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5 months ago  ::  Dec 27, 2012 - 9:27PM #1661
malpheas
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2006
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I need more, too.  It's hands down one of the most busted cards ever printed.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 28, 2012 - 12:08AM #1662
ir0nwood
Date Joined: Oct 5, 2007
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Dec 27, 2012 -- 9:27PM, malpheas wrote:

I need more, too.  It's hands down one of the most busted cards ever printed.


I think YawgWin is one of the driving reasons that I have more black/x decks than any other two colors combined...

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 9:34AM #1663
Tremor88
Date Joined: Feb 11, 2007
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yeah yawgwin definitely needs recognition
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 25, 2013 - 2:52PM #1664
teamfireyleader
Date Joined: Nov 12, 2007
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So, once again a new set is coming out and the staples list needs a look at again.


I'm not sure how alive this thread is anymore, so we'll see how it goes down.


Aetherize : This is a card that may not be massive, but will probably get played situationally in certain metas. In such metas it will be a very powerful card that will turn games around. Blue needs all the board wipes it can get, even if they are situational. However, due to the situational nature of the card I would consider this card as not worthy of the status of really good. Decent, but not that good.


Assemble the Legion : This card is probably too slow to have a major impact in EDh games. However, I have seen similar cards used to high impact, so there is probably a deck for it. Not a good or really good card.


Aurelia, the Warleader : Very powerful in her colours and probably the best RW general. Multiple attack steps are always nice, and if you have some kind of imeadiate blink repeatedly it goes infinite. She is powerful enough in her colours to be really good.


Biomass Mutation : Game ending x spell in UG. I would consider this as really good, given how powerful Mirror Entity is. Green likes having at least one card of this type.


Biovisionary : Combos with Rite of Replication . Not a good card, but decent in combo. Decent.


Clan Defiance : It's not comet storm. It's good, but it isn't comet storm. I think that's the best summary.


Consuming Aberration : Heh, this is a Lord of Extinction that grows itself and has an alternate wincon. Downside: it helps your opponents as well. I'm not sure how good this is. It could be amazing, or it could be really meh.


Crypt Ghast : Auto staple in mono-black. Flat out auto-staple. In two and three colours it is still decent, especially with urborg.


Domri Rade : Slow, doesn't quite combo with doubling season as well as I'd want him to, but can win the game the same way akroma's memorial can. However, with memorial you often have a surprise factor. This is decent.


Enter the Infinite : Should win a blue deck the game on the spot. However, blue should be able to do without this, generally without the massive risk factor. Good, not quite there though. Awesome card though. I expect many blowouts to this.


Foundry Champion : Given the blowouts that have happened in my meta due to Rakdos Charm, I would not be surprised if this sees play. However, it is a little winmore. Will almost certainly be around, so watch for it.


Giant Adephage : Heh, Timmy likes. Not competitive, but can run out of control easily, which will then win the game. It won't see play in any of my decks, but only due to the prevelance of board wipes. Meta dependant. Big green and stompy decks will like it.


Gideon, Champion of Justice : I've seen a couple of people going "really good in EDH" online, which I think is horribly wrong. This card isn't particularly good in EDH. I don't like him and can't think of anything I'd cut in any deck to put him in. He just seems a little unfun.


Glaring Spotlight : Now this, this needs to be considered in detail. It shuts down quite a lot of bad things in metas, and is quite good hate. It is hittable with Trinket Mage (always a large plus), and can either give protection or game winning swings. It can also end stalemates like a boss. All in all, I really like this card. Really good at least.


Hellkite Tyrant : This is an amusing card, and everyone realised the combo with Mycosynth Lattice the moment they read the card. The only problem is, is that this will prevent it from being used in a more useful way; stealing mana rocks would have never been easier. I like this card. Not sure if it is quite really good, but it always needs to be answered. Similar to Lighthouse Chronologist in useage, methinks. Kill or die.


High Priest of Penance : There will be indestructibility shenanigans with this card. Someone will do it, and your job will be to disable it (unless you are the one doing it, like I intend to be). Not quite really good, but definitely really annoying.


Illusionist's Bracers : It's like Rings. It's very like Rings. And just like Rings it doesn't quite make the really good slot in my opinion. It will combo well, somewhere.


Immortal Servitude : I like this card, so I'm disappointed that I think it won't be good in basically any EDH deck. I can see a case for x = 2 or 3 in some decks heavy in utility creatures, but usually a single target reanimation is going to be more useful. However, I'm ready to be proved wrong on this one.


Lazav, Dimir Mastermind : Unfortuneatly, he's competing with some tough customers in UB, including Oona and Dralnu. Fortuneatly he's one of the best clones UB has IMO, and so he should see lots of play. I expect him to be really good.


