It's almost time for the 2009 World Championships, the crowning event of the Pro Tour season. Starting November 19, Worlds features 6 rounds of Standard, 6 rounds of Zendikar Booster Draft, 6 rounds of Extended, and 4 rounds of National Team play with the national teams playing Standard, Extended, and Legacy decks. The event concludes November 22 with the individual Top 8 (Standard) and the Team Finals.
The live webcast of 2009 Worlds will start Sunday, November 22 at 3:45 a.m. ET. Watch the Top 8 as Magic crowns its 2009 World team and individual champions!
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Who will be crowned Player of the Year and Rookie of the Year? Which nation will be crowned the champion of Magic? And who will add their name to the list of Magic World Champions? Tune in starting November 19.
It's almost time for the 2009 World Championships, the crowning event of the Pro Tour season. Starting November 19, Worlds features 6 rounds of Standard, 6 rounds of Zendikar Booster Draft, 6 rounds of Extended, and 4 rounds of National Team play wit
It's pretty disheartening to already see a few top players just sleeving up jund. LSV added Master of the Wild Hunt and Saito added SGC and rampant growth. Whoopie.
Odds on 3/4 of the decks in the top 8 running bloodbraid and blightning? Certainly a good bet. Does jund make for an interesting tournament at this point? Nope.
I hope some pro's will come out swinging with real innovation.
It's pretty disheartening to already see a few top players just sleeving up jund. LSV added Master of the Wild Hunt and Saito added SGC and rampant growth. Whoopie.Odds on 3/4 of the decks in the top 8 running bloodbraid and blightning? Certainly a g
It's pretty disheartening to already see a few top players just sleeving up jund. LSV added Master of the Wild Hunt and Saito added SGC and rampant growth. Whoopie.
Odds on 3/4 of the decks in the top 8 running bloodbraid and blightning? Certainly a good bet. Does jund make for an interesting tournament at this point? Nope.
I hope some pro's will come out swinging with real innovation.
Apparently Jund is "only" about 1/3 of the field. Which makes Worlds a good bit more varied than the tournaments we've been seeing so far. But you can't go too far wrong with Jund. In LSV's words "I did everything in my power not to play this deck, but it still has the best percentages."
Perhaps I'm mistaken on this, but given the long multi-format nature of Worlds it probably makes even more sense to "play it safe" in any format where you're not sure you have the edge. Especially the Day 1 format. If you take a risk and then go 0-6 then you just screwed yourself regardless of your Limited and Extended performances. If you play a deck you know to be good, then you may not 6-0 but 4-2 or 5-1 are a great place to be with other formats to get you to top 8.
Yeah I saw it. For anyone who doesn't want to follow the link:
Gindy disqualified for not being named "Kibler"
Today Wizards of the Coast demonstrated that that DCI has high standards for rules enforcement, and proved that they will rigidly apply those rules to anyone who dares to make an error without the requisite level of experience and fame.
In round 6 Charles Gindy made a fatal mistake. An ability resolved that required the opponent to kill one of Gindy's creatures. But the target was never chosen. Gindy knew that the opponent could kill one of his wolf tokens, but didn't realize it was required.
Clearly the only penalty possible for this is a disqualification.
"At this level of anonymity, we demand a very high level of rules enforcement," said head judge Sheldon Menery. "Sure, Brian Kibler can get away with not pointing stuff out to his opponents. But he's "The Dragonmaster." He's a hall of famer. Hell, he's even been an official Wizards broadcaster. Gindy is a guy no one even heard of until last year, so clearly he can't expect to get away with the same level of mistake.
Some critics have claimed that this system of rules provides an unfair advantage to someone like Brian Kibler in a major event like a Pro Tour. Menery however thinks that claim ridiculous. "The rules work just as easily against Kibler," the judge explained. "If he were to play against someone like Kai Budde, then yeah Brian may get to miss triggers. But Kai would get to draw like 5 extra cards before getting his first warning. So it works both ways."
This was sadly not the only disqualification on day 1 of Worlds. In round 3, first time PT attendee Sean Bleven was disqualified for mispronouncing the name of Great Sable Stag. "It's 'Sable' not 'Stable', noob." said the floor judge, before adding "GTFO."
