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3 years ago ::
Dec 02, 2009 - 5:20PM
#71
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Look, I don't even know what your point is supposed to be, and I am starting to suspect you don't either. All I have is that you automatically equate the word joke in quotation marks to specifically mean "not a total joke." Almost everything else you type or paste supports the point I am trying to make, that Steamflogger Boss actually was a joke card released under the false pretense of "hey it just might happen." I don't know why you would argue that this wasn't true and then quote two articles that say it is true. It makes it look like you are sharing posting time with someone that doesn't agree with you. I wish you well but you are making no sense.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 02, 2009 - 7:20PM
#72
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Look, I don't even know what your point is supposed to be, and I am starting to suspect you don't either. All I have is that you automatically equate the word joke in quotation marks to specifically mean "not a total joke."
Question: Do you agree or disagree with that statement? If you agree then I don't know why you keep posting. Again, it's an easy card to dismiss completely if one thinks it's a TOTAL joke. All I posted was that it was not a TOTAL joke, and that the card still served the illustrative purpose of the futureshifting Time Spiral cards. This is enlightening to someone who doesn't understand why Steamflogger Boss would be printed at all if they though it was JUST a joke, or a TOTAL joke.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 02, 2009 - 8:45PM
#73
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Was Norin, the Wary one of those "funny cards" because I haven't found a use for that.
I am sure Norin disappointed a lot of people who opened packs. I don't think it qualifies for that category in the article, but it is one of those "can of snakes" rares that they are trying not to make anymore. It was another card that they got a lot of yuks out of in R&D, according to an article on the site (not sure who, might have been one of Cavotta's articles). Unlike Steamflogger Boss there wasn't even fake text intended to throw off players. However, there were a couple uses for Norin that I saw some casual players employ. Essence Warden/Soul Warden/Auriok Champion all like that he comes back into play a lot, and so did Pandemonium, which was Timeshifted in the same set. But if you aren't making one of those particular decks, you just opened a bookmark for your rare.
Norin is pretty much the epitome of a Johnny rare -- something that doesn't sound useful at first glance but can be pretty awesome "build around me card" for those inclined to do so. A creature that repeatedly comes into play while dodging almost any removal is pretty nice tool in the Johnny toolbox.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 02, 2009 - 9:01PM
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He is good specifically for what he is, sure. I actually threw him in a few casual decks as a one-of for his CIP abilities a few years ago. But as a card it's about as narrow it can reasonably get and you're either making a specific deck where he'd be useful or you've got a blank card for a rare. I don't like bad rares for a number of reasons but I don't personally have an issue with this one here. There are other rares that I would say are far worse offenders, including a few in that set.
But I can definitely see that they are avoiding stuff like Norin recently and I understand why. Even as a Johnny rare, it would have needed to blink to be really useful (might be a little strong). A once-per-turn effect on a legendary creature that can't even fight if needed is more of a casual thing and any such deck would have to be solid enough without it and not that much different with it. Niche cards are cool, especially if it allows a player to make some cool deck, but sometimes the niche is a bit too small.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2009 - 7:28AM
#75
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Was Norin, the Wary one of those "funny cards" because I haven't found a use for that.
Try the card Pandemonium. It basically puts your opponent on a 5 turn clock (granted Norin gets exiled on each of his and your turns, but that shouldn't be hard).
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3 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2009 - 8:21AM
#76
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Look, I don't even know what your point is supposed to be, and I am starting to suspect you don't either. All I have is that you automatically equate the word joke in quotation marks to specifically mean "not a total joke."
Question: Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Give me the context on a case-by-case basis and I will tell you in some cases that I agree. In this case, not at all. The main reason this will go nowhere is that you are clinging to this to the point of being unable to discuss the actual topic, and I was trying to get past this so that we could talk about the amount of credit you are giving this card. But as long as you want to hang out here, we don't ever get there. At least now I can see some of the reasoning behind this peculiar hang-up of yours.
Again, it's an easy card to dismiss completely if one thinks it's a TOTAL joke.
For you, apparently, it is. I actually find this card to be significant in the history of the game's development, as it provided a learning experience to R&D that has manifested itself in subsequent sets. As someone who enjoys this particular subject as much or more than most others involving Magic, I definitely find this to be something that should not be dismissed.
All I posted was that it was not a TOTAL joke, and that the card still served the illustrative purpose of the futureshifting Time Spiral cards.
No, it did not. That was accomplished by the Futureshifted card frame. You are giving the card credit it does not deserve. Put anything in that frame, and it "might happen." Well, at least until the lead developer tells you flat out that it will not.
This is enlightening to someone who doesn't understand why Steamflogger Boss would be printed at all if they though it was JUST a joke, or a TOTAL joke.
So we need to take the word "total" out of the phrase for the benefit of new players who see R&D members admitting the card was actually a joke, and one not likely to be repeated any time soon in a set they might purchase? No, I think it is pretty clear in the articles WHY Steamflogger Boss was printed - and why they believe it best to not print something like it again.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2009 - 11:03AM
#77
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Hacimen, I asked a simple question and even you could not answer for fear of demonstrating you were wrong. So I think you're just trolling now, which makes the rest of your posting irrelevant.
When you want to have a serious conversation, let me know.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2009 - 12:02PM
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I answered your question very specifically in the first two sentences of my last reply. I told you that context was important and in this particular example I did not agree. In fact, this is the only example where the answer is relevent and I emphatically stated it to be "no." Your question does not warrant any further explanation than what you have already received.
Since my last post I have seen some of your other recent work and I don't think I'll be continuing this further.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2009 - 2:49PM
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Well the fact that you conveniently decide "joke" means something else in this context than it does in almost every other context is illustrative of your inability to admit otherwise.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2009 - 7:39PM
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- Winner YMtC'ing with the Stars!
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No, it did not. That was accomplished by the Futureshifted card frame. You are giving the card credit it does not deserve. Put anything in that frame, and it "might happen." Well, at least until the lead developer tells you flat out that it will not.
But not in nearly the same way. The future shifted cards are interesting but none of them showed off the fact that future shifting was actually from a time we couldn't understand better than Mr. Riggerface. This might not have been true for you but for me and many others, as shown by the fact that it has probably caused the most YMTC design intended to predict the context of a FS card, it was a wonderfull example of what Futureshifted meant.
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