Lord of the Void : Big, stompy, fun. Not good, but fun. Will see play.


Luminate Primordial : Swords to plowshares on a decent body? Swords to plowshares on a decent body?! SWORDS TO PLOWSHARES ON A DECENT BODY WITH ETB EFFECT?!?!?!? Okay, so not quite that exiting, but I think it straddles the boundary between really good and staple in less competitive white decks. That level of removal is insane in late games, and it is in one of the two good blink colours.


Master Biomancer : I really don't know how to evaluate this card. It will see play, but is it decent, good, really good or staple in its colours? I'm really not sure here. Time will tell.


Merciless Eviction : Final Judgment is nothing to this. Truly insane.


Mind Grind : I know it's mill, but wow IT IS MILL. Seriously, this puts a metric ton of cardboard into the graveyard. It shouldn't be considered for this list, but it will see play in dedicated mill decks. It will ENABLE dedicated mill decks. It... just wow.


Molten Primordial : Seems like a very decent creature for red. A 6/4 haster that nets you creatures equal to the number of opponents to hasty swing with. Act of treason for each opponent. Yep. Good card. Certainly a staple for later game mono red decks.


Nightveil Specter : I'm not qutie sure how this one will play. If you are in a blue dominated meta then this will be quite strong, most likely. Especially for only 3 mana.


Prime Speaker Zegana : I'm not quite sure I like her. She's probably very powerful, simply for the card draw... it just feels a tad winmore. I expect that she'll make a very overcommitting general. Good.


Rapid Hybridization : See all opinions for Pongify ; good for monoblue.


Realmwright : Strong mana fixing in a colour that normally doesn't have it. Decent.


Sepulchral Primordial : This card... black likes... everyone likes. This... just... what? Really good at least.


Signal the Clans : Decently cheap tutor, especially if you have semi-redundant creatures. RG likes a lot. Probably really good.


Stolen Identity : When I first saw this card I thought it was a bit meh. Now that I'm looking at it again I'm not so sure. Possibly one of the only good cipher cards for EDH. Maybe good. Somone else evaluate it.


Sylvan Primordial : What is it with these primordials? They're all amazing in EDH. Really good, especially with Prime Time missing.


Thespian's Stage : Staple or Really good. This card is a debateably better Vesuva, and Vesuva is in most decks that can afford it.


Treasury Thrull : Good recursion and extort, while mostly irrelevant is a nice addition. The only problem is that it is on attack, rather than ETB, but hey, not all our goodies should be ETB effects.


Undercity Informer : Yet again, mill. Thanks to large mana pools and many token generators, this can actually kill very quickly. It can also self mill. And it's a sac outlet. Actually, this card is bonkers. Love it. Really good.


Vizkopa Guildmage : This card... I like it. If you swing with lethal and 6 mana open you've won. Blocking basically doesn't matter. You just gain enough to kill them. Double your life total? Win. Random decent life gain? Win. And it's each opponent. Our favourite card, Exsanguiate? Ouch. Dedicated lifegain in WB needs this card. NEEDS. Very strong, likely really good.


Whispering Madness : Windfall that can be repeatable. I like this card a lot, but I don't think it is actually massively good. Certainly strong though.


Zameck Guildmage : Again, a very powerful guildmage in EDH. Note that his first ability can be activated multiple time and stack. Strong, but not really good.

 Hope I caught the ones that are going to see some kind of play at least in EDH. 

My Venommaster:

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/25729341/
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 12:14PM #1665
Tremor88
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Are you new to this thread?

For one thing, it's a staples thread. For staples. Not everything that *could* see play. If your description of a card includes the words "Not a good card", or "probably get played situationally in certain metas" then why even mention it? Unless you're trying to preempt some suggestions, which I guess could make sense.

More importantly though, we always wait a set behind the current release to update this thread. That way the hype of new-ness wears off the cards and we can appraise them more accurately. With Gatecrash's release, we can now start discussing any Return to Ravnica cards that might be staples candidates.

It'll be a few months yet, after we've had a chance to play with the cards, see how they perform, and adjust our decks accordingly before we start deciding which (if any) gatecrash cards will make the cut. FYI most sets contribute 0 or 1 card to the staples list. It's VERY exclusive.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 1:12PM #1666
niheloim
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I don't think there are any staples in this set. Thespians stage is close. Vizkopa guild mage plays well with exsanguinate. The orzhov austere command is fine. The primordials are going into decks, but not likely mine (maybe green one in animar). I think the set is boring other than to give more enemy colored lands.
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

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We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 7:52PM #1667
ChazA4
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I'm inclined to disagree, niheloim.  While there might be very few, I wouldn't say there's none.  Off the cuff, Illusionist's Bracers shows just as many possibilities as Rings of Brighthearth , and oh look at that, you got 'em in your sig! lol, j/k.