OK to be fair, Gindy misplayed the ability on his own card, while Kibler missed his opponent's trigger. But still, it seems like Gindy's biggest fault was the usually-newbie mistake of not shutting up afterwards.
Also, reading the account now (and following the post-event controversy from Austin), ownership of the card had nothing to do with the judge ruling. His example about how a 2/2 can't kill a 2/3 is completely irrelevant to knowing that the opponent must kill something. Whereas the parallel to Austin is, IMHO, pretty damn obvious.
Yeah I saw it. For anyone who doesn't want to follow the link: Gindy disqualified for not being named "Kibler"Today the Magic officials demonstrated that that DCI has high standards for rules enforcement, and demonstrated that they will rigidly app
Yeah I saw it. For anyone who doesn't want to follow the link:
Gindy disqualified for not being ....
OK to be fair, Gindy misplayed the ability on his own card, while Kibler missed his opponent's trigger. But still, it seems like Gindy's biggest fault was the usually-newbie mistake of not shutting up afterwards.
Also, reading the account now (and following the post-event controversy from Austin), ownership of the card had nothing to do with the judge ruling. His example about how a 2/2 can't kill a 2/3 is completely irrelevant to knowing that the opponent must kill something. Whereas the parallel to Austin is, IMHO, pretty damn obvious.
I don't know where that clip came from, but please people, follow the actual posted link to get much better coverage of the incident.
The difference is knowingly failing to maintain the game state, which is Fraud, and is what appears to have happened in this case. Or accidentally failing to maintain the game state, which by all accounts I've heard is what happened in Austin. Yes if Gindy had kept his mouth shut he may have gotten away with it (but in that case it would definitely been intentional Fraud). The fact that he openly brought it up after the fact is likely going to save him from a harsher Ban or other penalty.
I don't know where that clip came from, but please people, follow the actual posted link to get much better coverage of the incident.The difference is knowingly failing to maintain the game state, which is Fraud, and is what appears to have happene
People need to start naming decks again, seriously. I look at the metagame breakdown and can't actually tell what most of those decks do or are. Calling something by its colors doesn't tell you nearly enough.
People need to start naming decks again, seriously. I look at the metagame breakdown and can't actually tell what most of those decks do or are. Calling something by its colors doesn't tell you nearly enough.
People need to start naming decks again, seriously. I look at the metagame breakdown and can't actually tell what most of those decks do or are. Calling something by its colors doesn't tell you nearly enough.
It's Standard, I believe the universal strategy is play dudes and 'walkers and bash them into your opponents dudes and 'walkers. Hope to draw better.
It's Standard, I believe the universal strategy is play dudes and 'walkers and bash them into your opponents dudes and 'walkers. Hope to draw better.
Props to the Coverage team for delivering so many tidbits and interesting info.
Combined with Twitter, you get a fairly good idea what's going on in Rome, almost live.
Great articles, podcasts by Mr. Hagon and nice deck tech videos. Looking forward to the live webcast on sunday. Sad to hear that Randy B. is doing his last commentary at this event, as he usually engages in interesting discussions about deck choices and judgement calls. Too bad, but understandable after so many years.
Props to the Coverage team for delivering so many tidbits and interesting info. Combined with Twitter, you get a fairly good idea what's going on in Rome, almost live.Great articles, podcasts by Mr. Hagon and nice deck tech videos. Looking forward to
So the big images of Rome that say "2010 World championships" and link to articles that say 2009 World Championships, makes the web team look pretty bad. I would probably change those years on the images fast if I were the wizard's web guy.
What year are we in again? ...
So the big images of Rome that say "2010 World championships" and link to articles that say 2009 World Championships, makes the web team look pretty bad. I would probably change those years on the images fast if I were the wizard's web guy.
I was just going over the undefeated deckists from day 1, and was wondering if it strikes anyone else as odd that the Ukranian guy is playing a 56 card deck in constructed?
I was just going over the undefeated deckists from day 1, and was wondering if it strikes anyone else as odd that the Ukranian guy is playing a 56 card deck in constructed?
I realize I'm not watching Nascar on FOX or the NFL on ESPN, and the coverage itself is fantastic, but why the absurd delays? The tweets are on round 12, 13,etc. and we don't have the feature match up from Round 9. I keep refreshing every 30 to see if there's an update, give up, go shower or make food or run errands, come back hours later and thank the stars I didn't just sit and wait around.
