

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:02PM, Jiggy777 wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 1:41PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Actually, that would be quadruple damage. + 1 kicker = 20 dmg total.
Unless a ruling says otherwise.




Care to explain your math on that?  It's 5 damage to one player, 5 damage to the other player, and last I checked 5+5=10, not 20.  I hope you're not going to say something along the lines of "the shared life total in 2HG essentially doubles damage".  That would be incorrect.




For each time kicked. Kicked once = do the same thing once more = 5 to each player twice = 20

And I don't see why shared life total would double all damage.

Flag Jiggy777 January 11, 2010 2:14 PM PST

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:09PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:02PM, Jiggy777 wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 1:41PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Actually, that would be quadruple damage. + 1 kicker = 20 dmg total.
Unless a ruling says otherwise.




Care to explain your math on that?  It's 5 damage to one player, 5 damage to the other player, and last I checked 5+5=10, not 20.  I hope you're not going to say something along the lines of "the shared life total in 2HG essentially doubles damage".  That would be incorrect.




For each time kicked. Kicked once = do the same thing once more = 5 to each player twice = 20

And I don't see why shared life total would double all damage.




Where are you getting "5 to each player twice"?  Without kicker, it's 5 damage to one target.  Add one kick (as in your example), and you add one more target.  The first target is one "head", and the second (the one from the kick) is the other "head".  Two targets, each getting dealt X (in this case, 5) damage.  5 damage times 2 targets equals 10 damage total.  Perhaps you misread the card?

Flag phaseshifter January 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:14PM, Jiggy777 wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:09PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:02PM, Jiggy777 wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 1:41PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Actually, that would be quadruple damage. + 1 kicker = 20 dmg total.
Unless a ruling says otherwise.




Care to explain your math on that?  It's 5 damage to one player, 5 damage to the other player, and last I checked 5+5=10, not 20.  I hope you're not going to say something along the lines of "the shared life total in 2HG essentially doubles damage".  That would be incorrect.




For each time kicked. Kicked once = do the same thing once more = 5 to each player twice = 20

And I don't see why shared life total would double all damage.




Where are you getting "5 to each player twice"?  Without kicker, it's 5 damage to one target.  Add one kick (as in your example), and you add one more target.  The first target is one "head", and the second (the one from the kick) is the other "head".  Two targets, each getting dealt X (in this case, 5) damage.  5 damage times 2 targets equals 10 damage total.  Perhaps you misread the card?




Ok. I saw the dot behind the word player, rather than behind the word kicked.  So instead of reading:

  choose another target creature or player for each time comet storm was kicked. 

I read:

 F
or each time comet storm was kicked, comet storm deals X damage to each of them.

Where that dot is can make a completely different card. 

Please accept my Apologies. 

Flag Jiggy777 January 12, 2010 9:39 AM PST

Jan 11, 2010 -- 3:08PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:14PM, Jiggy777 wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:09PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 2:02PM, Jiggy777 wrote:

Jan 11, 2010 -- 1:41PM, phaseshifter wrote:

Actually, that would be quadruple damage. + 1 kicker = 20 dmg total.
Unless a ruling says otherwise.




Care to explain your math on that?  It's 5 damage to one player, 5 damage to the other player, and last I checked 5+5=10, not 20.  I hope you're not going to say something along the lines of "the shared life total in 2HG essentially doubles damage".  That would be incorrect.




For each time kicked. Kicked once = do the same thing once more = 5 to each player twice = 20

And I don't see why shared life total would double all damage.




Where are you getting "5 to each player twice"?  Without kicker, it's 5 damage to one target.  Add one kick (as in your example), and you add one more target.  The first target is one "head", and the second (the one from the kick) is the other "head".  Two targets, each getting dealt X (in this case, 5) damage.  5 damage times 2 targets equals 10 damage total.  Perhaps you misread the card?




Ok. I saw the dot behind the word player, rather than behind the word kicked.  So instead of reading:

  choose another target creature or player for each time comet storm was kicked. 

I read:

 F
or each time comet storm was kicked, comet storm deals X damage to each of them.

Where that dot is can make a completely different card. 

Please accept my Apologies. 




Holy Mother of Runes, that card would be amazing.  Well, glad we're clear now.  Thanks for a rational discussion; that doesn't happen enough on teh Intarwebz.  :D

Flag quadibloc January 14, 2010 12:04 PM PST

Dec 17, 2009 -- 7:56AM, JuxtaPoser wrote:

Now if they'd just release $1 guaranteed-no-foil packs




The trouble, of course, is that if foil is worth 3x what non-foil is, then with all-foil going for $12 and normal going for $4 and normal including 1 foil in five packs of 15 cards... if it weren't for the fact of a foil replacing a common, one could calculate that the value of a non-foil pack would be about $3.89. Giving people the opportunity to save 11 cents by giving up foil isn't worth the bother of a new product line.

Flag karatunoff February 15, 2010 11:37 AM PST

Hi everybody! There is a mistake on the page of "Wallpaper of the Week".

The last must be Dragonmaster Outcast. But link goes to renewed old article  

Flag metalevolence April 22, 2010 3:56 AM PDT
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