Tremor88 makes a point I hadn't even been aware of, that you guys discuss cards a set behind.  It's a very valid policy to follow, though; so I guess since we're on RtR, what's been the verdict Rogue's Passage Guttersnipe Sphinx's Revelation ?  Of those four, I'm thinking Guttersnipe should be a contender, particularly given the common format of EDH(multiplayer).  Suddenly, just about everything you cast has teeth.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 8:49PM #1668
Tremor88
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Not sure if the J/K was about the fact that rings was in his sig, or about suggesting bracers as a staple....but bracers is no rings....The free-ness of the bracers doubling-effect is kinda offset by the equip cost, and then you're limited to the abilities of whatever creature it's equiped to. Rings works with everything you play...fetchlands, planeswalker abilities, etc. It's nowhere near as good as rings, and rings is right on the borderline between being 'staple-good' and just 'good'.

Of the 4 you suggested I like sphinx's revelation the most...which suprised me because my initial assessment was that it wasn't worth drawing one less card than you would with mind spring or braingeyser is exchange for the lifegain effect. Turns out, I was wrong, and I missed the fact that revelation is an instant. It's pretty sweet. Staple-sweet? ehhhh....maybe? I have my doubts: Lifegain is actually much weaker in EDH than in 20-life formats. Let's see what the voters say.

The other three I'm less sure of. Awkward mana cost for uncounterability is worth the upgrade to verdict over wrath (and worth losing regeneration prevention for), but those two cards are still pretty close and wrath isn't a staple.

Rogues passage just seems meh to me. Sure sometimes it'll break a stalemated board, but there are so many swingy spells getting played, how often do you really see a stalemated board for any length of time? And how often do you really want to pay 5 mana mainphase to sneak some damage in? I'd hope that most of the time I have better things to do with my mana. I mean, I'd play it in a voltron deck, especially if the general lacked evasion, but I think I'd rank it lower in such a deck than cathedral of war for example. At least cathedral can contribute to the gameplan while still producing (instead of costing) mana.

Guttersnipe really doesn't impress me and I've never seen it in this format. Has it been strong for you? I'm looking over my decks...19 instants/sorceries, 22 instants/sorceries, 15 instants/sorceries....And I think I tend to use more non-permanent spells than most people. If you figure I have 20 such spells in my deck, and go through half my deck in a long drawn-out game....there's potential for this guy to deal 20 to each player. That's not bad.... But that depends on me playing it right away (and before casting any of my ponder , farseek , tutor -type cards) and it staying in play the full duration of the game. Realistically, that's never going to happen....and given that "living the dream" with this card still only gets half of people's starting life total...yeah just not exciting to me in the sense of it being a staple to add into just about any deck.

Now, if you want to use it in a storm combo deck that's going to play 30+ spells in a single turn...then it's very powerful. But then again, who plays storm combo in multiplayer?
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 9:04PM #1669
niheloim
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I too didn't realize Revelation was an instant even after reading INSTANT several times... it just didn't compute. I think its better than Blue Sun in decks that run white, but both are worse than... that other one... (I forget the friggin' name) in most cases.

Rogue's passage is cute, and goes into decks that want their commander to connect... like Teneb, the Harvester .

I like the (obvious) comparison of the bracers to rings. I enjoy evaluating its value in my decks. I think bracers has better interaction with Arcanis the Omnipotent than rings, and I might get one for that deck, but the reason I have Rings in my signature is because, while Rings is a useful card that can have synergy with so many things, it isn't a staple. If you're adding a card to your deck that will perform worse than rings in said deck, it would behoove you to make sure there aren't better options or just add the rings. Illusionist bracers is more niche than rings, and if rings isn't a staple I don't see how the bracers can be. 

Guttersnipe... I don't think so at all. Maybe a cool commander for some pauper edh deck.

I should go back and look at RTR more carefully.


 
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 9:26PM #1670
niheloim
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The closest cards I see to staple are Cyclonic Rift , Vandalblast , Underworld Connections , Utvara Hellkite , Counterflux , Dreadbore , Jarad's Orders , Chromatic Lantern ...

I think I would make the arguement for The cyclonic and Vandalblast before attempting the others. I don't see any of these as better than the ones  already listed.

Cyclonic because I see it being used as a "fair" upheaval that you play on someone elses turn for your profit. 

And Vandalblast because it just punishes your opponents with a marginally harder mana cost than Shatterstorm but with the upside of a huge Shattering Spree , and can be cast for one if you need to.
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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