Also, as someone who never posts, having to go through a bunch of registration steps I've already done before--twice probably, pretty sure I was pre-gleemax--just to post this was annoying as all hell. (Not time or place I know.)
Go M.Lyaebert!!
I realize I'm not watching Nascar on FOX or the NFL on ESPN, and the coverage itself is fantastic, but why the absurd delays? The tweets are on round 12, 13,etc. and we don't have the feature match up from Round 9. I keep refreshing every 30 to see i
I was just going over the undefeated deckists from day 1, and was wondering if it strikes anyone else as odd that the Ukranian guy is playing a 56 card deck in constructed?
Where did you find the deck lists? thanks in advance!
Where did you find the deck lists? thanks in advance!
I was just going over the undefeated deckists from day 1, and was wondering if it strikes anyone else as odd that the Ukranian guy is playing a 56 card deck in constructed?
Where did you find the deck lists? thanks in advance!
Looking forward to the live webcast on sunday. Sad to hear that Randy B. is doing his last commentary at this event, as he usually engages in interesting discussions about deck choices and judgement calls. Too bad, but understandable after so many years.
Aww, that's too bad. Where was this said, and was it mentioned who will replace him?
Aww, that's too bad. Where was this said, and was it mentioned who will replace him?
I have a hard time believing that Cynic Kim would first-pick a Forest (Draft 1, Pod 1, Pack 3 in the draft viewer: gatherer.wizards.com/magic/draftools/dra...). Boo for errors in the draft recording.
I have a hard time believing that Cynic Kim would first pick a [card]Forest[/card] (Draft 1, Pod 1, Pack 3 in the draft viewer: ). Boo for errors in the draft recording. :(
I need to know what Gindy shot! If it had 3 power or less it could have been assumed two was assigned to the 3/3 and one to the 2/2 .. seems weird to tell us the stats of the wolves and not the thing being shot.
I need to know what Gindy shot! If it had 3 power or less it could have been assumed two was assigned to the 3/3 and one to the 2/2 .. seems weird to tell us the stats of the wolves and not the thing being shot.
I need to know what Gindy shot! If it had 3 power or less it could have been assumed two was assigned to the 3/3 and one to the 2/2 .. seems weird to tell us the stats of the wolves and not the thing being shot.
As far as the DQ goes, what Gindy shot is more or less irrelevent. The point is that Master of the Wild Hunt requires the opponent to make a decision if you control multiple wolves, and Gindy delibrately let his opponent forget. Though I agree, it is strange that they would give us the stats of the wolves and not those of the target. Based on available information, I think it's safe to assume that it's somewhere between 2/2 and 3/5.
I was looking at the coverage for the Magic online championship at worlds. Can anyone tell how the pairing or the point scoring are done, it seems so random. In an 8-man clasic there should not be two people who end at 0-3
I was looking at the coverage for the Magic online championship at worlds. Can anyone tell how the pairing or the point scoring are done, it seems so random. In an 8-man clasic there should not be two people who end at 0-3
2 William Cavaglieri: 5-1 7 Bram Snepvangers: 6-0 (Bushwhacker Boros)
Then again, last year's finals were between the players that went 3-3 and 2-3-1 in standard, so this probably doesn't mean much.
Standard Records:1 David Reitbauer: 6-0 (8 Florian Pils: 4-2 4 Terry Soh: 4-2 ()5 Manuel Bucher: 5-1 ()3 André Coimbra: 4-26 Marijn Lybaert: 6-0 ()2 William Cavaglieri: 5-17 Bram Snepvangers: 6-0 ()Then again, last year's finals were between the p
Just watched the Day 3 wrap-up, and I have a nitpicking for Randy:
This is not China's first appearance for Sunday stage, but the second. China's first PT top 8 is Ming Xu at PT Kuala Lumpur 2008 (the one Jon Finkel won), and he ended up 4th place.
Thanks for all these great coverage, and I'm looking forward to the live webcast on Sunday. Go China!
Just watched the Day 3 wrap-up, and I have a nitpicking for Randy:This is not China's first appearance for Sunday stage, but the second. China's first PT top 8 is Ming Xu at PT Kuala Lumpur 2008 (the one Jon Finkel won), and he ended up 4th place.T
Echo Minghua's words above. There has indeed already been a Chinese T8er.
