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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 1:41PM
#11
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ill take your word on the helpfullness of the first strikers but my own monored list ran 4 pyroclasm and 2 earthquakes main just in incase i had trouble with first strikers, but maybe not everyone is as paranoid as me...?
EDIT: i also have no time to playtest these decks, yay for college!.....
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 1:45PM
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Thumbs up, Niche. Nice work with the OP.
I was glad to see you include Casualties and give it the nod over Infest. It's debatable whether either is actually needed right now, but I've been duking it out over on MTGS that Casualties currently works better than Infest.
All right, I might get laughed out of the game and all the way back over to Wyvern (anyone play that back in the day, haha) for this, but would Wall of Bone be good SB tech against Jund?
Obviously it regenerates, and it can block very, very well against Thrinax, its tokens and BBE. I think our other stuff could handle the Putrid Leeches and Broodmates. This is something else I've mentioned on MTGS, but havne't heard anything back - I don't really have time to test whims like these.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 1:47PM
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Jun 30, 2009
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Indeed, between hexmage, black knight, nighthawk, and tendrils of corruption, We do well vs sligh.
Then we bring disfigure over from the board.
Mono Black Control. MB Aggro and White Weenies are currently my pet projects.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 2:30PM
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Out of curiousity, since I'm actually running into a similar problem with Vamp decks, if this mono-green eldrazi thing takes off, what do you do to stop it?
Your decklist doesn't look like it could keep up, and once the monument hit, the game would basically be over, aside from hopefully marsh casualties to kill all their creatures to make them sacrifice something important.
Don't interpret this as me bashing your decklist, I actually like it, it's just that I run a vamp list (that actually has some similarities with your list) and as soon as I saw the eldrazi deck, I couldn't think of a way to beat it
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 3:16PM
#15
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Apr 25, 2008
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Against RDW each turn that is spent playing pyroclasm or earthquake is a turn the game matures into a situation where RDW cannot beat MBC. If you pyro, earthquake, pyro on turns 2-4 then on 5 I sludge your wincons out. Or I play vess and force you to discard one and let you decide if its better to try to kill me and give me 2 turns to put all your ball lightnings into play on my side, or waste a ball to kill Vess. I can't see any other outcome. If you hit your removal you're not killing me, and then I take your win. If you're not hitting removal you're not swinging into the first strikers.
Wall of Bone is something I looked at again... but when you kick a gatekeeper they're going to sac the ineffective card and crash with BMD. I honestly don't know about that.
As far as Eldrazi Green... here's my thoughts on the best cards we have in the matchup:
Vampire Hexmage - sac and destroy nissa or garruk
Vampire Nighthawk - fly over and kill Nissa.
Gatekeeper - kicks into play to eat a chosen and smashes into Nissa
Bloodwitch - fly over the green dudes and eat the planeswalkers, lifegain stabilizes tempo
Grim Discovery - recurs the hexmage or gatekeeper or nighthawk
Liliana Vess - I even like her in this matchup. If they're clutching one card (an overrun) play and force the discard. If not, play and tutor up hexmage, eat the nissa. They play another Nissa, tutor up Grim Discovery, eat nissa. You can eat 6 planeswalkers like this, which is their count and how they win.
Pithing Needle - from the sideboard you just play it and name a planeswalker. Ta-da. Or Oran Rief.
Deathmark - 1 mana to kill Ant Queen. Seems fine.
Marsh Casualties - You could maybe board in Marsh Casualties, this is something I'd need to test. Casualties will crush the speed opening of elf/heirarch into visionary into nissa.
Sadistic Sacrament - not sure id board it in, but you can go and hunt down the monuments easily enough. Without Nissa to churn Chosens into play Monument isnt as awesome as it seems.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 3:19PM
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Hmm, I run most of the cards you just suggested.
Eldrazi is a problem for your deck and mine, since black doesn't get artifact removal.
It's not an impossible matchup, but I'm already viewing it as a worse matchup than jund for me.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 3:43PM
#17
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Sep 17, 2006
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Wall of Bone stuff:
I see what you're saying, Niche.
But he still blocks BBE, Thrinax, and really Putrid Leech as well. They can pay 2 to pump him and kill him, but then we just get to reginerate. That seems like a play we'd enjoy. And your opponenet sac'ign their non-effective creature is always the case with Gatekeeper. If they had Broodmate, why would they sac him instead of a Putrid Leech anyway?
With those coming in, you could rip 3 Broodmates with Sacrament and be in good shape, right? And even with out SS, can't we handle Broodmates with Tendrils (Liliana fetching them) and Bloodwitches (sometimes + Disfigure so we don't trade).
Again, I'm not sold either, I'm just trying to keep an open mind since that's such a tough match-up.
I think the worst thing about the idea, to be honest, is finding 3-4 spots in the SB for WALL OF BONE! haha
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 9:13PM
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Apr 25, 2008
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Hmm, I run most of the cards you just suggested.
Eldrazi is a problem for your deck and mine, since black doesn't get artifact removal.
It's not an impossible matchup, but I'm already viewing it as a worse matchup than jund for me.
Eldrazi Monument can't be played until they stick an engine to feed it. So if you can handle Nissa, Garruk and the Ant Queen it should be held in the hand. Granted that's no small order, but I think it's doable.
Mollusk... I just don't know about this Wall of Bone bsns.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 9:25PM
#19
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Niche... play against me already
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4 years ago ::
Nov 13, 2009 - 9:40PM
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Sep 17, 2006
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Mollusk... I just don't know about this Wall of Bone bsns.
Haha, I'm right there with you. But be honest, there is something intriguing there, right?! :D
It is concerning that it's not at all a threat and doesn't directly handle things. But in theory, when you match it against the deck, it seems to be solid against 80 percent of the deck's non-land cards.
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