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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 11:54AM #1
WotC_Monty
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Limited Information, which goes live Tuesday morning on magicthegathering.com.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 9:33PM #2
ChaoticVolition
Date Joined: Mar 26, 2005
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A quick look seems that a white and black deck is the easiest to go with, and the other colors don't seem to have anything that demands something to be splashed. There's even the W/B fetch to help the main color too.


I'd definitely take all three equipment main deck though.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 9:45PM #3
Millimbar
Date Joined: Dec 24, 2006
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This pool makes me sad.  I'd hope to never open anything like this.


There's not nearly enough in any color to make a controlling deck in any way, shape, or form.  We're all in on aggro.  The equipment is great, but offensive removal and good early drops are sorely lacking.  The best creature lineup to compliment the equipment sits in white and black:


2 Adventuring Gear
1 Trusty Machete


1 Guul Draz Vampire
1 Kor Duelist
2 Steppe Lynx


1 Vampire Hexmage
1 Bloodghast
1 Kor Outfitter
1 Kor Aeronaut


1 Giant Scorpion
1 Kor Sanctifiers


1 Heartstabber Mosquito
1 Nimana Sell-Sword
1 Kor Cartographer
2 Crypt Ripper


1 Felidar Sovereign


1 Marsh Casualties
1 Disfigure
1 Pitfall Trap


1 Marsh Flats
9 Swamp
8 Plains


This is sorted by mana cost for clarity.  Nimana Sell-Sword and Bala Ged Thief are both fine cards, but as you can see from here, the 4 slot is quite overwhelmed.  The evasion of the mosquito, the pumpable shades, and the landfall enhancing cartographer all get the nod over the second Sell-Sword.


 

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 10:06PM #4
dlthe
Date Joined: Jan 6, 2009
Posts: 4,295

wow.
I think the cards lend themselves very nicely to a white/black aggro deck. We are slightly short on bomb power but the low end of the curve is incredible.


My main dilemma is whether or not to include the green. THe harrow and expedition are absolutely terrific in a list featuring two adventuring gear and two steppe lynxes.
Given how many cards require BB and WW, and because I want this to be an aggressive deck, I have decided to limit it to two colors. However, I would have the green in the back of my mind as a sideboarding option against more controlling decks.


Creatures (15)
2 Steppe Lynx
1 Kor Duelist
1 Guul Draz Vampire
1 Kor Outfitter
1 Kor Aeronaut
1 Bloodghast
1 Vampire Hexmage
1 Kor Sanctifiers
1 Nimana Sell-Sword
2 Crypt Ripper
1 Kor Cartographer
1 Heartstabber Mosquito
1 Felidar Sovereign


Spells (7)
2 Adventuring Gear
1 Trusty Machete
1 Soul Stair Expedition
1 Disfigure
1 Marsh Casulaties
1 Pitfall Trap



Land (18)
1 Marsh Flats
8 plains
9 swamp

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 10:13PM #5
dlthe
Date Joined: Jan 6, 2009
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Oct 26, 2009 -- 9:45PM, Millimbar wrote:


This pool makes me sad.  I'd hope to never open anything like this.


There's not nearly enough in any color to make a controlling deck in any way, shape, or form.  We're all in on aggro.  The equipment is great, but offensive removal and good early drops are sorely lacking.  The best creature lineup to compliment the equipment sits in white and black:





I find it interesting that you and I build almost identical decks (1 difference - you included the scorpion, while I included soul stair expedition) - and I think it's a very nice aggressive deck, while you're unhappy with how it looks.
My experience from the prerelease was that Zen sealed tends to be quite slow and a deck with as many aggressive drops as this stands to do quite well.
Of course the difficulty will be pushing through for those last few points of damage once the board started getting cluttered... hence soul stair expedition (which will help maintain board position as you "attack with all" for the win). Crypt ripper certainly packs enough punch to force through a few extra points of damage, and guul draz vampire is a terrific finisher against non-black opponents.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 10:29PM #6
Sir_Bruce
Date Joined: Sep 14, 2009
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BR aggro decks are very good in Zendikar, and they're also probably the easiest to build.  However, if you don't have some of the best cards (Plated Geopede, Vampire Nighthawk, Ob Nixils) included, it's probably not going to win out.


The sealed listed is a good attempt at making many different type of decks possible, but it's lacking some key removal, and there's not enough support in other colors.  So I think the best deck is something along these lines:


Bala Ged Thief
Bloodghast
Bog Tatters
Crypt Ripper
Disfigure
Giant Scorpion
Grim Discovery
Guul Draz Vampire
Heartstabber Mosquito
Marsh Casualties
Nimana Sell-Sword
Vampire Hexmage
Goblin War Paint
Highland Berserker
Punishing Fire
Ruinous Minotaur
Zektar Shrine Expedition
Adventuring Gear
Trusty Machete


Akoum Refuge
10 Swamps
6 Mountains


Maybe 9 Swamps 7 Mountains


It's tempting to include some green, but IMHO 1 Harrow is not enough, and you need dubs green for Nissa's Chosen and Vines of Vastwood, and then your whole mana support will start to fall apart.  No Khalni Gem in this pool, so stick to the BR aggro.


 

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 10:31PM #7
Sir_Bruce
Date Joined: Sep 14, 2009
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Ooops, I didn't see the Felidar Sovereign in white.  That makes white very strong as well.  Could easily go WR or WB in this.


 

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 10:37PM #8
STB
Date Joined: Sep 21, 2009
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I may be wrong but I only count 5 rares in this pool.


Felidar Sovereign


Bala Ged Theif


Bloodghast


Crypt of Agadeem


and Marsh Flats.


Also there are 2 listings for Kracken Hatchling.


Please let me know if I missed a rare.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 10:37PM #9
Ranton
Date Joined: Sep 15, 2009
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I have to agree that this deck seams quite bad.  It is probably going to be quite fast, but it doesnt have enough combat tricks/removal to stay aggressive once larger creatures start dropping on the other side.  All I noticed is 1 Disfigure (Marsh Casualties is sorcery & pitfall only hits attackers).  There is very little evasion also which makes it even weaker.


Give this deck a little more removal spells and flying creatures and it has something going for it.  This deck will do well against alot of decks, but probably not the kind that have already went 3-0.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2009 - 10:40PM #10
CHAOSBLACKDOOM
Date Joined: Jul 29, 2006
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2 Nimana Sell-Sword
1 Soul Stair Expedition
1 Vampire Hexmage
2 Adventuring Gear
1 Trusty Machete
1 Felidar Sovereign
1 Kor Cartographer
1 Kor Outfitter
1 Kor Sanctifiers
1 Makindi Shieldmate
1 Pitfall Trap
2 Steppe Lynx
2 Paralyzing Grasp
1 Expedition Map
1 Disfigure
1 Bala Ged Thief
1 Marsh Casualties
1 Heartstabber Mosquito
1 Crypt Ripper
1 Jwar Isle Refuge
1 Marsh Flats
1 Island
8 Swamp
6 Plains


 


it's a little out of order, but personally I love the ally theme and paralyzing grasp is insane against opposing bombs which are sure to come up.  Mana might need a little work, but this is what I've got.  Feedback would be nice because I want to goto GP-Minneapolis!

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