Also, something for the coverage team to fix: The Round 17 Feature Match is Patrizio Golia vs. Manuel Bucher, not Tomoharu Saito vs. Adam Koska. The wrong names are given both on the main World Champs Rome 2009 page and at the top of the feature match subpage at www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a... .
Echo Minghua's words above. There has indeed already been a Chinese T8er.Also, something for the coverage team to fix: The Round 17 Feature Match is Patrizio Golia vs. Manuel Bucher, not Tomoharu Saito vs. Adam Koska. The wrong names are given both
In addition to Ming Xu's top eight in Kuala Lumpur, Chih Hsian Chang top eighted Pro Tour Los Angeles in 2005 (won by Antoine Ruel). Mind you Chang is from Taipei, so depending on where you stand on Taiwanese sovreignty you could argue that he's not from China.
In addition to Ming Xu's top eight in Kuala Lumpur, Chih Hsian Chang top eighted Pro Tour Los Angeles in 2005 (won by Antoine Ruel). Mind you Chang is from Taipei, so depending on where you stand on Taiwanese sovreignty you could argue that he's not
Deck-wise it's horribly boring and uninteresting. Overpowered creatures, planeswalkers and some random burn/removal.
Time to give control some tools again (or nerf creatures), even the good old counterspell wouldn't be too strong and unfun in this format.
A decent Top 8 name-wise.Deck-wise it's horribly boring and uninteresting. Overpowered creatures, planeswalkers plus some random burn/removal.Time to give control some tools again (or nerf creatures), even the good old counterspell wouldn't be too st
By the way, Gindy's situation was apparently that the wolf shouldn't have died anyway, which is why his opponent didn't do anything, but Gindy didn't exactly understand or something. So he still thought his wolf should've died, but intentionally didn't let his opponent know.
By the way, Gindy's situation was apparently that the wolf shouldn't have died anyway, which is why his opponent didn't do anything, but Gindy didn't exactly understand or something. So he still thought his wolf should've died, but intentionally di
Gotta root for Bram, least I can do after stealing 39 Limited points from him in the draft rounds of PT Austin
Gerdef
I'm going for Bram too. Not only is he the most expirienced player in this top 8, but he's the only player ever to beat Kai in the top 8 of an individual Pro Tour. That's gotta count for something.
I'm going for Bram too. Not only is he the most expirienced player in this top 8, but he's the only player ever to beat Kai in the top 8 of an individual Pro Tour. That's gotta count for something.
This is so horrible.... one of the most boring Worlds (or PT) Top 8's I've seen in a long, long time. Nothing but "play creatures" or "kill creatures' or "draw Baneslayer." Where're the control decks? Combo? No? Nothing can stop the Jund menace. I sure hope Snepvangers/Coimbra tops the Jund in the finals. I'd hate to have to give up Magic again simply to avoid playing against it fromt the netdeckers at FNM.
This is so horrible.... one of the most boring Worlds (or PT) Top 8's I've seen in a long, long time. Nothing but "play creatures" or "kill creatures' or "draw Baneslayer." Where're the control decks? Combo? No? Nothing can stop the Jund menace. I su
This is so horrible.... one of the most boring Worlds (or PT) Top 8's I've seen in a long, long time. Nothing but "play creatures" or "kill creatures' or "draw Baneslayer." Where're the control decks? Combo? No?
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.
I do agree that constructed used to be better when blue was playable, but this was still a pretty exciting semi-final. I was really on the edge of my seat for the last three games.
I do agree that constructed used to be better when blue was playable, but this was still a pretty exciting semi-final. I was really on the edge of my seat for the last three games.
This is so horrible.... one of the most boring Worlds (or PT) Top 8's I've seen in a long, long time. Nothing but "play creatures" or "kill creatures' or "draw Baneslayer." Where're the control decks? Combo? No?
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.
I emphatically disagree. These matches have been quite entertaining. Countermagic mirrors are the boring matches to watch. If one were to be as dismissive of countermagic mirrors as the above posters have been of these matches, then one would sum them up as nothing but "draw cards" and "play lands".
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.I emphatically disagree. These matches have been quite entertaining. Countermagic mirrors are far extremely boring to watch.
This is so horrible.... one of the most boring Worlds (or PT) Top 8's I've seen in a long, long time. Nothing but "play creatures" or "kill creatures' or "draw Baneslayer." Where're the control decks? Combo? No?
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.
I emphatically disagree. These matches have been quite entertaining. Countermagic mirrors are the boring matches to watch. If one were to be as dismissive of countermagic mirrors as the above posters have been of these matches, then one would sum them up as nothing but "draw cards" and "play lands".
No one was asking for countermagic mirrors, just for control/combo decks to appear in general. But creatures are simply too strong and the cards for other strategies too weak.
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.I emphatically disagree. These matches have been quite entertaining. Countermagic mirrors are the boring matches to watch. If one were to be as
This is so horrible.... one of the most boring Worlds (or PT) Top 8's I've seen in a long, long time. Nothing but "play creatures" or "kill creatures' or "draw Baneslayer." Where're the control decks? Combo? No?
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.
I emphatically disagree. These matches have been quite entertaining. Countermagic mirrors are the boring matches to watch. If one were to be as dismissive of countermagic mirrors as the above posters have been of these matches, then one would sum them up as nothing but "draw cards" and "play lands".
No one was asking for countermagic mirrors, just for control/combo decks to appear in general. But creatures are simply too strong and the cards for other strategies too weak.
I wish that mill deck would have made it to t8, too bad calafel didn't perform in the other formats .
Agreed. This is what you get for pushing creatures too hard while nerfing spells at the same time. Boredom.I emphatically disagree. These matches have been quite entertaining. Countermagic mirrors are the boring matches to watch. If one were to be as
No one was asking for countermagic mirrors, just for control/combo decks to appear in general. But creatures are simply too strong and the cards for other strategies too weak.
This is what they wanted, and this is what they got. We've been building to this since Time Spiral left the format. But as a spectator and player I don't see how this is somehow more interesting than the 2006 Worlds.
av.313 hit it right on the nail. It's not that I (or the majority of players) want solely control and/or combo matchups. But, when all of the top archetypes of a format are some form of Beatdown (or only control or only combo), then Magic becomes less entertaining to watch and (most importantly) play.
All 8 decks were some form of Aggro. The only blue cards represented was Rhox War Monk. Not saying that matches aren't interesting without blue, but the color has been completely hosed.
Look at PT Austin. 4 Zoo, 2 Dredge, 1 Dark Depths and 1 Hypergenesis. More balanced, but still no control.
Look at PT Berlin. 6 Elf decks in the top 8, plus two control decks. No Aggro
THEN, look at this past summer! This summer was much more balanced. 5-color control was the big elephant in the corner for the most part, but Blightning Aggro, Jund, Faeries, GW Overrun, 5cc Cascade, Swans and Tokens (before M10) and Time Sieve (after M10) were very competitive in the format. Multiple Aggro/Beatdown, Combo and Control decks each had several competitive archetypes. The variety in the format was what brought me back to starting playing this past May.
Now, let's analyze the Worlds standard decks. Using Bill Stark's metagame breakdown, there were around 350 aggro/beatdown decks out of 409. I'm including the "Junk" archetype as I'm not too sure what it is, but it appears to be standard aggressive Rock variant . That's about 85% or so, meaning 17 out of every 20 players were gearing up to constantly smash into the red zone. This is not what makes magic fun for me.
This may may the game fun for the crowd that enjoys creature-beatdown (which I do from time to time), but there is a large percentage of the Magic crowd that thrives on building control or combo. The state of the game completely dismisses those players and forces them to play something they might not enjoy, something inferior to the rest of the format or stop playing altogether.
There should be a consistent release of cards good for every basic archtype.
I see no reason invest money into Magic if aggro is the only acceptable Standard decktype.
Ransac, cpa trash man
av.313 hit it right on the nail. It's not that I (or the majority of players) want solely control and/or combo matchups. But, when all of the top archetypes of a format are some form of Beatdown (or only control or only combo), then Magic becomes les
Actually compared to Zendikar limited, this was edge-of-the-seat exciting. There was attacking and blocking! Crazy!
I would say the boringness is less about the speed though. Jund is pretty midrange, and so are most of the decks that fight it. There should be room for lots of excitement. The reason their isn't is because we fans of the game want intelligent plays: reading, bluffing, holding back, etcetera. But Magic is being made for the casual "my brain hurts" crowd now. I'm not even sure they exist, or are as dumb as Forsythe seems to think they are. But that's who current sets are designed for.
So Constructed skill gets compressed into A) pick the right deck, B) play the right mana on the first 3 turns, C) topdeck well. B is really where all the player skill comes in. With taplands and multicolor decks it really is non-trivial and requires thinking a turn ahead. But it's hardly fun to watch.
As a result, the finals become: Player A) "I topdeck Ranger. I'm winning!" Player B) "I draw Bloodbraid and cascade into removal. I'm winning!" Player A) "Oh look, I drew Baneslayer Angel. I'm winning!" Announcer with no sense of irony) Wow, what a great player!
(And again I'm not taking away from the players, it's just that the skill is compressed into small, less-visible areas.)
Compare this to the Extended face-off we saw in the team finals. (Which is the first I saw today, having slept in a tad.) All-in Red vs Counters. On the surface you'd think one smashes face first-turn and the other is "boring counterspells". Instead, it was an intelligent back-and-forth of which cards must you stop, how many counters does he have, can you play around them, etc. The control player must decide what spells are and aren't worth countering. He also must establish a clock of his own because he can't stall forever. The aggro player chooses between speed that's blown out by a Mana Tithe, and having extra mana but giving an extra turn. And must hold back enough to mount another offense if the first one is stopped.
In short, is Magic a thinking-person's game or not? I know what I'd rather watch. There's a reason nobody wants to watch Chutes & Ladders tournaments.
Actually compared to Zendikar limited, this was edge-of-the-seat exciting. There was attacking and blocking! Crazy!I would say the boringness is less about the speed though. Jund is pretty midrange, and so are most of the decks that fight it.
Why isnt the webcast uploaded? Or is it and I have just missed it? (I am on purpose trying to avoid see any information of the results, so I have not done the best of scans.)
Why isnt the webcast uploaded? Or is it and I have just missed it? (I am on purpose trying to avoid see any information of the results, so I have not done the best of scans.)
Usually the webcast takes them a little bit to get uploaded. They have to package it all up in video files, etc.
I don't remember the time frame, but I'm sure it will be up soon.
Gerdef
Usually the webcast takes them a little bit to get uploaded. They have to package it all up in video files, etc.I don't remember the time frame, but I'm sure it will be up soon.Gerdef
By the way, Gindy's situation was apparently that the wolf shouldn't have died anyway, which is why his opponent didn't do anything, but Gindy didn't exactly understand or something. So he still thought his wolf should've died, but intentionally didn't let his opponent know.
You have a very weird definition of "soon" just so you guys know. Most people wouldnt write down "I will be back soon" and then still not shown up 12-13 hours later.
Semifinals (coming soon due to technical error)You have a very weird definition of "soon" just so you guys know. Most people wouldnt write down "I will be back soon" and then still not shown up 12-13 hours later.
When I woke up yesterday it was just in time for the finals. Even knowing the ending it would be nice to see the semis. Hopefully they provide a more interesting pair of matchups. If they have to re-encode the footage that could explain the delay.
When I woke up yesterday it was just in time for the finals. Even knowing the ending it would be nice to see the semis. Hopefully they provide a more interesting pair of matchups. If they have to re-encode the footage that could explain the delay.
By the way, Gindy's situation was apparently that the wolf shouldn't have died anyway, which is why his opponent didn't do anything, but Gindy didn't exactly understand or something. So he still thought his wolf should've died, but intentionally didn't let his opponent know.
Please explain?
I still think my write-up on the first page of the thread explained it well.
But the best write-up of the details seems to be this one on Channel Fireball. They also have two more follow-up articles about the incident, on opposite sides of the ruling, but like the bottom half of this article they are more about opinion and rules enforcement procedure than about the facts of the event itself.
Please explain?I still think my write-up on the first page of the thread explained it well. But the best write-up of the details seems to be on Channel Fireball. They also have two more follow-up articles about the incident, on opposite sides of
I don't know, I can't shake the feeling that this may have been an overreaction. I am not a game rules expert or a tournament expert, but I understand the game state to be the responsibility of both players. No account is clear as to whether or not Gindy's opponent actually did assign the two damage back to the only legal target, the 3/3 that would not die as a result. If he did that, there should be no issue at all even after the question "why didn't you kill a smaller wolf?" I could see the DQ if it was understood that the 3/3 received no damage at all that turn, but this seems to be an incomplete recounting. There has got to be more to the story than this. Am I off here?
I don't know, I can't shake the feeling that this may have been an overreaction. I am not a game rules expert or a tournament expert, but I understand the game state to be the responsibility of both players. No account is clear as to whether or not G
My hang-up is this: The entire punishment is predicated on Gindy knowing something but not saying it. But the whole situation demonstrates that he _didn't_ know, because he was confused. So in order to hand down this ruling, Sheldon had to determine a very precise level of understanding in a cloud of misunderstanding. No judge is a mind reader.
In order to justify this, Gindy would have to say "Even though I didn't know the card said 'untapped' I knew completely that it was a 'must' ability AND I knew he didn't target my 3/3 BUT I chose not to say anything." Anything short of that and you've punished him for an innocent mistake (at worst). And that confession is so specific that I'm incredulous it could have happened.
I'm sure we'll be hearing about it all week.My hang-up is this: The entire punishment is predicated on Gindy knowing something but not saying it. But the whole situation demonstrates that he _didn't_ know, because he was confused. So in order
This is a little late now, but as I'm sitting here watching the semifinals I would like to say that I really appreciate the effort made to let us know what's in the players' hands. Between the camera angles and Randy's play-by-play, I always knew what was going on and it dramatically improves the viewing experience.
This is a little late now, but as I'm sitting here watching the semifinals I would like to say that I really appreciate the effort made to let us know what's in the players' hands. Between the camera angles and Randy's play-by-play, I always knew w
It's unfortunate they no longer post all the standard decklists being played. I would like to know what some of the decks that didn't finish above 5-1 look like, such as the 4c control decks, both the blue and non-blue version.
It's unfortunate they no longer post all the standard decklists being played. I would like to know what some of the decks that didn't finish above 5-1 look like, such as the 4c control decks, both the blue and non-blue version.
This is a little late now, but as I'm sitting here watching the semifinals I would like to say that I really appreciate the effort made to let us know what's in the players' hands. Between the camera angles and Randy's play-by-play, I always knew what was going on and it dramatically improves the viewing experience.
I have heard Randy is retiring from calling the games, and while I don't blame him I am a little saddened. I mean really....who else is going to be so honestly enthusiastic to say "Lightning Helix! Oh my god! OH MY GOD!!!"
I think he and BDM have a great rapport, and, geek that I am, I even emailed them about it a couple of years ago.
I have heard Randy is retiring from calling the games, and while I don't blame him I am a little saddened. I mean really....who else is going to say "Lightning Helix! Oh my god! OH MY GOD!!!"
Rich Hagon's taking over. He'll do a great job, but yeah Randy had a unique tone that will be missed. I actually think this was his best year, despite (or perhaps because of?) not being a WotC employee.
It's unfortunate they no longer post all the standard decklists being played. I would like to know what some of the decks that didn't finish above 5-1 look like, such as the 4c control decks, both the blue and non-blue version.
I bet they will, it just takes more time.
Rich Hagon's taking over. He'll do a great job, but yeah Randy had a unique tone that will be missed. I actually think this was his best year, despite (or perhaps because of?) not being a WotC employee.I bet they will, it just takes more time.
As long as Hagon cuts back on the self-deprication that marred his last broadcast, I agree that he should do a great job. He does have a knack for the play-by-play already from what I have heard.
As long as Hagon cuts back on the self-deprication that marred his last broadcast, I agree that he should do a great job. He does have a knack for the play-by-play already from what I have heard.
The country of the austrian players are wrong. It should be AUT not AUS.
Benedikt Klauser (AUT) vs. Wu Tong (CHI)
Bernhard Lehner (AUT) vs. Zhiyang Zhang (CHI)
Benjamin Rozhon (AUT) vs. Bo Li (CHI)
-------------------------- : Seas the Day Benedikt Klauser (AUS) vs. Wu Tong (CHI)by Dave Guskin : Extending the Hand Bernhard Lehner (AUS) vs. Zhiyang Zhang (CHI)by Tim Willoughby : Fishy Business Benjamin Rozhon (AUS) vs. Bo Li (CHI)by Tom Lap
